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Hi to all my Forum Friends,

Today, my wife unexpectedly brought me a precious gift, a new book.  She knows there is no material gift I love more than a good book -- Christian, theology, history, historical novel -- wow!  The book she brought me is a hard cover copy of Dr. Randy Acorn's book "Heaven" -- published by Tyndale House Publishers.

Immediately, I began to read.  The book is divided into sections:  Part 1: A Theology Of Heaven, Part 2: Questions And Answers About Heaven, and Part 3:  Living In The Light Of Heaven.  Chapter 4, in Part 1, "Can You Know You're Going To Heaven" -- starting on page 31, caught my attention for recently I have been having dialogues with Roman Catholic Friends and other Liberal Theology Friends on that very subject -- can we KNOW that we are going to heaven?

Another section which caught my attention is one that might answer questions and offer some comfort to Friends such as Kay Robertson and her sister, Kitty, who asked me a while back about animals in heaven.  It is titled "What About Animals?"  Beginning on page 387, chapter 39, you will find "Will Animals Inhabit The New Earth?" and, beginning on page 397 is chapter 40, "Will Animals, Including Our Pets, Live Again?"   Kay and Kitty, I pray this answers questions which I know are in your hearts.

And, as soon as I read the first few pages of this well written book, I knew this chapter "Can You Know You're Going To Heaven"  has to be the absolute best explanation I have read on salvation and how we can know that we Christians are going to heaven.  It also paints, in vivid color, the mistaken thought that we can work, or earn, our way into heaven.


CAN YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO HEAVEN?

"Heaven" -- Chapter 4, Pages 31 to 37

By Dr. Randy Alcorn

http://www.epm.org/resources/2...-youre-going-heaven/

"Soon you will read in the newspaper that I am dead.  Don’t believe it for a moment.  I will be more alive than ever before."  —  D. L. Moody

"Earth recedes. . . . Heaven opens before me!"  —  D. L. Moody (on his deathbed)

Ancient cities kept rolls of their citizens.  Guards were posted at the city gates to keep out criminals and enemies by checking their names against the list. This is the context for Revelation 21:27: “Nothing impure will ever enter [the city], nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.”

Ruthanna Metzgar, a professional singer, tells a story that illustrates the importance of having our names written in the book.  Several years ago, she was asked to sing at the wedding of a very wealthy man.  According to the invitation, the reception would be held on the top two floors of Seattle’s Columbia Tower, the Northwest’s tallest skyscraper.  She and her husband, Roy, were excited about attending.

At the reception, waiters in tuxedos offered luscious hors d’oeuvres and exotic beverages.  The bride and groom approached a beautiful glass and brass staircase that led to the top floor.  Someone ceremoniously cut a satin ribbon draped across the bottom of the stairs.  They announced the wedding feast was about to begin.  Bride and groom ascended the stairs, followed by their guests.

At the top of the stairs, a maitre d’ with a bound book greeted the guests outside the doors.  “May I have your name please?”

“I am Ruthanna Metzgar and this is my husband, Roy.”

He searched the M’s.  “I’m not finding it.  Would you spell it please?”

Ruthanna spelled her name slowly.  After searching the book, the maitre d’ looked up and said, “I’m sorry, but your name isn’t here.”

“There must be some mistake,” Ruthanna replied.  “I’m the singer.  I sang for this wedding!”

The gentleman answered, “It doesn’t matter who you are, or what you did.  Without your name in the book you cannot attend the banquet.”

He motioned to a waiter and said, “Show these people to the service elevator, please.”

The Metzgars followed the waiter past beautifully decorated tables laden with shrimp, whole smoked salmon, and magnificent carved ice sculptures.  Adjacent to the banquet area, an orchestra was preparing to perform, the musicians all dressed in dazzling white tuxedos.

The waiter led Ruthanna and Roy to the service elevator, ushered them in, and pushed G for the parking garage.

After locating their car and driving several miles in silence, Roy reached over and put his hand on Ruthanna’s arm.  “Sweetheart, what happened?”

“When the invitation arrived, I was busy,” Ruthanna replied. “I never bothered to RSVP.  Besides, I was the singer.  Surely I could go to the reception without returning the RSVP!”

Ruthanna started to weep -- not only because she had missed the most lavish banquet she’d ever been invited to, but also because she suddenly had a small taste of what it will be like someday for people as they stand before Christ and find their names are not written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

Throughout the ages, countless people have been too busy to respond to Christ’s invitation to his wedding banquet.  Many assume that the good they’ve done -- perhaps attending church, being baptized, singing in the choir, or helping in a soup kitchen -- will be enough to gain entry to Heaven. 

 

But people who do not respond to Christ’s invitation to forgive their sins, are people whose names aren’t written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.  To be denied entrance to Heaven’s wedding banquet will not just mean going down the service elevator to the garage.  It will mean being cast outside into Hell, forever.

In that day, no explanation or excuse will count.  All that will matter is whether our names are written in the book.  If they’re not, we’ll be turned away.

Have you said yes to Christ’s invitation to join Him at the wedding feast and spend eternity with Him in His house?  If so, you have reason to rejoice -- Heaven’s gates will be open to you.

If you have been putting off your response, your RSVP, or if you presume that you can enter Heaven without responding to Christ’s invitation, one day you will deeply regret it.

Preparing for the Journey

An Indiana cemetery has a tombstone, more than one hundred years old, with the following epitaph:


Pause, stranger, when you pass me by:

As you are now, so once was I.

As I am now, so you will be.

So prepare for death and follow me.


An unknown passerby scratched these additional words on the tombstone:


To follow you I’m not content,

Until I know which way you went.

 

Can we really know in advance where we’re going when we die?  The apostle John, the same one who wrote about the New Heaven and New Earth, said in one of his letters, “I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life” (1 John 5:13, emphasis added).  We can know for sure that we have eternal life.  We can know for sure that we will go to Heaven when we die.  Do you?

People who want to get to Florida don’t simply get in the car and start driving, hoping the road will somehow get them there.  Instead, they look at a map and chart their course.  They do this in advance, rather than waiting until they arrive at the wrong destination or discover they’ve spent three days driving the wrong direction.  If you want to get somewhere, guesswork is a poor strategy.

The goal of getting to Heaven is worthy of greater advanced planning than we would give to any other journey -- yet some people spend far more time preparing for a trip to Disney World.  Many books on Heaven seem to assume every reader is Heaven-bound.  The Bible says otherwise.  I owe it to all my readers to share with them God’s map to Heaven and offer them His Good News.

What You Need to Know and Do

To sin is to fall short of God’s holy standards.  Sin is what ended Eden’s Paradise.  And all of us, like Adam and Eve, are sinners.  You are a sinner.  That’s the first thing you need to know.

