Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:
quote:Originally posted by beternU:
Skippy, I hope you have also learned that Churches of Christ do NOT subscribe to the notion of original sin as you erroneously claim nor do they believe that unbaptized little children are destined for hell. You will not find elders in Churches of Christ being paid, except very rarely and that is a fully scriptural thing that Mormons should not make any objection to. I Timothy 5:17 & 18 makes that very clear:
"17Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
18For the scripture saith, thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward."
As to the priesthood, I go by what the scriptures say. Peter wrote about the priesthood, which he assigns to the whole body of Christians, not to some elite group:
"9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;"
The priesthood of the type prescribed in the Old Testament was done away with when Jesus established a New Covenant. Read all about that in Hebrews 10. No Apostle, evangelist, or other person in the First Century Church was ever referred to in the new Testament as a "priest" other than in the passage I have quoted above from I Timothy. The two forms of the Mormon "priesthood" have no legitimate place in the church that Jesus established, nor do the contrived Mormon offices of President, Quorum of the Seventy, First and Second Counselors, etc. These are all parts of a system that bears no resemblance to the Biblical model for church governance. The Mormon office of "high priest" is a blasphemous invention, since the Bible clearly states that Jesus is our High Priest (Hebrews 8:1). How dare any man usurp the office bestowed on Jesus Christ? You need to read the Book of Hebrews, Skippy, especially Chapters 7-9 and try to get yourself straight on this priesthood thing. The Mormon priesthood is a mongerel concept, created by unscripturally bringing into your cult elements of the Old Testament that have been replaced by a newer and better covenant.
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Beternu,
yes I now know that the Churches of Christ do no beleive in original sin
and yes Timothy 5:18 refers to support of clergy if needed. As you say the
priesthood should not be for just an elite group. In the LDS Church all worthy
males 12 years of age can be ordained to the Aaronic Priesthood. Then at the
age of 18 worthy young men can be ordained to the Melchizedek Priesthood.
which is named after Melchizedeck King of Salem Priest of the most High God.
Genesis 14:18. As for the priesthood of the Old Testament being done away
with in Hebrews 10, this is not true. Hebrews 10 talks of the doing away with
blood sacrifice with the crusification of Christ. The blood sacrifices of the
Old Testament were in place of Christ's crusification. In Hebrews 5:1 it says;
"For every High Priest taken from among men is ordained for men
in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices
for sins." Hebrews 5:4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he
that is called of God , as was Aaron. Hebrews 5:6 As he saith also in another
place, Thou art a Priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Hebrews 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of salem, priest of the most high God,
who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him.
Hebrews 7:2 To whom also gave a tenth of all; first being by interpretation
King of rightousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace:
Hebrews 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of
Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, Hebrews 7:17 For he testifieth,
Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Hebrews 7:20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made a priest.
Hebrews 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled
, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; Hebrews 4:14 Seeing
then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the
Son of God, let us hold fast to our profession. There are many references
just in the New Testament that refer to the order of the Priesthood. There is
nothing describing Jesus or anyone doing away with the priesthood, it even
states that Jesus is a High Priest. It also states that the priesthood is for
ever. We know(LDS) that the Priesthood is the governing force of the universe,
thru God. Yes God is a Mormon God but he is also everyones God, even Athiests,
Moslems, Jews, Buddists, Christains, everyone who lives in his universe, And
that he created all of us in this universe. He has only one Begotten Son
Jesus Christ. As the scriptures of the Old and New Testament state,
Hebrews 7:17 For he testifieith, Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchisedec.
So please Beternu show me were, any where in the Bible(King James Version) that
it states anything about the Priesthood of God our Father and His Son Jesus Christ
has been discontinued. You can't, it's not there. But it is there where it states
that it is a forever Priesthood. It is received through ordination from a
worthy Priesthood holder. 1 Timothy 4:14 Neglect not the gift that was given
thee by prophecy, with the laying on of hands of the presbytery.*
*(Elders, holders of the Melchisedec Priesthood.) So why you believe that you
are just born into the Priesthood or receive it from belief, I see no scripture
that backs up your claim. Also at the begining of your Church during the
restoration movement in the early 1800's. Where did the Priesthood come from?
Was it transfered from the Churches that your Churches brook off from? If so
how was it transfered from the Pentecost, 30 A.D.. Also in Christ's original
Church it discribes Bishops which your Churches don't have.(correct me if I'm
wrong) So how you get cult out of Christ's original Church, which we are, and
how you don't understand about the priesthood, when it is plainly printed in
the scriptures, I don't know. Plus all the references in the Old Testament and
the many I didn't refer to in the New Testament, surely testify to not only the
existance of the Holy Priesthood, but in the order that it is in the Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
Thank You and Keep Marching,
Skippy
I want to flash back to April 2011 on as Cage described, we we’re involved in the Mormon Wars. It was funny because he had a a picture of some Rock-Um Sock-Um Robots. Funny stuff. It’s funny how things go in cycles we go thru a certain battle with Bill throwing the C-Word all over the place but in reality he is of the cult. Beternun and Bill were tag-teaming and really thought they had an argument. But the fact is every source Beternun / Bill as fact I shown to be fraud. That’s something I’ve noticed bfred forgot to back up his claims. But as you will read in these rather long posts/replies you will see sources and debunking of these sources. I’m not here to put anybody down or say betern anyone else, because I’m not. As far as semi’s question to Dwight, I don’t think he answered it fully. This was the one about the need for a second book of God. The Book of Mormon was partially from the Old Testament. This is because of the fact that the writers of the Book of Mormon originated in The Holy Land. This Book is not to replace the Bible but it started as a equivalent to the Bible. The People of the Americas could not have received missionaries because of well the Oceans. So why would God give the gospel to one part of the world and not the other? So this (The Book of Mormon) was a history of these people and the Gospel which is the same as that of the Early Church of Jesus Christ. So please grab a cup of coffee or cocoa and enjoy the post. Try to remember the facts this time.
Skippy