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I’m honestly not pulling a Bill here by starting a topic about another topic. Since Bill has refused to answer my last question in “Is It Belittling To Warn Of Mormonism's Cult Teachings?”, I’m sincerely interested in your opinions.

 

In that topic, Bill claims to care about my soul & where I’m going when I die. He offered to chat with me by Private Message, e-mail, or even telephone. (He’s hoping to win another diamond for his crown)

 

As we all know, Bill believes in Once Saved, Always Saved, (Eternal Security).

There’s two things he mentioned in that topic that really stood out to me. But this is the Biggie! “I do care about your relationship with God and I will do whatever I can to help you restore it."

 

RESTORE IT?????  To be able to restore something, don’t we have to lose it first?

My question to Bill was “ If you believe in Once Saved, Always Saved, how can that be? A person would have to lose something to be able to restore it.”

 

Bill claims that once we’re saved, it’s impossible to become un-saved. I’ve given him scripture after scripture in other topics that denies that claim but he never responds.

Usually when Bill doesn’t answer our questions, it’s because he can’t. He has stepped knee deep in mud & no way for him to back track.

I, of course, don’t believe in OSAS but I’m just curious in how you see this.

 

Am I wrong in the way I’m seeing what he said? Am I missing something in what he wrote? I would love to hear your opinions.

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Semi, this dilemma of yours is so unnecessary and such an easy fix. I’m the only COC on here and he never preaches to me. Why is that? Simply he understands the COC has *****ed every crack of argument using only the Bible and not man-made commentaries or dreamt up ideas. Bill is solid in the faith. His idea of rapture is not supported by the COC nor is the once saved doctrine. My advice to you is to not be bothered and quit with this charade. Nobody could possibly be this concerned about what Bill says . I think he’ a great guy myself.

I don't think you're wrong at all. Bill's MO is to drop his little insult bombs and false statements and then drop the subject when you confront him about them, or he will run off and make a new stupid thread. Look at the threads he makes and you'll see they're mostly just his little snarky comments about someone. His latest is a jab at NSNS and Frog. I can't imagine anyone being "brought to god" by anything bill would have to say. You can't be nice to him because he uses it to say you agree with him and he's so glad you finally see it his way blah blah blah, and thinks that gives him the right to belittle you in the guise of "caring about you".  I would bet any money that he runs to that preacher and congregation of his little podunk church and "reports" how he is "winning souls for the lord" and fighting the evils of atheism and other religions.  It's like a man that rides a moped imagining he's riding a GoldWing.

 

 

In my opinion no one should tell another how to live their life or what to believe. Unless  a person is harming others in his or her actions. A human being or Christian for the sake of the discussion, should be kind and care for one another but never dictate.  I believe no mater what one believes, if one lives by the rule of love, one will be saved. But if someone just accepts Jesus Christ as her or his Savoir and believes in my opinion and belief that person is not saved just by that act. Once Saved Always Saved doesn’t make sense. What if a person has accepted Jesus Christ repents of their sins if they’ve been bad. Then this person is goes twenty years sin free and gets pis*sed at his or her spouse. Shoots her or him (which would be enough by it’s self) then goes on a killing rampage? Although I don’t believe in a burning hell, I believe that we who try to love will not be placed by evil people after our final judgment. These people that chose hatred and evil will just have each other for comfort for the eternities. A person in my opinion will be judged by their goodness in them and how they treated their fellow beings in this life. OSAS If that were all there is to it, why would someone even bother to try to be the person they should if they were one of those type humans that are in my opinion prone to evil? Some people just enjoy being evil to their fellow beings.

Skippy

Originally Posted by HomesickGirl:

If someone correctly articulates the beliefs, it is not belittling.  And I do know the meaning of the word.  

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Once more, bill has no facts about the people he tries to belittle. And no, you don't know the meaning of the word.

I have no desire to join in on the snide remarks so I will only post to the original question.  I do not read all of Bill's postings so I do not know exactly what he has posted that you perceive that he has misinterpreted.  But as to the "once saved, always saved" I do interpret and believe that once a person has become a child of God they are always a child of God.  (The Bible teaches He is my Father once I accept Him as my Saviour - just as nothing can ever change who my father on earth is, God will aways be my Spiritual Father) One can break fellowship (fall into habitual sin and not live according to what His Word teaches) with Him and that fellowship can be restored through repentance.  Perhaps Bill used the word "relationship" when "fellowship" might have better described what he intended.