Sin deceives us and makes us think that wrong is right and right is wrong (Proverbs 14:12).

Sin has consequences, but God has provided a solution for our sin: “The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23).  Jesus Christ, the Son of God, loves us so much that He became a man to deliver us from our sin (John 3:16).  He came to identify with us in our humanity and our weakness, but He did so without being tainted by our sin, self-deception, and moral failings (Hebrews 2:17-18; 4:15-16).

We’re told that “God made Him [Christ] who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21).  This means that even though we are under God’s wrath for our sins, Jesus died on the cross as our representative, our substitute. God then poured out His wrath on Christ, instead of on us.  Christ, who stood in our place, conveyed His righteousness to us so that we are declared innocent of all our sins and declared righteous, so we may enter the very presence of God in Heaven and be at home with Him there.

No other prophet or religious figure -- only Jesus, the Son of God -- is worthy to pay the penalty for our sins demanded by God’s holiness (Revelation 5:4-5, 9-10).  Only when our sins are dealt with in Christ can we enter Heaven.  We cannot pay our own way“Salvation is found in no one else [but Jesus], for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).

Being himself God and therefore all-powerful, Jesus Christ rose from the grave, defeating sin and conquering death (1 Corinthians 15:3-4, 54-57).  When Christ died on the cross for us, He said, “It is finished” (John 19:30).  The Greek word translated “it is finished” was commonly written across certificates of debt when they were canceled.  It meant “paid in full.”  Christ died so that the certificate of debt, consisting of all our sins, could once and for all be marked “paid in full.”

Because of Jesus Christ’s sacrificial death on the cross on our behalf, God freely offers us forgiveness.  “He does not treat us as our sins deserve or repay us according to our iniquities. . . . As far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us”  (Psalm 103:10-12).

Forgiveness is not automatic.  If we want to be forgiven, we must recognize and repent of our sins: “He who conceals his sins does not prosper, but whoever confesses and renounces them finds mercy” (Proverbs 28:13).  Forgiveness is established by our confession: “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9).

Christ offers to everyone the gift of forgiveness, salvation, and eternal life: “Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life” (Revelation 22:17).

There’s no righteous deed we can do that will earn us a place in Heaven (Titus 3:5).  We come to Christ empty-handed.  We can take no credit for salvation: “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith -- and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God -- not by works, so that no one can boast” (Ephesians 2:8-9).

This gift cannot be worked for, earned, or achieved in any sense.  It’s not dependent on our merit or effort, but solely on Christ’s generous and sufficient sacrifice on our behalf.

Ultimately, God’s greatest gift is Himself.  We don’t just need salvation, we need Jesus the Savior.  It is the person, God, who graciously gives us the place, Heaven.

Joining the Body of Christ: the Church

You may think that you don’t deserve forgiveness after all you’ve doneThat’s exactly right.  No one deserves forgiveness.  If we deserved it, we wouldn’t need it.  That’s the point of grace.  On the cross, Jesus experienced the Hell we deserve, so that for eternity we can experience the Heaven we don’t deserve.

Once forgiven, we can look forward to spending eternity in Heaven with Christ and our spiritual family (John 14:1-3; Revelation 20:11-22:6).  We need never fear that God will find a skeleton in our closet and say, “If I’d known you did that, I wouldn’t have let you into Heaven.”

Every sin is covered under the blood of Christ.  Moreover, God is all-knowing.  He has seen us at our worst and still loves us.  No sin is bigger than the Savior.  If God wasn’t willing to forgive sin on the basis of Christ’s sacrifice, Heaven would be empty.

Jesus said, “Watch out that no one deceives you” (Matthew 24:4).  There are countless groups, religious and secular, that will assure you Heaven is your automatic destination or that it can be attained by your hard work and abstention from certain sins.  This is false -- there is no salvation except by Jesus and his redemptive work.

False teachers can be attractive and persuasive, often quoting the Bible out of context.  But they should be rejected because they contradict God’s Word (Acts 17:11).  False doctrine is one reason the Christian life should not and cannot be lived in isolation.  We must become part of a family of Christians called a church, where God’s Word is believed and taught.

You may feel self-conscious around other Christians because of your past.  You shouldn’t.  A Christ-centered church is not a showcase for saints, but a hospital for sinners.  The people you’re joining are human, imperfect, and needy.  Most church people aren’t self-righteous.  Those who are should be pitied, because they don’t understand God’s grace.

A good church will teach God’s Word and provide love, help, and support.  If you have further questions about Jesus and about Heaven, you can find answers there.  (If you’re looking for such a church in your area but can’t find one, use the address at the end of this book to contact our organization, and we’ll gladly help you.)

To those who presumed they would go to Heaven because they were religious, Jesus said, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of Heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.  Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’  Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you.  Away from me, you evildoers!’” (Matthew 7:21-23).  Those who assume their religious activities alone will get them to Heaven have a terrible surprise ahead.

Do not merely assume that you are a Christian and are going to Heaven.  Make the conscious decision to accept Christ’s sacrificial death on your behalf.  When you choose to accept Christ and surrender control of your life to him, you can be certain that your name is written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

Water for the Thirsty

After showing us the New Heaven and New Earth, Jesus says near the end of the Bible, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.  To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life” (Revelation 21:6).

But then Jesus adds these sobering words: “He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be My son.  But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars -- their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur” (Revelation 21:7-8).

For those who know Christ, their place is Heaven.  For those who do not know Christ, their place is Hell.  Jesus said, “I am the Way and the Truth and the Life.  No one comes to the Father except through Me” (John 14:6).  There is no middle ground.  Either you are a follower of Jesus or you are not.  Christ said, “He who is not with Me is against Me” (Luke 11:23).

The Bible ends with yet one more invitation, suggesting that God wants to give every reader one last chance: “The Spirit and the bride say, ‘Come!’  And let him who hears say, ‘Come!’  Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life” (Revelation 22:17).

It is Jesus -- and Heaven -- we thirst for.  Jesus and Heaven are offered to us at no cost, because He already paid the price for us.

God invites you to come.  The church invites you to come.  As a follower of Jesus, I invite you to come.

Why would you not come?  What reason could be good enough to turn away from Jesus and from eternal life in the New Heaven and New Earth?

In the words of C. S. Lewis, “All your life an unattainable ecstasy has hovered just beyond the grasp of your consciousness.  The day is coming when you will wake to find, beyond all hope, that you have attained it, or else, that it was within your reach and you have lost it forever.”

You are made for a person and a place.  Jesus is the person.  Heaven is the place.  They are a package -- you cannot get Heaven without Jesus or Jesus without Heaven.  We will explore Heaven’s joys and wonders throughout this book.  But we dare not presume we can enter Heaven apart from Christ.

