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The right wing media twits have been hammering THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES the last couple of days for identifying himself as a "citizen of the world" during his landmark speech in Cairo. Last night, the incomparable Keith Olbermann reminded the amnesiac dimwits who were blithering about all this that their patron saint, Ronald Reagan, has said pretty much the same thing. Olbermann had previously nailed these dingbats during the presidential campaign, but they must have forgotten that. On July 24, 2008, the following discussion between Olbermann and Richard Wolffe was featured on Countdown:

WOLFFE: Well, of course, the classic playbook here is to question Obama‘s commitment to America as, in fact, the Republicans did against John Kerry four years ago. In some ways, if you look at the response to this event, I think it‘s actually been fairly muted. Even the criticism of certain lines like saying he was a citizen of the world, hasn‘t prompted the kind of outcry you might have expected.

"OLBERMANN: Well, it did, it did to some degree, I don‘t want to disagree with you on that, but Rush Limbaugh went nuts over that today. And there‘s another e-mail out of the McCain campaign particularly criticizing that one line about the citizen of the world. Did anybody bother to do the elemental research that the man who went to the U.N. General Assembly and introduced himself began his speech by saying, “I speak today as both the citizen of the United States and of the world,” was Ronald Reagan?

WOLFFE: Well, Keith, that‘s a great point about Reagan. And actually, the Obama campaign points out that the words, “Ich bin ein Berliner,” are hardly the greatest expression of American patriotism and, by the way, they‘re in a foreign language. And, of course, people look back at JFK‘s speech and don‘t consider that some sort of betrayal of America."

So it's OK for Reagan to make that kind of claim but unpatriotic for Obama to assert the same thing? In fact, neither Reagan nor Obama did anything offensive or unpatriotic. The rightist screaming and ranting over the recent Obama remark just shows how biased and assymetrical they really are.
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Originally posted by mommer:
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So it's OK for Reagan to make that kind of claim but unpatriotic for Obama to assert the same thing? In fact, neither Reagan nor Obama did anything offensive or unpatriotic. The rightist screaming and ranting over the recent Obama remark just shows how biased and assymetrical they really are.


It was more ok for Reagan to make the statement, because we are in different times. Obama is a moniority and the country has over and over stated that history has been made with the first Africian American president. It an advantage for the left to say history has been made, and a way for the right to criticize it.


On this forum and elsewhere, I have seen Obama characterized as Kenyan and an Indonesian, but never as a "moniarity." Is that a nationality, a disease, or WHAT?

And if it was "more ok for Reagan to make the statement," that would seem to mean that it WAS at leas ok--albeit to some lesser degree--for Obama to say it. Perhaps you could enlighten us as to how to apply your graduated scale of ok-ness.
OK, lets turn it around for a second Beternu. Why was it not OK for GW to talk about his faith and religion, as I recall the Atheists of America said he was worse than Jimmy Carter, since he talked about religion and "tried to ram it down their throats". In the same breath however, they say that Obama does not do this, when in fact some organizations (Politco) have shown that Obama has used "jesus Christ" in more major speeches than GW ever did during his first term in office. But he however is excused because they say he is not using it to show his "religiousness"...Gimme a break... Confused
You are only seeing the world thru your one way liberal eyeglasses. Ronald Reagan did more for world peace than BO will ever do. His policies brought the Soviet Union to their knees. And it was thru strength, not pacificsm. Ronald Reagan had forgotten more about diplomacy than this little Chicago lawyer will ever know. They should not even be compared in the same breath together. Keith Obermann is a classless jerk who makes O'Reilly look like a saint. Anyone who does not see than MSNBC and CNN give a break to the Obama regime is blinded by the sheer magnificence of their chosen one.... Roll Eyes
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OK, lets turn it around for a second Beternu. Why was it not OK for GW to talk about his faith and religion, as I recall the Atheists of America said he was worse than Jimmy Carter, since he talked about religion and "tried to ram it down their throats". In the same breath however, they say that Obama does not do this, when in fact some organizations (Politco) have shown that Obama has used "jesus Christ" in more major speeches than GW ever did during his first term in office. But he however is excused because they say he is not using it to show his "religiousness"...Gimme a break... Confused
You are only seeing the world thru your one way liberal eyeglasses. Ronald Reagan did more for world peace than BO will ever do. His policies brought the Soviet Union to their knees. And it was thru strength, not pacificsm. Ronald Reagan had forgotten more about diplomacy than this little Chicago lawyer will ever know. They should not even be compared in the same breath together. Keith Obermann is a classless jerk who makes O'Reilly look like a saint. Anyone who does not see than MSNBC and CNN give a break to the Obama regime is blinded by the sheer magnificence of their chosen one.... Roll Eyes


Yes, indeed, GWB talked about his religion. He unabashedly claimed, publicly and privately, to have heard God's call to run for the presidency. All you wingers who snidely refer to Obama as the "chosen one" and the "Messiah" should take into account that GWB actually CLAIMED to have been chosen by God for the Presidency. The pompous, self-righteous varmint claimed this for himself. Obama has made no such claims, but the verminous right wing critics nevertheless snarkily label HIM as the "Messiah." What a distortion of reality by the desperate sore-loser wingers!

