American protestors are the new Palestinians

As the War on Terror winds down in the mideast, the military industrial complex will need to find new customers for their weapons, and every police department is a potential customer. 

Texas Gov. Rick Perry has supported expanding the use of domestic drones along the border with Mexico. In October, the Sheriff's Department in Montgomery County, north of Houston, bought a $300,000 ShadowHawk drone from Vanguard Defense industries using federal homeland security grant funds.

Cops love to bring out their toys to go after the small time pot user.  But, when they went after Whitey Bulger, a known killer that had many guns to his disposal, they simply called him on the phone and said that someone had hit his car and he came right outside, unarmed, and when confronted by the popo, he complied and was arrested without any gun shots, broken doors, or even the need for a SWAT team...

How could anything go wrong...you give a bunch or marginalized people all the weapons and steroids they can handle and just hope that not too many people are killed or hurt. 

The Palestinians shoot up and crap in the street too?

Palis throw stones and grenades, and sport belt bombs.

Investigate the Zionist invasion of Palestine. You'll see why they are resorting to time-honored guerrilla warfare tactics against a superior enemy.

Prior to the British Mandate of Palestine, established by the League of Nations in 1922, the state of Israel did not exist. Israel did not come into existence as an independent state until May 1948 in the midst of war when hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were expelled or fled from their homes while not being allowed a right of return to them. This problem has been further compounded because instead of sharing the land with the Palestinians as envisaged in numerous peace agreements, Israel has done everything it can to prevent the Palestinians from being in a position to form an independent state in East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and Gaza. Israel has done this by maintaining its 44-year military occupation, colonizing Palestinian lands with settlements, assassinating and imprisoning Palestinian leaders, blocking Palestine's bid to become a member of the UN, and withholding funds to UNESCO, which recently admitted Palestine as a member-state.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...nians_b_1154539.html

Palestine is a former British administration zone invaded by Eastern European Zionist refugees who had no tie to the area other than sharing a religion with some who came from there 2000 years ago. 

Jews are actually not even the modern descendents of the Israel of the Biblical Old Testament:

According to both the early-20th-century popular historian H.G.Wells and the Hungarian-Jewish intellectual and author Arthur Koestler, amongst numerous others, the people known today as Jews are primarily the descendents of a Turkish tribe known as the Khazars. The Khazars have no historical connection to Palestine. They converted to Judaism between 620 and 740AD, and have no genetic connection to biblical Israel, and hence to the narratives of the Bible and the "Holy Land". Koestler actually devoted an entire book called The Thirteenth Tribe (1976) [ZIP file, 471 KB] to the fact that the Jews of eastern European origin, who are known as the Ashke**** Jews and who make up about 95% of the Jewish population of today, are of Khazar origin. In other words — virtually all of the Jews of the modern world have no Hebrew ancestry, and no ancient connection with Palestine.

http://www.matterofprinciple.n...st-jews-have-to.html

http://www.serialno3817131.com/index.html

Whoever heard of a blond-haired, blue-eyed Semite? Check out some other Israeli followers of the Hebrew religion on the website under the picture. Most of them look like exactly what they are: Caucasian Europeans without the slightest hint of Semitic ancestry. They are European invaders of the ancestral Semitic homeland of actual Semitic Palestinians, taken by force and acquiesced to by the world.

Thus far, the world hasn't offered the Palestinians somebody else's country to invade and conquer in order to settle in and oppress the native people. Until then, they still resist Israeli bulldozing their villages and shooting their young men -- by all the means available to an oppressed people running a resistance movement on a shoestring.

Propagandist, you might need to rethink that stuff about the Khazars:

"The theory that the majority of Ashke**** Jews are the descendants of the non-Semitic converted Khazars was advocated by various racial theorists^[43][44] and antisemitic sources^{[44][45][46][47]} in the 20th century, especially following the publication of Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe. Despite recent genetic evidence to the contrary,^[48] and a lack of any real mainstream scholarly support, this belief is still popular among groups such as the Christian Identity Movement, Black Hebrews, British Israelitists and others (particularly Arabs^[49][50][51]) who claim that they, rather than Jews, are the true descendants of the Israelites, or who seek to downplay the connection between Ashke**** Jews and Israel in favor of their own. For more detail on this controversy, see below."