Maybe I didn't explain myself very well, & the intent of this topic. I know what OSAS means & don't believe in it, never have, never will. I didn't start this to make Bill look bad, he does that all on his own.

My intent was to get an opinion if anyone sees this as I do? He says he believes in OSAS, but he wanted to help me "restore" my relationship with God. Bill has claimed that I've never been saved, that I'm going to hell, so if he believes that, how can he help me restore something I've never had or something I have lost? As I said, to be able to restore something, you had to have had it at one time & then lost it.

Originally Posted by Magpie:

Semi, this dilemma of yours is so unnecessary and such an easy fix. I’m the only COC on here and he never preaches to me. Why is that? Simply he understands the COC has *****ed every crack of argument using only the Bible and not man-made commentaries or dreamt up ideas. Bill is solid in the faith. His idea of rapture is not supported by the COC nor is the once saved doctrine. My advice to you is to not be bothered and quit with this charade. Nobody could possibly be this concerned about what Bill says . I think he’ a great guy myself.

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My dilemma? Quit this charade? No, you're not the only COC on here, there are at least two more that have mentioned in the past of being COC. I've never said Bill isn't solid in his faith, but I have said he's wrong in his delivery of Christianity. 

Maybe he hasn't preached to you because you've never challenged anything he has said. I've seen Bill run down the belief of the COC, just as he has every religion he doesn't agree with.

My only concern with Bill is the way he is so quick to judge everyone. He has no love/compassion for his fellow man. If you think he's such a great man, then you would have to support his arrogant, judgmental ways of us all. That statement alone says a lot about you. 

Originally Posted by Shoals Resident:

I will only post to the original question.  I do not read all of Bill's postings so I do not know exactly what he has posted that you perceive that he has misinterpreted.  Perhaps Bill used the word "relationship" when "fellowship" might have better described what he intended.

You misunderstood the original question, or maybe I didn't explain myself very well. I didn't perceive that he misinterpreted anything. If he believes I'm going to hell, which he has often said, believes in OSAS, then how can he help me "restore" my relationship with God?

He used the word he intended to use. In my opinion, to have "fellowship" with someone, you would have to have somewhat of a "relationship" to begin with.

Originally Posted by HomesickGirl:

Not belittling if you state the facts.

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What if the facts that person is stating is untrue?

 

(Belittling is used to disparage a person, to put them in a negative light, with the intent to make them seem less than they are)

 

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

Most of you people are still addicted to being duped.

Addicted as in, duped over and over by the same ridiculous posts.

Billie-jo laughs about the scams, but I'm sure he's laughing with you.

 

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Addicted to being duped?  Huh???

Oh....."coercion." Nevermind.  Coercion only works on people that allow themselves to be coerced.  I laugh too. They're hilariously entertaining.

 

Semi: 

Every time some GZ tells me to "REPENT!!" (Somebody yelled that to me from the corner of Locust & W. Irvine yesterday), I tell 'em I wasn't pent in the first place. I don't need to be re-pent.

 

Pray/don't pray.....worship/don't worship......believe/disbelieve.....I personally don't think it has any bearing whatsoever on the final outcome of things.  All it can do is make ya feel better while yer still here about eventually not being here.

 

What BeeG is doing is like arguing whether Harry Potter beats Gandalf, or whether Klingons beat Kardassians.  What does it matter?  They're all made-up anyway.

 

I think BeeG is telling you (and everybody else) with all his might that his magic beats our magic because I think he really needs to keep convincing himself of it as well. (Him being a fairly recent convert to the magic and all). He's a scared old man-afraid of death 'cause he may or may not be getting close to it.  I'm guessing he's trying to hedge his bet the only way he knows how. 

 

Like I keep saying-Nobody really wants to die. Life, we know, death is scary unknown stuff. All we know is what it looks like from the outside and it scares the crap outta us-So we tend to make up stuff about it that isn't so scary.

 

If ya really believe in something-It isn't necessary to constantly try to reinforce the belief.  It just IS.

 

I say believe whatever gets ya through a day. Ta heck with what BeeG tells ya. All he needs to worry about is his own ass and all you gotta think about is yours in that respect.

 

Who tha heck is HE to tell ya you're doing it wrong? Who is ANYBODY to tell ya that? Whadda they know?

 

My advice: Don't waste another minute of your life running in tight little circles building your coffin. Live now while you're still here.

 

If there's a god and he's as just and compassionate as they say-I'm pretty sure he'll understand.

If not-Then at least you'll die knowing that you truly lived.

 

 

But then.....What do *I* know?

 

 

/shrug

 

 

 

 


 

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