“Seek the Lord while He may be found; call on Him while He is near” (Isaiah 55:6).  Have you confessed your sins? -- asked Christ to forgive you? -- placed your trust in Christ’s death and resurrection on your behalf? -- asked Jesus to be your Lord and empower you to follow Him?

Wouldn’t it be tragic to read about the wonders of Heaven, and not end up going there?


Bold, underline, and italic emphasis in the book excerpt above is mine.

 

My Friend, have you sent responded to Jesus Christ's Wedding invitation yet?  Did you RSVP yet?   If not, there is no better time than now, this moment, to take care of this vital bit of eternal business.  Yes, it is as simple as a short prayer, if you are sincere in that prayer.   There are no magic in the words of the Salvation Prayer, often called the Sinner's Prayer. 

 

The "magic" or supernatural aspect of it is what God does in your heart at the moment you sincerely seek Him through such a prayer.  It does not have to be these exact words; but, instead, the words which come from your repentant heart.  This prayer I give here is merely a guideline.


"Lord God, I confess that I am a lost sinner and that I need Your mercy and Your forgiveness.  I do not deserve Your forgiveness; but I depend upon Your mercy and Your grace to set me free from the shackles of sin. 


I confess that Jesus Christ died on the cross to purchase my forgiveness, that He resurrected from the grave to assure my resurrection, and that He ascended into heaven, sat down at Your right hand, where He is continually interceding for me and for all believers. 


Lord Jesus, come into my heart, into my life, and be my personal Lord and Savior from this moment forward.  I want to live my life for You.  I ask this in Your holy name, Amen."

 

If you have sincerely prayed this prayer, or a similar prayer in your own words, you are my Christian brother or sister and I look forward to meeting you one day in heaven.  Welcome to the Family of God.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

 

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi to all my Forum Friends,

Today, my wife unexpectedly brought me a precious gift, a new book.  She knows there is no material gift I love more than a good book -- Christian, theology, history, historical novel -- wow!  The book she brought me is a hard cover copy of Dr. Randy Acorn's book "Heaven" -- published by Tyndale House Publishers.

Immediately, I began to read.  The book is divided into sections:  Part 1: A Theology Of Heaven, Part 2: Questions And Answers About Heaven, and Part 3:  Living In The Light Of Heaven.  Chapter 4, in Part 1, "Can You Know You're Going To Heaven" -- starting on page 31, caught my attention for recently I have been having dialogues with Roman Catholic Friends and other Liberal Theology Friends on that very subject -- can we KNOW that we are going to heaven?

Another section which caught my attention is one that might answer questions and offer some comfort to Friends such as Kay Robertson and her sister, Kitty, who asked me a while back about animals in heaven.  It is titled "What About Animals?"  Beginning on page 387, chapter 39, you will find "Will Animals Inhabit The New Earth?" and, beginning on page 397 is chapter 40, "Will Animals, Including Our Pets, Live Again?"   Kay and Kitty, I pray this answers questions which I know are in your hearts.

And, as soon as I read the first few pages of this well written book, I knew this chapter "Can You Know You're Going To Heaven"  has to be the absolute best explanation I have read on salvation and how we can know that we Christians are going to heaven.  It also paints, in vivid color, the mistaken thought that we can work, or earn, our way into heaven.


CAN YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO HEAVEN?

"Heaven" -- Chapter 4, Pages 31 to 37

By Dr. Randy Alcorn

http://www.epm.org/resources/2...-youre-going-heaven/

"Soon you will read in the newspaper that I am dead.  Don’t believe it for a moment.  I will be more alive than ever before."  —  D. L. Moody

"Earth recedes. . . . Heaven opens before me!"  —  D. L. Moody (on his deathbed)

Ancient cities kept rolls of their citizens.  Guards were posted at the city gates to keep out criminals and enemies by checking their names against the list. This is the context for Revelation 21:27: “Nothing impure will ever enter [the city], nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.”

Ruthanna Metzgar, a professional singer, tells a story that illustrates the importance of having our names written in the book.  Several years ago, she was asked to sing at the wedding of a very wealthy man.  According to the invitation, the reception would be held on the top two floors of Seattle’s Columbia Tower, the Northwest’s tallest skyscraper.  She and her husband, Roy, were excited about attending.

At the reception, waiters in tuxedos offered luscious hors d’oeuvres and exotic beverages.  The bride and groom approached a beautiful glass and brass staircase that led to the top floor.  Someone ceremoniously cut a satin ribbon draped across the bottom of the stairs.  They announced the wedding feast was about to begin.  Bride and groom ascended the stairs, followed by their guests.

At the top of the stairs, a maitre d’ with a bound book greeted the guests outside the doors.  “May I have your name please?”

“I am Ruthanna Metzgar and this is my husband, Roy.”

He searched the M’s.  “I’m not finding it.  Would you spell it please?”

Ruthanna spelled her name slowly.  After searching the book, the maitre d’ looked up and said, “I’m sorry, but your name isn’t here.”

“There must be some mistake,” Ruthanna replied.  “I’m the singer.  I sang for this wedding!”

The gentleman answered, “It doesn’t matter who you are, or what you did.  Without your name in the book you cannot attend the banquet.”

He motioned to a waiter and said, “Show these people to the service elevator, please.”

The Metzgars followed the waiter past beautifully decorated tables laden with shrimp, whole smoked salmon, and magnificent carved ice sculptures.  Adjacent to the banquet area, an orchestra was preparing to perform, the musicians all dressed in dazzling white tuxedos.

The waiter led Ruthanna and Roy to the service elevator, ushered them in, and pushed G for the parking garage.

After locating their car and driving several miles in silence, Roy reached over and put his hand on Ruthanna’s arm.  “Sweetheart, what happened?”

“When the invitation arrived, I was busy,” Ruthanna replied. “I never bothered to RSVP.  Besides, I was the singer.  Surely I could go to the reception without returning the RSVP!”

Ruthanna started to weep -- not only because she had missed the most lavish banquet she’d ever been invited to, but also because she suddenly had a small taste of what it will be like someday for people as they stand before Christ and find their names are not written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

Throughout the ages, countless people have been too busy to respond to Christ’s invitation to his wedding banquet.  Many assume that the good they’ve done -- perhaps attending church, being baptized, singing in the choir, or helping in a soup kitchen -- will be enough to gain entry to Heaven. 

 

But people who do not respond to Christ’s invitation to forgive their sins, are people whose names aren’t written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.  To be denied entrance to Heaven’s wedding banquet will not just mean going down the service elevator to the garage.  It will mean being cast outside into Hell, forever.

In that day, no explanation or excuse will count.  All that will matter is whether our names are written in the book.  If they’re not, we’ll be turned away.

Have you said yes to Christ’s invitation to join Him at the wedding feast and spend eternity with Him in His house?  If so, you have reason to rejoice -- Heaven’s gates will be open to you.