\\Source:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars

See also:  http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/43026_Doron.pdf

"Both the extent and location of the maternal ancestral deme from which the Ashke**** Jewry arose remain obscure. Here, using complete sequences of the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), we show that close to one-half of Ashke**** Jews, estimated at 8,000,000 people, can be traced back to only 4 women carrying distinct mtDNAs that are virtually absent in other populations,with the important exception of low frequencies among non-Ashke**** Jews. We conclude that four founding mtDNAs, likely of Near Eastern ancestry, underwent major
expansion(s) in Europe within the past millennium."

Considering the fact that American police are being trained by Israeli Defense Forces, then to try to draw a parallel between Occupy protesters and Palestinians with bombs strapped to their chests is a bit too much over-the-top melodrama. The truth is, with their new Israeli training, police are like little boys with new toys and want to try them out. 

Plus, I find the fact that police are taught to teach demonstrators exercising their Constitutional rights as "terrorists." Maybe Israelis don't have any constitutional rights, and their police can act any way they want to. But that should not be the case in this country.

What else within a person's rights might the police be tempted to label "terrorism," and apply such brutal techniques as boggles the mind? If our police ever reach the point of the IDF in their disregard of basic human rights, then our police will no longer be our friends. They are well on their way to that point already. 

I thought the theory a bit strange, but there were Khazars at the place and time specified. Considering the proponents of the story, and the lack of serious dispute, I found it at least credible.

If there is now DNA evidence, then I'll have to look at it. Thanks for the info.

Propagandist and Contendah have finally openly joined their predecessors such as Goebbels and Propagandastaffel.  The old canard that Jews are Khazars is the line used by the NSDAP, their successors, the Jehadim and many other anti-Semitic groups.  Be proud, break out you Swastikas and your white sheets. You've finally come out of the closet.

And, join your good buddy David Duke.  http://davidduke.comwww.resist...owthread.php?p=30354

As to the blonde blue eyed jews, that's from marriage to northern Europeans.  In case you missed it, the Jews in north central Europe experienced a great population decrease.  Most of it was not from migration.  Khazars weren't noted for being blondes.   

I do no see how anyone can take what these two say seriously, anymore.  Their true colors are shining through. 

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You need to read these things more carefully, interventor.  What I posted is distinctly in opposition to the notion that Jews, or at least the Ashke**** element of them, are non-Semitic Khazars.  If you had read my post intelligently, you would have seen that I am disagreeing with Propagandist.  The paper that I cited strongly disputes the theories of the Christian Identity crowd, David Duke and other racist nutjobs. It includes, for example, THIS finding:

"In the Ashke**** Jews, this approach enabled us to reconstruct a detailed phylogenetic tree for the major Ashke**** Hgs K and N1b, allowing the detection of a small set of only four individual female ancestors, likely from a Hebrew/Levantine mtDNA pool, whose descendants lived in Europe and

carried forward their particular mtDNA variants to 3,500,000 individuals in a time frame of !2 millennia." (emphasis added)

 Your sloppy misinterpretation of what I posted suggests a good  reason for no one to take YOU seriously any more.

Abraham Lincoln once asked someone who like to play with words "If we call a dog's tail a "leg," how many legs would he have?"

"Five," replied the other fellow. 

Lincoln summed up the other fellow's confusion. "No, the dog still has four legs. A tail is still a tail. Calling a tail a "leg" doesn't turn it into one."

So, despite whatever wordplay anybody wants to engage in, this dog still only has four legs. HA!

Next up:

Anybody who still disbelieves that American cops have been schooled in, and are using, torture against American citizens who are exercising their Constitutional rights in demonstrating against the status-quo needs to read this:

YASHA LEVINE RELEASED FROM JAIL, EXPOSES LAPD’S APPALLING TREATMENT OF DETAINED OCCUPY LA PROTESTERS…

First off, don’t believe the PR [bs]. There was nothing peaceful or professional about the LAPD’s attack on Occupy LA–not unless you think that people peacefully protesting against the power of the financial oligarchy deserve to be treated the way I saw Russian cops treating the protesters in Moscow and St. Petersburg who were demonstrating against the oligarchy under Putin and Yeltsin, before we at The eXiled all got tossed out in 2008. Back then, everyone in the West protested and criticized the way the Russian cops brutally snuffed out dissent, myself included. Now I’m in America, at a demonstration, watching exactly the same brutal crackdown…

http://exiledonline.com/yasha-...age-1/#comment-40511

"As to the blonde blue eyed jews, that's from marriage to northern Europeans."