More on Bush's "chosen one" complex:

"Stephen Mansfield, author of The Faith of George W. Bush, goes on to say: "Not long after, Bush called James Robison (a prominent minister) and told him, 'I've heard the call. I believe God wants me to run for President.' " Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention heard Bush say something similar: "Among the things he said to us was: I believe that God wants me to be president, but if that doesn't happen, it's OK.' "

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You have forgotten Obama's "shinning light from above and you experience an epiphany" speech.


White House denies Bush God claim

President George W Bush

Programme excerpts
The White House has dismissed as "absurd" allegations made in a BBC TV series that President Bush claimed God told him to invade Iraq.

"He's never made such comments," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

The comments were attributed to Mr Bush by the Palestinian negotiator Nabil Shaath in the upcoming TV series Elusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs.

Mr Shaath said that in a 2003 meeting with Mr Bush, the US president said he was "driven with a mission from God".

Holy war?

"President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan. And I did, and then God would tell me, George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq... And I did.

"'And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East. And by God I'm gonna do it.'"

Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas, who attended the meeting in June 2003 too, also appears on the documentary series to recount how Mr Bush told him: "I have a moral and religious obligation. So I will get you a Palestinian state."

The TV series charts recent attempts to bring peace to the Middle East, from former US President Bill Clinton's peace talks in 1999-2000 to Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip this year.

It seeks to uncover what happened behind closed doors by speaking to presidents and prime ministers, along with their generals and ministers.
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Originally posted by LMM:
You have forgotten Obama's "shinning light from above and you experience an epiphany" speech.


White House denies Bush God claim

President George W Bush

Programme excerpts
The White House has dismissed as "absurd" allegations made in a BBC TV series that President Bush claimed God told him to invade Iraq.

"He's never made such comments," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

The comments were attributed to Mr Bush by the Palestinian negotiator Nabil Shaath in the upcoming TV series Elusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs.

Mr Shaath said that in a 2003 meeting with Mr Bush, the US president said he was "driven with a mission from God".

Holy war?

"President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan. And I did, and then God would tell me, George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq... And I did.

"'And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East. And by God I'm gonna do it.'"

Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas, who attended the meeting in June 2003 too, also appears on the documentary series to recount how Mr Bush told him: "I have a moral and religious obligation. So I will get you a Palestinian state."

The TV series charts recent attempts to bring peace to the Middle East, from former US President Bill Clinton's peace talks in 1999-2000 to Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip this year.

It seeks to uncover what happened behind closed doors by speaking to presidents and prime ministers, along with their generals and ministers.


Does the white House also dispute Stephen Mansfield?

"Stephen Mansfield, author of The Faith of George W. Bush, goes on to say: "Not long after, Bush called James Robison (a prominent minister) and told him, 'I've heard the call. I believe God wants me to run for President.' " Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention heard Bush say something similar: "Among the things he said to us was: I believe that God wants me to be president, but if that doesn't happen, it's OK.' "

Mansfield was no Palestinian. His book treats Bush's religious character very favorably, probably excessively so. It is really sort of a "puff piece." It is indisputable that Bush considered himself to have received a divine call to run for the presidency. It has been widely reported without any dispute from Bush or his operatives. Why would you doubt it?
'''I believe that God wants me to be president, but if that doesn't happen, it's OK.''''

He also said, if it doesn't happen, that's OK.
Bush was religious and the fact that he had a good Christian faith bugs the gall out of you, doesn't it, Beter?

You agree he did not say "God told him to bomb Iraq".

Bush never had any media reporter pray to him, or had reporters bow to him or did he declare "I won" as the reason he could do anything....

The difference between Reagan and Obama is:
I speak today as both the citizen of the United States and of the world vs
Ich bin ein Berliner (I am a Berlin Citizen).

Obama never said he was a citizen of the good ole US. He is a citizen of every country but the one he has temporary reins to.
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Try again, zom
Even the other members of the greeting party had mouths hanging open. It is customary for some one to bow and curtsy before the Queen of England, Hussein and Michele did not.


You want to know what is the problem with our country? It's not about what is good for America or Americans. It's all about some die hards trying to play Matlock and grab some little piece of artificial evidence so they can make disingenuous claims one way or the other. All the while, these same people will have no comment on things that disprove their accusations. LMN, just keep reading your "Hating Obama For Dummies" paperback and spend hours watching faux news for the latest anti-Obama tidbit. Must be a happy life you have there.
I'm quite happy, thank you, but not due to Fox news or any other news. If you wish to watch the world with blinders on, that is your right.

Side-stepped the whole "Queen of England" thing, I see. Customs followed only if he wants too, I guess. I don't hate Obama, I am scared of his socialist policies, but, of course, that is the very reason you worship him.
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Originally posted by LMM:
I'm quite happy, thank you, but not due to Fox news or any other news. If you wish to watch the world with blinders on, that is your right.

Side-stepped the whole "Queen of England" thing, I see. Customs followed only if he wants too, I guess. I don't hate Obama, I am scared of his socialist policies, but, of course, that is the very reason you worship him.


I don't make posts about trivial things. I didn't side-step the "Queen of England" thing. I don't know why he didn't bow and neither do you. Maybe, he was told not to by some British officials for the first reason or the other. Do you have some inside info on it that the rest of the world doesn't?
Zombie, I would wager I have spent more time traveling to foreign countries then you have spent in foreign countries. Your sarcasm regarding people who haven't traveled outside the local area and who therefore don't know how to act is misplaced. You should know that the President of the United States represents the people of the United States and we bow to no foreign sovereign.

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