America Is A Nation "WITH" Immigrants - Not A Nation "OF" Immigrants!

I guess because it's politics we can find common ground.

My family goes back more than five generations on both sides.

I am an American like many others. Just because Obama considers himself an immigrant,

doesn't mean all of us were born in Kenya.(By the way nice job on the birth certificate, it

looks real.) Anyway not only do we have illegal immigrants looking for something better

than the lands they were born in. We have gangsters and terrorists that want nothing but

to destroy our way of life, pouring over the border. Obama is a disgrace to this great

country. We have got to bring him and the rest of his socialist/ communists down in these

upcoming elections. I don't want to learn Spanish, Arabic or Ebonics.

Skippy

Try learnin  English. 

My family goes back more than five generations on both sides.

I am an American like many others. Just because Obama considers himself an immigrant,

doesn't mean all of us were born in Kenya.(By the way nice job on the birth certificate, it

looks real.) Anyway not only do we have illegal immigrants looking for something better

than the lands they were born in. We have gangsters and terrorists that want nothing but

to destroy our way of life, pouring over the border. Obama is a disgrace to this great

country. We have got to bring him and the rest of his socialist/ communists down in these

upcoming elections. I don't want to learn Spanish, Arabic or Ebonics.

Skippy

Oh Ditto you misspelled learning.

Why the constant rehash of the same issues???  If the fedgov wanted to seal the southern border, it sold be done tomorrow, but there are wealthy folks that contribute to campaigns that do not want cheap labor eliminated.  Thats all there is to it.  The economies of labor are the same here as elsewhere, like China, where the vast supply of cheap labor has created the largest middle class on Earth.  Who was the first president to proffer the idea of amnesty???

Ditto talk about someone needing to learn English.

I rehash these issues because the Federal Gov't is not enforcing the laws of this country.

When States try to pass laws to protect themselves from being overwelmed by illegal Immigrants,

the Feds.(Eric Holder) ties the States up in court. This, along with the costs of Illegal Immigrants,

is destroying the states budgets. Also it's a matter of National Security. I don't agree with

Ronald Reagan on the amnesty he gave. And I certainly don't agree with the idea of current

amnesty.

Skippy

America is a nation of people whose ancestors took what they wanted from the natives whether the natives liked it or not.  Then they proceeded to take other people by force from their native lands to come here and work for no pay.  Thankfully we are on a path of change that attempts to form "a more perfect government."

So did the Indians my friend.

You don't think the Indian's didn't attack other tribes and take what they wanted?

War and cruelty wasn't invented by the white man. It's been going on from the time

Cain slue Able. So one tribe massacred another tribe and so on. Then came the white

man just playing the same game. If you feel you owe the Indians anything, write a check.

The only change going on now is an attempted communist take over.

It will not succeed.

Skippy

I don't think that you can take out all the illegal aliens and immigrants out of America. It will cost millions of dollar. You might can take some of us out, but YOU CAN'T GET RID OF ALL OF US. I really can't imagine America without illegal immigrants or aliens. 

If the illegal aliens were potential Republican voters, Obama would be building a network of bullet train tracks to the border. 

The U.S.A. is a nation of immigrants and descendants of immigrants who became Americans. The issue is with illegal aliens.

Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:

Originally Posted by Reynaldo:

I don't think that you can take out all the illegal aliens and immigrants out of America. It will cost millions of dollar. You might can take some of us out, but YOU CAN'T GET RID OF ALL OF US. I really can't imagine America without illegal immigrants or aliens. 

Enforcing our laws would be a good start. That would git rid of a bunch of you criminals. Then at the borders mabey we could stop your cousins. A criminal is someone who breaks our laws. That my friend would make you a criminal. There are people that wait years, and play by the rules that are citizens that despise people like you that suck the life blood out of our great country.

Skippy         

 Sure, you might can consider us criminals, but I don't see anything wrong with trying to have a better life by working hard and doing jobs nobody else wants to do. The only criminals America really needs to watch are the gangster and killers. Every nationality has their killers and gangsters, and you cannot say that they do not. But like I said, it would cost millions to get rid of all of us. And maybe in Alabama you can get rid of most of us, but not in my home state California you won't! Nor in New York City or Chicago or Houston! And you guys know it!

