quote:Originally posted by CrustyMac:quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:quote:Originally posted by uwsoftball:quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:quote:Originally posted by beternU: I don't "have a church," Bill. Jesus has a church; it is His church, not mine.
Hi Beter, I do believe we call this "wiggling." You, I, and all of our Forum Friends know exactly what I was asking. But, if you cannot answer, not a problem. Before I was involved in a church, I could not have answered that question either.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day, Bill
An inquiring mind from lurkerville is curious as to what the answer really is Mr. Gray.
I must profess that I felt beter did answer the question. To me, his statement implied that he is of the opinion that Jesus is the founder of all churches and should be given the credit - not man. Considering that it is also my opinion, I am curious as to how that is wrong.
I will also confess that I am of the opinion that "wiggling" is occurring here, however I do not feel that it is beter engaging in that act.
Hi UW,
If that UW stands for University of Washington; I love the Seattle area. It's a great place to visit and to live. If it means Wisconsin, too hot and humid in the summer and too much white stuff on the ground in the winter.
Regarding who founded the Christian church -- I am with you 1000% -- Jesus Christ. He began its first teachings; His Holy Spirit initiated the first body of Christ on the Day of Pentecost; and His Written Word gives us His full revelation for our salvation and to guide us in our daily Christian walk.
That is obviously what you believe -- so, we are in agreement. But, to be honest, I am not sure what Beter believes. Last year, he declared that he is on the Religion Forum for one purpose -- TO ARGUE. And, he has proven his point.
I do not read most of his posts because they tend to be one very long paragraph. He seems to have missed that part of English Comp which teaches about paragraphs -- and that a paragraph is not supposed to be book length.
Yes, my writings tend to often be long -- but, I do put a great deal of effort into making them readable. I do this with shorter and to the point paragraphs; not long rambling, page length paragraphs. This is something I learned, not only in English Comp, but, also by reading newspapers and magazines. You will notice this is their method also to keep the readers attention: short, to the point paragraphs.
You tell me, "An inquiring mind from lurkerville is curious as to what the answer really is Mr. Gray."
Are you speaking of Beter's challenge regarding 2 Peter 2 -- or has he issued more challenges?
By the way, since I have not dialogued with you before -- welcome to the Religion Forum.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
Bill you are so full of it that your eyes have turned brown.
BeternU's two posts in this thread contained paragraphs - shorter and more succinct than those in this posting.
Have a blissed day, Bill.
None of what you posted will impress Birther Bill. He has created his own comfortable micro-environment. In Bill's synthetic dream world, he is at liberty to post detailed analytical presentations of his opinions, insisting on the correctness of his views. But Bill is so blinded to reality that he does not realize that when he does so, he is presenting ARGUMENTS, all the while condemning me for "ARGUING.".
Bill is doing that very same thing that he condemns me for doing. Isn't there a name for that kind of attitude?
When Bill--in his crabbed and narrow view of polemics--ARGUES, that is desirable, permissible, positive and commendable. When someone else ARGUES (i.e. states the basis for his/her beliefs--and especially when they challenge Bill's views and he can't or won't muster a credible response), that becomes somehow objectionable.
So goes the distorted little world of Birther Bill Gray.
SO--time marches on and Bill remains silent. But the longer that silence continues, the more it looks as though Bill really has no defense against the clear, strong and unambiguous teaching of II Peter 2 on the matter of eternal security.