If you have been putting off your response, your RSVP, or if you presume that you can enter Heaven without responding to Christ’s invitation, one day you will deeply regret it.

Preparing for the Journey

An Indiana cemetery has a tombstone, more than one hundred years old, with the following epitaph:


Pause, stranger, when you pass me by:

As you are now, so once was I.

As I am now, so you will be.

So prepare for death and follow me.


An unknown passerby scratched these additional words on the tombstone:


To follow you I’m not content,

Until I know which way you went.

 

Can we really know in advance where we’re going when we die?  The apostle John, the same one who wrote about the New Heaven and New Earth, said in one of his letters, “I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life” (1 John 5:13, emphasis added).  We can know for sure that we have eternal life.  We can know for sure that we will go to Heaven when we die.  Do you?

People who want to get to Florida don’t simply get in the car and start driving, hoping the road will somehow get them there.  Instead, they look at a map and chart their course.  They do this in advance, rather than waiting until they arrive at the wrong destination or discover they’ve spent three days driving the wrong direction.  If you want to get somewhere, guesswork is a poor strategy.

The goal of getting to Heaven is worthy of greater advanced planning than we would give to any other journey -- yet some people spend far more time preparing for a trip to Disney World.  Many books on Heaven seem to assume every reader is Heaven-bound.  The Bible says otherwise.  I owe it to all my readers to share with them God’s map to Heaven and offer them His Good News.

What You Need to Know and Do

To sin is to fall short of God’s holy standards.  Sin is what ended Eden’s Paradise.  And all of us, like Adam and Eve, are sinners.  You are a sinner.  That’s the first thing you need to know.

Sin deceives us and makes us think that wrong is right and right is wrong (Proverbs 14:12).

Sin has consequences, but God has provided a solution for our sin: “The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23).  Jesus Christ, the Son of God, loves us so much that He became a man to deliver us from our sin (John 3:16).  He came to identify with us in our humanity and our weakness, but He did so without being tainted by our sin, self-deception, and moral failings (Hebrews 2:17-18; 4:15-16).

We’re told that “God made Him [Christ] who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21).  This means that even though we are under God’s wrath for our sins, Jesus died on the cross as our representative, our substitute. God then poured out His wrath on Christ, instead of on us.  Christ, who stood in our place, conveyed His righteousness to us so that we are declared innocent of all our sins and declared righteous, so we may enter the very presence of God in Heaven and be at home with Him there.

No other prophet or religious figure -- only Jesus, the Son of God -- is worthy to pay the penalty for our sins demanded by God’s holiness (Revelation 5:4-5, 9-10).  Only when our sins are dealt with in Christ can we enter Heaven.  We cannot pay our own way“Salvation is found in no one else [but Jesus], for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).

Being himself God and therefore all-powerful, Jesus Christ rose from the grave, defeating sin and conquering death (1 Corinthians 15:3-4, 54-57).  When Christ died on the cross for us, He said, “It is finished” (John 19:30).  The Greek word translated “it is finished” was commonly written across certificates of debt when they were canceled.  It meant “paid in full.”  Christ died so that the certificate of debt, consisting of all our sins, could once and for all be marked “paid in full.”

Because of Jesus Christ’s sacrificial death on the cross on our behalf, God freely offers us forgiveness.  “He does not treat us as our sins deserve or repay us according to our iniquities. . . . As far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us”  (Psalm 103:10-12).

Forgiveness is not automatic.  If we want to be forgiven, we must recognize and repent of our sins: “He who conceals his sins does not prosper, but whoever confesses and renounces them finds mercy” (Proverbs 28:13).  Forgiveness is established by our confession: “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9).

Christ offers to everyone the gift of forgiveness, salvation, and eternal life: “Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life” (Revelation 22:17).

There’s no righteous deed we can do that will earn us a place in Heaven (Titus 3:5).  We come to Christ empty-handed.  We can take no credit for salvation: “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith -- and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God -- not by works, so that no one can boast” (Ephesians 2:8-9).

This gift cannot be worked for, earned, or achieved in any sense.  It’s not dependent on our merit or effort, but solely on Christ’s generous and sufficient sacrifice on our behalf.

Ultimately, God’s greatest gift is Himself.  We don’t just need salvation, we need Jesus the Savior.  It is the person, God, who graciously gives us the place, Heaven.

Joining the Body of Christ: the Church

You may think that you don’t deserve forgiveness after all you’ve doneThat’s exactly right.  No one deserves forgiveness.  If we deserved it, we wouldn’t need it.  That’s the point of grace.  On the cross, Jesus experienced the Hell we deserve, so that for eternity we can experience the Heaven we don’t deserve.

Once forgiven, we can look forward to spending eternity in Heaven with Christ and our spiritual family (John 14:1-3; Revelation 20:11-22:6).  We need never fear that God will find a skeleton in our closet and say, “If I’d known you did that, I wouldn’t have let you into Heaven.”

Every sin is covered under the blood of Christ.  Moreover, God is all-knowing.  He has seen us at our worst and still loves us.  No sin is bigger than the Savior.  If God wasn’t willing to forgive sin on the basis of Christ’s sacrifice, Heaven would be empty.

Jesus said, “Watch out that no one deceives you” (Matthew 24:4).  There are countless groups, religious and secular, that will assure you Heaven is your automatic destination or that it can be attained by your hard work and abstention from certain sins.  This is false -- there is no salvation except by Jesus and his redemptive work.

False teachers can be attractive and persuasive, often quoting the Bible out of context.  But they should be rejected because they contradict God’s Word (Acts 17:11).  False doctrine is one reason the Christian life should not and cannot be lived in isolation.  We must become part of a family of Christians called a church, where God’s Word is believed and taught.

You may feel self-conscious around other Christians because of your past.  You shouldn’t.  A Christ-centered church is not a showcase for saints, but a hospital for sinners.  The people you’re joining are human, imperfect, and needy.  Most church people aren’t self-righteous.  Those who are should be pitied, because they don’t understand God’s grace.

A good church will teach God’s Word and provide love, help, and support.  If you have further questions about Jesus and about Heaven, you can find answers there.  (If you’re looking for such a church in your area but can’t find one, use the address at the end of this book to contact our organization, and we’ll gladly help you.)

To those who presumed they would go to Heaven because they were religious, Jesus said, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of Heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.  Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’  Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you.  Away from me, you evildoers!’” (Matthew 7:21-23).  Those who assume their religious activities alone will get them to Heaven have a terrible surprise ahead.

Do not merely assume that you are a Christian and are going to Heaven.  Make the conscious decision to accept Christ’s sacrificial death on your behalf.  When you choose to accept Christ and surrender control of your life to him, you can be certain that your name is written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

Water for the Thirsty

After showing us the New Heaven and New Earth, Jesus says near the end of the Bible, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.  To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life” (Revelation 21:6).

