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Reply to "The Continental Confederation Congress, Religion, And 20,000 Bibles!"

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Semantics, Semantics.  Did Congress buy 20,000 Bibles?  No, records do show that. 

 

Did Congress AUTHORIZE for 20,000 Bibles to be imported?  YES ("from Holland Scotland or elsewhere into different ports of the States of the Union" Journal of Congress, Thursday, September 11, 1777).  Although the Bibles never made it Congress DID AUTHORIZE importing them and it was voted in the affirmative the same day.  The talk about Aitkin is a smoke screen to attempt to refute Bills assertion that 20,000 Bibles were authorized, which they were.

 

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No, this "talk" is not a smoke screen to refute bill's assertion.It is to refute the claim that congress ordered and paid for bibles.It's plain as day they did not order nor pay for bibles but that doesn't matter to bill or you. Aiken ask congress to "authorize" or in other words allow him to print the bibles. There would have been no reason for them not to do that. They weren't banning bibles or religion. But they did not order nor pay for the bibles.

 

(authorize v. to officially empower someone to act.)

 

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You are constantly posting about "discussion and debate". This IS discussion and debate.  Whenever you or bill get opposing views and proof that you're wrong you run to the claim that people are only trying to "disrupt" your conversation and pick on you because you're a christian. You really need to do a bit of research before you post. I could give you many reasons and examples of why this country is going in the direction it is, and it has nothing at all to do with atheists.

Although I determined I would ignore your post due to your continuing twisting of my words and failing to take it back or retract it showing that it is impossible to reason with you there is yet another blatant example so I will choose to respond to this one demonstrating what I mean and why.

 

Do you have a reading or understanding deficiency?   LISTEN CAREFULLY --- I NEVER SAID, TYPED, OR INDICATED (as you accuse me of) THAT CONGRESS BOUGHT, PURCHASED, OR ORDERED BIBLES.  Quit acting as if I did.

 

What I TYPED, what I SAID was that Congress AUTHORIZED Bibles to be IMPORTEDIF it was government's, Congress's sentiments to totally separate Government from religion they would have never authorized the Bibles.  In the text of the evidence I presented (copies of the Congressional Journal pages from September 11, 1777) they express their very profound admiration of the Bible and it's importanceIF there was meant to be total separation (this by many of those that actually wrote, signed, drafted etc, the Constitution and Amendments) of Government from Religion then this was their golden opportunity to put it in writing by objecting to and rejecting any possibility that Congress would import Bibles or have anything to do with it.  LISTEN AGAIN ..  READ AGAIN ... Congress AUTHORIZED andthat is what I said.  NOT WHAT YOU SAY I SAID AND TRY TO HAVE OTHERS BELIEVE I SAID.

 

QUIT TWISTING MY WORDS.  You did it twice before, you cared not that you did You continue to do it without regard, this third time, without remorse or without retracting it.  IT IS IN PLAIN VIEW ABOVE for all to see.  I have highlighted my words in REDYour WORDS in Green among the quoted words in your reply.  I am NOT Bill Gray, I did NOT say Congress Paid for, Ordered, Bought, etc  I said AUTHORIZED which means if everything went as they hoped then the Bibles would have been paid for, but they were not.  The important thing though is to realize that they were not and not because of separation of Church and StateThis alone should demonstrate that Government never meant for the First amendment to be used as it is being misused today by a legislative Judiciary.   What I said about Congress authorizing Bibles WAS TRUE, IS TRUE, REMAINS TRUE no matter how you want to rewrite history to suit your desires.   If you assert that Congress did NOT authorize this then I'll gladly await your evidence to that point and an explanation of just what Congress did Authorize on September 11, 1777.


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