" ...but if they aren't telling others how lacking they are in values and morals it comes across a bit differently."
Frog, in this very thread there are many posts from ATHEISTS doing exactly that. DA and Jennifer constantly claim that they are more "moral" than Christians. Sorry, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander. And for atheists to tell Christians that they should be held to a higher standard is laughable. We should be held to a higher standard because........we are "delusional"?
No, I wasn't saying I hold them to a higher standard. I was saying that they have said they do since atheists lie or the other things that atheists are regularly accused of by some who believe they are lacking or lost or have no morals. Remember the thread on values and some said that morals come from God or whatever the exact topic was? And all the comments about how atheists this or that or how they lie that was said on a different thread? These comments are scattered all over here so I don't have the exact quotes to give you. Then on a bigger stage we have people in Congress doing all kinds of things as they proclaim how awful others are who do them. That was what I was referring to, actually.
I'm not sitting here saying that my religion or my morals are better than any other groups', but it doesn't mean I don't have morals or values. It just means I'm not sitting here telling you that atheists have better morals and how evil it is when Christians do this or that. My point was that everyone does things that are wrong and most waste money in someone else's eyes, but since you have no idea what I buy and I'm not tell everyone how I am tied to the only right God and follow the only right book, it tends to come across a bit differently. I didn't say anyone should be held to a higher standard...that is what some Christians say when they keep on about how atheists are somehow inferior and do all those awful things that Christians don't. If they don't hold themselves to a higher standard than why think atheists don't have standards and just do whatever they want? So of course when they do get caught the reaction is a bit different sometimes. Doesn't mean that any group is better or does less wrong, though.
And I didn't speak for anyone but myself. I'm no better than anyone else and I do awesome and not so awesome things every day. So I personally wasn't holding anyone to anything...was just referring to what I have read from some here and experience as well. I didn't ever say anyone was delusional, and I do understand why some believe one way and some another way. I don't even think this relates to religion completely anyway, but just as much who a person is. One person can be atheist and pleasant, intelligent, funny, and tolerant of others, and can have an open mind, while another be rude and annoyingly close-minded. The same goes for Christians and every other religion and group on the planet. I'm not classifying anyone here at any point on the spectrum, but just saying that is how it goes.