But then Jesus adds these sobering words: “He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be My son.  But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars -- their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur” (Revelation 21:7-8).

For those who know Christ, their place is Heaven.  For those who do not know Christ, their place is Hell.  Jesus said, “I am the Way and the Truth and the Life.  No one comes to the Father except through Me” (John 14:6).  There is no middle ground.  Either you are a follower of Jesus or you are not.  Christ said, “He who is not with Me is against Me” (Luke 11:23).

The Bible ends with yet one more invitation, suggesting that God wants to give every reader one last chance: “The Spirit and the bride say, ‘Come!’  And let him who hears say, ‘Come!’  Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life” (Revelation 22:17).

It is Jesus -- and Heaven -- we thirst for.  Jesus and Heaven are offered to us at no cost, because He already paid the price for us.

God invites you to come.  The church invites you to come.  As a follower of Jesus, I invite you to come.

Why would you not come?  What reason could be good enough to turn away from Jesus and from eternal life in the New Heaven and New Earth?

In the words of C. S. Lewis, “All your life an unattainable ecstasy has hovered just beyond the grasp of your consciousness.  The day is coming when you will wake to find, beyond all hope, that you have attained it, or else, that it was within your reach and you have lost it forever.”

You are made for a person and a place.  Jesus is the person.  Heaven is the place.  They are a package -- you cannot get Heaven without Jesus or Jesus without Heaven.  We will explore Heaven’s joys and wonders throughout this book.  But we dare not presume we can enter Heaven apart from Christ.

“Seek the Lord while He may be found; call on Him while He is near” (Isaiah 55:6).  Have you confessed your sins? -- asked Christ to forgive you? -- placed your trust in Christ’s death and resurrection on your behalf? -- asked Jesus to be your Lord and empower you to follow Him?

Wouldn’t it be tragic to read about the wonders of Heaven, and not end up going there?


Bold, underline, and italic emphasis in the book excerpt above is mine.

 

My Friend, have you sent responded to Jesus Christ's Wedding invitation yet?  Did you RSVP yet?   If not, there is no better time than now, this moment, to take care of this vital bit of eternal business.  Yes, it is as simple as a short prayer, if you are sincere in that prayer.   There are no magic in the words of the Salvation Prayer, often called the Sinner's Prayer. 

 

The "magic" or supernatural aspect of it is what God does in your heart at the moment you sincerely seek Him through such a prayer.  It does not have to be these exact words; but, instead, the words which come from your repentant heart.  This prayer I give here is merely a guideline.


"Lord God, I confess that I am a lost sinner and that I need Your mercy and Your forgiveness.  I do not deserve Your forgiveness; but I depend upon Your mercy and Your grace to set me free from the shackles of sin. 


I confess that Jesus Christ died on the cross to purchase my forgiveness, that He resurrected from the grave to assure my resurrection, and that He ascended into heaven, sat down at Your right hand, where He is continually interceding for me and for all believers. 


Lord Jesus, come into my heart, into my life, and be my personal Lord and Savior from this moment forward.  I want to live my life for You.  I ask this in Your holy name, Amen."

 

If you have sincerely prayed this prayer, or a similar prayer in your own words, you are my Christian brother or sister and I look forward to meeting you one day in heaven.  Welcome to the Family of God.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

 

Heaven, by Randy Alcorn -1a

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What an awesomely looong story

 

 

Quoted below  is what Bill Gray says a person needs to do to be saved:

 

<<<The "magic" or supernatural aspect of it is what God does in your heart at the moment you sincerely seek Him through such a prayer.  It does not have to be these exact words; but, instead, the words which come from your repentant heart.  This prayer I give here is merely a guideline.


"Lord God, I confess that I am a lost sinner and that I need Your mercy and Your forgiveness.  I do not deserve Your forgiveness; but I depend upon Your mercy and Your grace to set me free from the shackles of sin. 


I confess that Jesus Christ died on the cross to purchase my forgiveness, that He resurrected from the grave to assure my resurrection, and that He ascended into heaven, sat down at Your right hand, where He is continually interceding for me and for all believers. 


Lord Jesus, come into my heart, into my life, and be my personal Lord and Savior from this moment forward.  I want to live my life for You.  I ask this in Your holy name, Amen."

 

If you have sincerely prayed this prayer, or a similar prayer in your own words, you are my Christian brother or sister and I look forward to meeting you one day in heaven.  Welcome to the Family of God.>>>

 

One might suppose, then, that the inspired apostles of Jesus Christ would similarly advise lost sinners asking what they must do to be saved.  That, however, seems not to be the case.  On the occasion of the founding of the New Testament Church on the Day of Pentecost, A.D. 33 (and Bill himself will agree that this properly describes the beginning of the church), there were many lost sinners present.  Having been told by Peter that they were guilty of the death of the Son of God, these lost and condemned sinners, "p ricked in their hearts," asked, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"  Did the apostle, preaching under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit,  tell these anguished sinners to say a prayer, any prayer at all?  NO!  Did any apostle or any evangelist or anyone at all, in all of the New Testament, ever tell any lost sinner to say any prayer of any kind in order to be saved?  You will search in vain for any such account.  These lost souls at Pentecost had learned that "God hath made Him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom ye crucified." (Acts 2:36)  How, they cried to know, could they get out from under that heavy burden of guilt and into the favor of God?  "Men and brethren," they asked,  "what shall we do?"  The answer then and the answer now and always, until the end of this earth, is the same answer Peter gave:  REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED, EVERY ONE OF YOU, IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, FOR THE REMISSION OF YOUR SINS...."

 

Who ya gonna believe--Peter or  Bill Gray?

 

 

Billie prayer

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"Lord God, I confess that I am a lost sinner and that I need Your mercy and Your forgiveness.  I do not deserve Your forgiveness; but I depend upon Your mercy and Your grace to set me free from the shackles of sin.

 

I confess that Jesus Christ died on the cross to purchase my forgiveness, that He resurrected from the grave to assure my resurrection, and that He ascended into heaven, sat down at Your right hand, where He is continually interceding for me and for all believers.

 

Lord Jesus, come into my heart, into my life, and be my personal Lord and Savior from this moment forward.  I want to live my life for You.  I ask this in Your holy name, Amen."

 

If you have sincerely prayed this prayer, or a similar prayer in your own words, you are my Christian brother or sister and I look forward to meeting you one day in heaven.  Welcome to the Family of God.

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Your friend Joel Osteen





Thanks Bill for once again confirming my spot in heaven. IF there is such a place then I got this in the bag. I have said prayers similar to the one you posted hundreds of times in my life. Since I believed and was also baptized then I got no worries and neither should you. You can stop asking me to follow your God and to become a Christian again. As you have stated over and over in these forums, I am saved, sealed, and one day will be delivered to heaven, because I believed.