 

You are breaking a law, so yes you are a criminal. I won't dispute the fact that a lot of illegals are hard working and just looking for a better life. However, we do have laws and legal ways to get into this country. If the laws need to be changed that's one thing, but until they do you need to abide by the ones we have. We will have no respect for you until you do.

This nation is a nation of immigrants that is being taken over by illegal immigrants. If you want to make a better life for yourself that is great! Do it like everyone else had to by LEGALLY obtaining U.S. citizenship instead of stealing it.

I nor any American citizen cannot help what other governments do to their people or allow drug cartels do to their people. 

There are also more constructive ways for you to have a better life in your own country by choosing to help fix the problem instead of running away from it. This may seem a little cold hearted but that is what I would do even if I had to die to make my country better for my family.  

Build a true double walled fence such as they have on the California border across the entire border, legalize marijuana and enforce laws against hiring illegals, and the problem would mostly be solved.  Then, the number of legals could be increased -- people that we actually need, vetted.

Hi all,

Take a look at the new discussion titled "Reynaldo, Let's Talk About Illegal Immigrants!"

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Bullocks...Our minimum wage is not "cheap labor" on the world market...it's actually "expensive" labor.

As far as a "nation of immigrants"...with my Heinz 57 background, I'm not sure what nation I would belong to...other than my "native" land...the US...so NO, technically we are NOT a nation of immigrants...

Originally Posted by Reynaldo:

Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:

Originally Posted by Reynaldo:

I don't think that you can take out all the illegal aliens and immigrants out of America. It will cost millions of dollar. You might can take some of us out, but YOU CAN'T GET RID OF ALL OF US. I really can't imagine America without illegal immigrants or aliens. 

Enforcing our laws would be a good start. That would git rid of a bunch of you criminals. Then at the borders mabey we could stop your cousins. A criminal is someone who breaks our laws. That my friend would make you a criminal. There are people that wait years, and play by the rules that are citizens that despise people like you that suck the life blood out of our great country.

Skippy         

 Sure, you might can consider us criminals, but I don't see anything wrong with trying to have a better life by working hard and doing jobs nobody else wants to do. The only criminals America really needs to watch are the gangster and killers. Every nationality has their killers and gangsters, and you cannot say that they do not. But like I said, it would cost millions to get rid of all of us. And maybe in Alabama you can get rid of most of us, but not in my home state California you won't! Nor in New York City or Chicago or Houston! And you guys know it!

 

You are breaking a law, so yes you are a criminal. I won't dispute the fact that a lot of illegals are hard working and just looking for a better life. However, we do have laws and legal ways to get into this country. If the laws need to be changed that's one thing, but until they do you need to abide by the ones we have. We will have no respect for you until you do.

I know you guys consider us criminals, because we are breaking a law. But what are you talking about that we don't have respect? Maybe the Middle Eastern people don't have respect for America, but I'm talking about Latinos. Latinos didn't destroy the Twin Towers. It's because of our religion and what we believe in. And we abide by the laws here, or else the 12 million or more illegal Latinos here would be in Jail. But guess what they are not all in jail? U know why? BECAUSE THEY ABIDE BY THE LAWS!

BRAVO SIERRA!

Please explain to me how the number of legals would increase. Illegals aliens are humans, and you cannot say that they didn't help build this country. America needs them. If you think about it, some small towns(Russellville, AL) are mostly Illegal aliens (more specifically Latinos) and if you get rid of them all, that town will collapse. Business will go down, and the population will also. People would move in to that town? Maybe, or maybe not. 

If, as you say, you came to the US as an illegal, crossing the border in an illegal manner then you did break the law but many natural born Americans break the laws also.  Many drive illegal, drive too fast, drive under the influence, lie and/or cheat on their taxes.  If, as you say, you crossed the border I can assume you did it for your family or to better your life.  To me though there are other factors that should be considered, by all, when looking at the problem.