 

On some level Bill is right. No one needs to worry about where they will spend eternity. Its a useless worry and will only make you miss the joys of this world if you spend all your time worrying about what might come next.

 

Since none of us have any real reason to believe that there is a place such as heaven and hell we should stop planning for them and just enjoy the one life you have. It makes life so much better and less stressful to just behave in a kind and caring way to your fellow humans and do the best you can to not harm others, and just stop worrying about what lies beyond death. I assume I will return to where ever I was before I was born. Doesn't scare me or worry me. The only thing that worries or scares me about dying is not getting to enjoy more time with my friends and family. There is never enough time to love and experience this wonderful life. If I were to fantasize about an afterlife, the heaven of the bible would not be what I would personally choose. That imaginary place sounds horrible to me. I guess the saying one mans trash is another mans treasure could be applied to the idea of biblical heaven.

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

Billie prayer

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"Lord God, I confess that I am a lost sinner and that I need Your mercy and Your forgiveness.  I do not deserve Your forgiveness; but I depend upon Your mercy and Your grace to set me free from the shackles of sin.

 

I confess that Jesus Christ died on the cross to purchase my forgiveness, that He resurrected from the grave to assure my resurrection, and that He ascended into heaven, sat down at Your right hand, where He is continually interceding for me and for all believers.

 

Lord Jesus, come into my heart, into my life, and be my personal Lord and Savior from this moment forward.  I want to live my life for You.  I ask this in Your holy name, Amen."

 

If you have sincerely prayed this prayer, or a similar prayer in your own words, you are my Christian brother or sister and I look forward to meeting you one day in heaven.  Welcome to the Family of God.

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Your friend Joel Osteen




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LOL!!!  That is our boy, Joel--the Readers Digest Condensed, Abridged and Truncated Plan of Salvation!

 Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

 

Seems to me there's just a bit more to it. 

 

That and "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."  Philippians 2:12

 

We have to work at it.  We can't retire early.  We have to run the race, to persevere.  if you don't finish the race, you don't win the prize.

 

Prasied be Jesus forever!!!

don't Ya'll know that bill is right about everything, He said in another thread that Baptism does not and underscored not wash away sin, Paul in Acts 22:16 said that ananias told him "and now why tarriest thou? arise, be Baprized and wash away thy sin, calling on the name of the lord.

 

if the Bible says anything one time to me it means it, but Bill says that Baptism doe NOT wash away sin as Paul says, Oh Bill I know what your pet Verse says Ephesians chapter 2 verses 8&9.

may I also suggest you read Revelations 22:19.

quote:   Originally Posted by prince albert:

don't Ya'll know that bill is right about everything, He said in another thread that Baptism does not and underscored not wash away sin, Paul in Acts 22:16 said that ananias told him "and now why tarriest thou? arise, be Baprized and wash away thy sin, calling on the name of the lord.

 

if the Bible says anything one time to me it means it, but Bill says that Baptism doe NOT wash away sin as Paul says, Oh Bill I know what your pet Verse says Ephesians chapter 2 verses 8&9.

may I also suggest you read Revelations 22:19.

Hi Albert,

 

As folks often do, you have read into Acts 22:16 what you WANT it to say to fit your theology. 

 

That is Eisegesis, reading into Scripture what you want it to say, to make it fit your own biases or erroneous beliefs.  While Exegesis is bringing out of Scripture the meaning which God wrote into it.

 

First, we see in Act 22:1 that Paul is speaking to believers, "Brethren and fathers, hear my defense which I now offer to you."

 

And, in this chapter of Acts, Paul is relating to them how he was personally saved by meeting Jesus Christ on the road to Damascus.  That is where Paul received Jesus Christ, was saved, and given his ministry to the Gentiles.  Then, he was sent to Ananias who later baptized him.


Acts 22:12-16, "A certain Ananias, a man who was devout by the standard of the Law, and well spoken of by all the Jews who lived there, (13) came to me, and standing near said to me, 'Brother Saul, receive your sight!'  And at that very time I looked up at him.  (14) And he said, 'The God of our fathers has appointed you to know His will and to see the Righteous One and to hear an [fn]utterance from His mouth.  (15) 'For you will be a witness for Him to all men of what you have seen and heard.  (16) 'Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.' "

 

So, Saul was saved on the road to Damascus by meeting Jesus face-to-face.  And, NOW, he has met Ananias who is telling him, in effect, now that you are saved -- you should be baptized. 

 

When was Saul/Paul saved.  On the road to Damascus.  When was he baptized?   Later, by Ananias.  So, how could baptism have been a part of Paul's salvation if it happened later?

 

Then, you suggest we look at Revelation 22:19, "And if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book."

 

I agree with that 100% -- but, what about the people who read into Scripture what is not there?   You took the passage where Paul meets Ananias -- and tried to make that say that there is no salvation without baptism.  Isn't that, in effect, changing Scripture?

 

What did Jesus tell the repentant thief on the cross?  Did He tell the thief, "Well, if you really believe in Me, you will have to be baptized before I can save you."

 

No, we read in Luke 23:43 that Jesus told that repentant thief, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise."

 

If Jesus did not hold that thief to baptism before he could be saved -- why would He place that restriction on us?   Albert, my Friend, that is not an accurate reading of Scripture.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Hi Head,

 

You mock the Salvation Prayer which I offered as a guideline to seekers who want to receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.  Yet, if a person sincerely prays such a prayer -- are YOU saying that this person is not saved?

 

Quail, are you saved?  And, if so, what did YOU do to gain salvation in Jesus Christ?  Please explain to us how YOU were saved.  Did you pray anything?  Exactly what did you do to know that Jesus Christ is now your Lord and Savior?

 

I am not asking this to be snide, nor to put you down.  I am sincerely interested in how YOU gained salvation.   It is one thing to mock another's way of salvation -- but, why mock it if you do not have a more certain way to salvation?  Do you?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

As I recall, the command from Jesus was to go and make disciples of all nations, AND to baptize them. The two go hand in hand. Baptism washes away sins, as we have noted previously! Accusing someone else of eisegesis is most ironic, I'd say! I recommend to all to listen to Jesus on this one, as in all things, rather than some false interpretation from those not entrusted with interpreting scripture. The Catholic Church gave us the New Testament, decided what was, and what wasn't, Scripture, and is the only Church that has the promise that the gates of hell won't prevail against it. Scripture is clear, be baptized and have your sins washed away! Praised be Jesus forever!
Jank is right. She is a shoo-in. And I think I just may go have a little "rendezvous " with the ups guy, because I am a "done deal"- I'm safe. My sins were already paid for- so I'm gonna do as I please and not have a worry in the world. Right? I love Jesus with all my heart and declared him as my savior. But, I'm human and sometimes the temptation is too great.

Bill if Saul was saved on the road to Demascus then he was saved but still had his Sins because Ananias told him to be baptized and wash away thy sins, and I say it is Impossible to be saved and still have your Sins, and these people that Paul was talking to was about to tear him apart until he was rescued by the Roman Soldiers.and as far as me reading into it what I want it to say, I only read what it said and it is plain enough that the dumbest person on this Board can understand it.

 

I know that the water doesn't wash away the sins, from your Body, being baptized is compleing the command that the Bible says you must do to be saved, so if Paul still had his sins when Ananias told him to be Baptized and wash them away then he wasn't saved because he hadn't completed the whole command for Salvation.

 

and now the Thief on the Cross, bill the thief died under the old law, the new law didn't come into affect until Christ died, so the thief died under the old law, and Christ had the power to forgive sins, the new law was just like a Will, the Bible says that no law is in affect unless there be the Death if the Testator, you know that it says that but if you want me to look it up and tell you where it's at then say so and I will get right on it.

Originally Posted by vplee123:
Jank is right. She is a shoo-in. And I think I just may go have a little "rendezvous " with the ups guy, because I am a "done deal"- I'm safe. My sins were already paid for- so I'm gonna do as I please and not have a worry in the world. Right? I love Jesus with all my heart and declared him as my savior. But, I'm human and sometimes the temptation is too great.

Bill Hebrews 9:16 and 9:17 is where it says the Testator of a Testament must be dead for the will to become in affect.

 

my Kids bought me a new Laptop for Christmas and I hate it with a Passion, I could Copy and Paste on the Desktop but not on this Laptop, Oh I know that it is simple but none of them has time to  show me, I will be 79 in this Month so I guess they say, what's the use he won't need it long and they are right but I am not sweating it, when I get the call I will go just like everybody else.

PA, Just hold the left-hand "mouse" button while you highlight something by using your finger on the pad. Then click on your right hand "mouse" button and you will see a drop down box. "Copy" will be in that box. Click on it. Then when you get to the page you want to paste onto, right click again and you'll see "copy". Click on that and away you go.

O No, I think you meant to say that once you have copied and you get to the place you want to paste, you click the right hand mouse button and click "paste" not copy again.

 

I hate my new lap top too PA. I have had it for 2 months and I am still trying to figure out how to use it. I am 44 so don't think it has anything to do with age.

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

O No, I think you meant to say that once you have copied and you get to the place you want to paste, you click the right hand mouse button and click "paste" not copy again.

 

I hate my new lap top too PA. I have had it for 2 months and I am still trying to figure out how to use it. I am 44 so don't think it has anything to do with age.

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Yeah, that IS what I meant to say. I must need more coffee. (I ALWAYS need more coffee!)

It took me a while to get used to the laptop too, and Lord knows I'm NOT really all that good with ANY computer, but it sure is convenient having something I can haul around. I don't want to pay for internet at both the shop and the house, but when I have a rare day off, it's nice to bring the laptop home so I can watch a movie on it. And it's great for recording music on too. I got myself a USB microphone and there are lots of free programs for editing and noise reduction and the like.

 

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Head,

 

You mock the Salvation Prayer which I offered as a guideline to seekers who want to receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.  Yet, if a person sincerely prays such a prayer -- are YOU saying that this person is not saved?

 

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Cheap shot Bill, and irrelevant with respect to what I posted.  I mocked no one and nothing.  To you, Bill, "mockery" seems to equate to someone's disagreement with your personally-held beliefs. But disagreement is not mockery; it is part of dialogue and dialogue is an intrinsc element of a forum such as this, which is a marketplace of ideas. 

 

I issued a detailed challenge to your abbreviated and unscriptural prescription for salvation, which I will repeat below, SINCE YOU HAVE FAILED TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE ARGUMENTS I MADE. Now it is time for you to get with the program and actually reply to what I posted instead of diverting and deflecting from the real substance of the issue.

 

In the meantime, I will answer your question.  The scriptures offer no promise of salvation to those who are disobedient to those requirements that are set forth in the inspired word as conditions for salvation.  I made my case, as quoted below, supporting this thesis, and you have failed to make any rebuttal to it whatsoever.  You have not touched it--edge,side, top or bottom. You have simply ignored it, as you frequently do when you have no viable answer. So here we go again; one more opportunity for you to address the substance of what I have posted and to show, if you can, that I am in error. 

 

It is all there, Bill--an apostle of Jesus Christ preaching under inspiration of the Holy Spirit; lost and condemned sinners seeking salvation, didigently beseeching the apostle to tell them what they must do to escape condemnation and eternal destruction; and an answer plain and clear that has nothing to do with uttering any kind of prayer.  Once more, then:

 

<<<On the occasion of the founding of the New Testament Church on the Day of Pentecost, A.D. 33 (and Bill himself will agree that this properly describes the beginning of the church), there were many lost sinners present.  Having been told by Peter that they were guilty of the death of the Son of God, these lost and condemned sinners, "p ricked in their hearts," asked, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"  Did the apostle, preaching under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit,  tell these anguished sinners to say a prayer, any prayer at all?  NO!  Did any apostle or any evangelist or anyone at all, in all of the New Testament, ever tell any lost sinner to say any prayer of any kind in order to be saved?  You will search in vain for any such account.  These lost souls at Pentecost had learned that "God hath made Him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom ye crucified." (Acts 2:36)  How, they cried to know, could they get out from under that heavy burden of guilt and into the favor of God?  "Men and brethren," they asked,  "what shall we do?"  The answer then and the answer now and always, until the end of this earth, is the same answer Peter gave:  REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED, EVERY ONE OF YOU, IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, FOR THE REMISSION OF YOUR SINS....">>>

quote:  Originally Posted by vplee123:
Salvation is an ongoing process.  I have been saved, I continually am being saved when I confess and repent for my sins (every single day of my life) and I pray for Gods mercy when I pass from this life.

Hi VP,

 

In your version of salvation -- when are you indwelled and sealed by the Holy Spirit?   Or, are you?  If you are indwelled, how long will the Holy Spirit stay within you?   Hint:  check out Ephesians 1:13 and 4:30.

 

Just who does the Holy Spirit indwell and seal?  Why?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by vplee123:
Salvation is an ongoing process. I have been saved, I continually am being saved when I confess and repent for my sins (every single day of my life) and I pray for Gods mercy when I pass from this life.

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I'll bet $50.00 that ole Billy boy will question your being saved. It would almost be worth taking the old Devil worshipper off block to see.......nah, no need because I know he will.  

Hi Quail,

Walk me through this:  A Christian believer is sharing the Gospel and the message touches the heart of a non-believer.  That non-believer's heart is moved by the Holy Spirit and he/she knows he wants to become a follower of Jesus Christ -- what is the next step?