First (if you are what you indicate you are) you seem to be very well versed in English.  IF a person comes to the country, makes attempts to learn and use the language then obtains work and pays taxes, as any other citizen then I consider them far differently than someone that comes here because of a criminal record as many did when Castro dumped criminals into our country just to get rid of them.  If the immigrant (legal or illegal) makes this their country would fight for this country and adopts the country learning the language and attempts to do as any other legal citizen does then I believe that should be considered.  The greatest grievance, in my mind, that they have committed is against others who seek to immigrate to the country using the legal process. 

If though a person immigrates to the country caring not to learn the language, seeks to take advantage of benefits they did not earn with only the intention of taking everything they have back to their home country and cares nothing for America then I look at that person much differently than the person who seeks to learn the language, seeks to be an American get a job, work and pay taxes and abide by the laws once they are here.  Their offense is crossing the border illegally but who can blame a person for seeking a better lot for their family and themselves as most of us would do the same if in that same situation.  If the border can be made secure then do so but for those who abide by the law, have learned the language and became law abiding working people seeking to make this their home certain provisions should be made for these people to allow them a path to legal citizenship without having to return back to where they came from.

In many cases they will, once provided that legal path, take advantage of legitimate offers to assist them and once citizens will be more loyal and appreciative than natural born citizens who, many, take for granted the rights and benefits we already have and are born with.  It is a problem, remains a problem and doubtful that it will go away on it's own.  It is also something that our Government has to handle both federal and state levels.  In handling it they should not run people into hiding but provide them a legitimate path to citizenship and a way to become law abiding citizens who will contribute to society and being an American.

That's just my opinion on the matter

I would have NO PROBLEM with the majority of the Hispanic immigrants in OUR country IF they would abide by the LAWS and go through the process to enter OUR country LEGALLY.  It IS possible to do so.  As for Russellville...I'm just glad my grandfather isn't alive to see what has happened to Franklin County.

No i am not an illegal alien, like i said my home state is California. I am talking for my parents,aunts,uncles,and other cousins that are illegal. Im just trying to say, IF THEY ARE NOT LITERALLY BOTHERING YOU, THEN YOU SHOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT THEM. Illegal Hispanic immigrants are just here to work, and make a better living. You people think it's easy to learn another language when you are old. It's not. You think we don't care about learning the language, then you are wrong my friend. Yes it's possible to learn a new language, but it is difficult to learn when you are old (it is easier to learn a language when you are younger or a baby). Yeah there is a process to become a citizen, but do you know how long that takes? And yes we care about America, that is why we are in the army, clean your houses, build your homes and offices, and mostly everything else. America needs more doctors,nurses,physicians? Do you know how many Illegal students in the state of California have the knowledge to become a doctor but simply can't because they don't have a green card? To me that's just stupid not letting a person care for someone else's health because of not having a green card.

And how do they affect you? Are they coming to your home and stealing your stuff? Do they literally bother you? What is your problem with them? Are they not helping your community grow and also the business grow? Like I said, if you take out the Illegals in Russellville, then I Am pretty sure that that town will collapse. And i don't think people would want to live there or even go there. U think other people would want to leave there towns and homes(Muscle Shoals, Florence, Sheffield, Tuscumbia) to go to a little village called Russellville? I DONT THINK SO. And there are other places similar to Russelville, in other states too. Ft. Payne, AL; Albertville, AL; Melrose Park, Illinois. 

Illegals are draining our already misused/misapplied social resources.  They are a drain on our public education system.  They are a drain on our law enforcement personnel.  They are a drain on our already over burdened judicial system. They are a drain on our emergency medical services. Shall I continue?

Don't U.S. citizens misuse social resources,emergency medical services, your already burdened judicial system. Sure not all of them, and also not all the Illegals. They are a drain on your public eduction system? How? Do you know how many Illegal students in the state of California have the knowledge to become a doctor but simply can't because they don't have a green card? To me that's just stupid not letting a person care for someone else's health because of not having a green card.

Rules/laws are in place to allow for LEGAL immigration into the USA.  The line forms to the right......