Would you say that this person is repentant and wants to turn from following the world -- and turn to follow Jesus Christ?  Isn't the first thing this person should do is to repent, acknowledge that he has been lost and needs Christ to be his Savior?


Acts 2:38, "Peter said to them, 'Repent, and (then) each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.' "

 

How does one repent?  Doesn't that imply that this person turns to God, to Jesus Christ, and acknowledges his sins and his need for a Savior?   How does one say this to God, by talking to God?  Talking to God, in my way of thinking -- is praying.  Therefore, when a person talks to God, i.e., prays, to say that he/she is sorry for his sins, needs a Savior, and asks Jesus Christ to be his Savior -- IS THAT NOT A SALVATION PRAYER?

How can a person be repentant -- if not through prayer, i.e., talking with God?

As I posted earlier and you claimed it to be "Joel Osteen theology":


Yes, it is as simple as a short prayer, if you are sincere in that prayer.   There are no magic in the words of the Salvation Prayer, often called the Sinner's Prayer.

The "magic" or supernatural aspect of it is what God does in your heart at the moment you sincerely seek Him through such a prayer.  It does not have to be these exact words; but, instead, the words which come from your repentant heart.  This prayer I give here is merely a guideline.


"Lord God, I confess that I am a lost sinner and that I need Your mercy and Your forgiveness.  I do not deserve Your forgiveness; but I depend upon Your mercy and Your grace to set me free from the shackles of sin.  REPENTANCE!

I confess that Jesus Christ died on the cross to purchase my forgiveness, that He resurrected from the grave to assure my resurrection, and that He ascended into heaven, sat down at Your right hand, where He is continually interceding for me and for all believers.  ACKNOWLEDGING CHRIST AS SAVIOR!

Lord Jesus, come into my heart, into my life, and be my personal Lord and Savior from this moment forward.  I want to live my life for You.  I ask this in Your holy name, Amen."    ASKING CHRIST TO BE HIS LORD AND SAVIOR!

 

If you have sincerely prayed this prayer, or a similar prayer in your own words, you are my Christian brother or sister and I look forward to meeting you one day in heaven.  Welcome to the Family of God.

 

So, Quail, my Friend -- once again I will ask you: 

 

What did you do to become a Christian believer?   Did you pray?   Did you ask Christ to be your Savior?   Did you repent of your worldly life and ask His forgiveness?  What exactly did you do to receive Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior?   Or, have you done anything yet?  I am sincerely interested.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

O No, I think you meant to say that once you have copied and you get to the place you want to paste, you click the right hand mouse button and click "paste" not copy again.

 

I hate my new lap top too PA. I have had it for 2 months and I am still trying to figure out how to use it. I am 44 so don't think it has anything to do with age.

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Nope, age has nothing to do with it.  

 

Both of you.......make your life easier. Hie thee to office depot and buy yourselves a $12.USB mouse.

 

Or, you can just use "control c" to copy and "control v" to paste. PA if you are not familiar with that process what you will do is highlight the text that you want to copy. Once you have it highlighted you will then hit the control key (it is labeled "ctrl") and the c key at the same time. This copies your selection to the clipboard.

 

Then, wherever you want to insert your selection, first place your cursor in that spot and then just hit the control key and the v key at the same time.  Abracadabra.......

 

Now if you want to talk difficult. Try posting on these forums with an Ipad. 

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Quail,

Walk me through this:  A Christian believer is sharing the Gospel and the message touches the heart of a non-believer.  That non-believer's heart is moved by the Holy Spirit and he/she knows he wants to become a follower of Jesus Christ -- what is the next step?

Would you say that this person is repentant and wants to turn from following the world -- and turn to follow Jesus Christ?  Isn't the first thing this person should do is to repent, acknowledge that he has been lost and needs Christ to be his Savior?


Acts 2:38, "Peter said to them, 'Repent, and (then) each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.' "

 

How does one repent?  Doesn't that imply that this person turns to God, to Jesus Christ, and acknowledges his sins and his need for a Savior?   How does one say this to God, by talking to God?  Talking to God, in my way of thinking -- is praying.  Therefore, when a person talks to God, i.e., prays, to say that he/she is sorry for his sins, needs a Savior, and asks Jesus Christ to be his Savior -- IS THAT NOT A SALVATION PRAYER?

How can a person be repentant -- if not through prayer, i.e., talking with God?

As I posted earlier and you claimed it to be "Joel Osteen theology":


Yes, it is as simple as a short prayer, if you are sincere in that prayer.   There are no magic in the words of the Salvation Prayer, often called the Sinner's Prayer.

The "magic" or supernatural aspect of it is what God does in your heart at the moment you sincerely seek Him through such a prayer.  It does not have to be these exact words; but, instead, the words which come from your repentant heart.  This prayer I give here is merely a guideline.


"Lord God, I confess that I am a lost sinner and that I need Your mercy and Your forgiveness.  I do not deserve Your forgiveness; but I depend upon Your mercy and Your grace to set me free from the shackles of sin.  REPENTANCE!

I confess that Jesus Christ died on the cross to purchase my forgiveness, that He resurrected from the grave to assure my resurrection, and that He ascended into heaven, sat down at Your right hand, where He is continually interceding for me and for all believers.  ACKNOWLEDGING CHRIST AS SAVIOR!

Lord Jesus, come into my heart, into my life, and be my personal Lord and Savior from this moment forward.  I want to live my life for You.  I ask this in Your holy name, Amen."    ASKING CHRIST TO BE HIS LORD AND SAVIOR!

 

If you have sincerely prayed this prayer, or a similar prayer in your own words, you are my Christian brother or sister and I look forward to meeting you one day in heaven.  Welcome to the Family of God.

 

So, Quail, my Friend -- once again I will ask you: 

 

What did you do to become a Christian believer?   Did you pray?   Did you ask Christ to be your Savior?   Did you repent of your worldly life and ask His forgiveness?  What exactly did you do to receive Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior?   Or, have you done anything yet?  I am sincerely interested.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Cross On Hill - Romans 1-16

Bill I heard the Word, I believed the Word, I repented of what few sins I was guilty of at the age of twelve, confessed before others that I believed Jesus was the Son of God and was baptized in a creek in January. I hadn’t stole anything I had to return or joined into any bond of mischief from which I had to resign.  I would say repentance has much less baggage at age 12.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by vplee123:
Salvation is an ongoing process. I have been saved, I continually am being saved when I confess and repent for my sins (every single day of my life) and I pray for Gods mercy when I pass from this life.

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I'll bet $50.00 that ole Billy boy will question your being saved. It would almost be worth taking the old Devil worshipper off block to see.......nah, no need because I know he will.  

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LOL.  You called it. 

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