There is no line.  And if you think illegals are going to go through a process that takes a long time for them to be a citizen, then you are crazy. They rather just come in and work and make a better community instead of dealing with all that PAPERWORK!

So... Reynaldo, you very succinctly just described a group of people who do not respect the laws of the nation, or at least seem to be under the mistaken notion that the may choose which laws to obey. Thank you for clarifying that for everyone. As far as "making a better community", are these folks assimilating or are they ghettoizing themselves?

No. They are not bothering you so you shouldnt worry about them. Unless they are coming into your house and destroying property then yes. Oh and i Know a truck load of Illegals that have helped out people in Alabama's tornado destruction by bringing them hot food,water,boots, and everything else. You think any of those people rejected their food or unwelcomed them? NO,they took the food and said God Bless You.

Assimilating. And its not that they dont respect the laws, its just that it takes a long time to become a citizen. I know these people personally, and what their intentions are. Nobody leaves their home country to go to another to kill people, to disrespect anyone,and to form gangs. Your kids are probably in a gang. They come here to work and have a better life. Every nationality has their own people that break laws.For example, people do marijuana. Is it legal? No it's not, but people still do it. What kind of people do it? Whites,Blacks,Browns, everybody does it. That is just an example. Do you think there is time to deport and care for all the illegals? No.

Hi Reynaldo,

Please see my response in the new discussion titled "Should Illegal Immigrants From South Of The Border Be Given Special Treatment?"

God bless, have a blessed day,

Bill

No. They are not bothering you so you shouldnt worry about them.

In the REAL WORLD, there are (3) classes of individuals: sheep, wolves and sheep dogs.  You are clearly a sheep.

No im not. Im just standing up for my people that's all. And if you have so much hatred against hard working people then go ahead and deport all the Illegals in this country and i will give you props. But only then.

The statement is made many times, on this forum, that if they are not bothering you, coming into your house, effecting you then you should not bother or care. 

The fact is that every illegal does effect every US Household if not directly then indirectly.  Many companies are required, forced, to publish materials as bilingual because there are many that will not make the efforts to learn the language.  This additional cost of publishing or re-publishing material effects that companies bottom line and they in turn raise prices to make up for it.  The higher prices do effect other people.  What about when they require medical care?  I hear of many illegal immigrants that come to the Emergency Rooms and use them as a doctor's office because they will nor or cannot go to a doctor's office.  This routinely causes great delay in the Emergency rooms and very few  if any reimburse the Hospital for their expense and cost. Those charges are then having to be made up by local and federal taxes and/or higher Hospital cost for treatment of legalized people.  This also effects people, including myself so yes, it is a direct effect upon me, here in Alabama so I feel justified in my comments.

Just because these people don't physically come into my house doesn't mean they don't directly effect me and my life for there are indirect cost and effects.  Someone mentioned about truckloads of immigrants driving to Phil Campbell helping.  That is truly admirable of them but my wife has a husband who was down there helping out describing how the sheriff and local officials were seeking several men described as Mexicans or illegals going along the road picking up and taking appliances and caught taking clothing and other items that they could get.  These were not helping but there are also many American people that are doing the same for crime is not limited to one race or nationality, just like helping isn't.

It doesnt affect you directly. That's why many companies are hiring bilingual people. There are more Hispanic American citizens that are employers,doctors,teachers,ect. If you live in Alabama, then you might not see this as much. But If you go to other states with a more diverse population(California,Texas,Arizona,Illinois,New York,Florida,ect.) you will see this. As for the Mexicans "stealing", well they might have been trying to get supplies for their families, just like everybody else in that area is trying to do. And why did they assume that they were illegal? they could of been U.S. born citizens. They could of looked like me; im a U.S. born citizen, but I look Mexican because my parents are Mexican, which makes me Mexican American. They could of benn Mexican American. But im sure if the sheriffs saw white people picking up appliances and clothes, they probably would of thought they needed it cause they lost their appliances and clothes. And i know there is a lot of Americans helping out, but i said that there are also Illegal Aliens helping out too.