I was under the impression that Jews weren't real big on that intermarriage thing.

If that's true, that actual Semitic have intermarried almost out of existence, then that means that we can't count on any Jews being real, actual Semitic Hebrews who have a legitimate claim to the Holy Land. And that just reinforces my contention the Zionists are nothing more than invaders who have conquered a space, displacing the original inhabitants, and attempt to beat them down into submission whenever they raise their voice in protest.

Looks like the Oakland PD learned all their lessons, doesn't it?

Contendah,

I withdraw my statements  on your posts.  I see now that you were not supporting Propagandist. 

You shouldn't worry about it Interventor. Contendahs dialect of "hot air" is only understood by Liberals.

Propagandist,

It seems history passed you by!  Else, you would have heard of the diaspora about 2,000 years ago, when the Romans destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem and  caused most of the Jews to be dispersed throughout the world. 

I see you insist upon racial purity for Jews.  Sorry, but after 2,000 years that's hard to maintain.  DNA markers have shown groups in India and Ethiopia to be have Jewish ancestry.  Many form Ethiopia were evacuated by air by the US and Israel to Israel to protect them from attack.

Under the Mosaic code Jews were matrilineal.  If the mother was Jewish, the child was Jewish.  

As the Palis are Arabs, they could not be the original inhabitants.  Arabs burst out of the Arabian peninsula around 700 AD on their mission of conquest and religious conversion.  In Egypt, for instance, the original inhabitants, whose ancestors built the pyramids, are Coptic.  Now, they are only 10 percent of the population.

Now, go back to you little collection of memorabilia -- empty canisters of Zyklon-B, perhaps a demitasse spoon from the Eagle's Nest (mitHakenkreuz, natürlich) and other pitiful remnants.

How do you deniers reconcile the Zyklon-B!

I am not insisting on any kind of purity for the Jews. I was under the impression they had made that decision for themselves. If they have changed their mind, they haven't publicized the fact. I was certainly unaware of it.

There have been some cat-calls directed at me for using cut and paste. That is because I sometimes rely on the scholarship and research of others whom I took, perhaps mistakenly, to be more knowledgeable about a subject than myself. For not doing my usual complete, thorough, and exhaustive scientific study of the matter, possibly leading to some error in interpretation on my part, I humbly ask you to forgive my benign neglect leading to a minor point of error.

As for who is an Arab, there is not one single definition. Like Kleenex, the specific has become the generic. It may have originally referred to just inhabitants of the Arabian peninsula. But no longer. As you point out, after the 700s AD, just like the generic Jew you mention, there is also the generic Arab.

Arab people, also known as Arabs (Arabic: <big>عرب</big>‎, ʿarab), are a panethnicity^[13] primarily living in the Arab world, which is located in Western Asia and North Africa. They are identifiedas such on one or more of genealogical, linguistic, or cultural grounds,^[14] with tribal affiliations, and intra-tribal relationships playing an important part of Arab identity. ^[15]

The word "Arab" has had several different, but overlapping, meanings over the centuries (and sometimes even today). In addition to including all Arabized people of the world (with language tending to be the acid test), it has also at times been used exclusively for bedouin (Arab nomads [although sometimes in the past a related word, "`a-RAB," with the Arabic letter "alif" in the second syllable, was used when this specific meaning was intended] and their now almost entirely sedentary descendants). It is sometimes used that way colloquially even today in some places. Townspeople in the past sometimes were called "sons of the Arabs." As in the case of other ethnicities/nations, people identify themselves (or are identified by others) as "Arabs" to varying degrees. This may or may not be one's primary identity (it tends to compete with country, religion, sect, etc.), and whether or not it is emphasized may vary from time to time and depend on whom one is talking too. For further analysis of the word (thorough and scholarly, though not without its biases), see Bernard Lewis, The Arabs in History, new edition (Oxford University Press, 1993), pp. 3-14 (introduction).

You can read more about this at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_people

As a final point, I think I should mention that your little attempts at condescension do nothing to enhance your efforts at being a serious conversationalist. Juvenile parting shots that have nothing to do with the subject at hand reveal an inability to stay on point and discuss a subject with any seriousness. 

Zyklon-B? Really, now, what prompted that?

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Thank you for your honest response.  The subject matter is difficult, especially the technical paper I posted.  But that paper is the only moderately comprehensive treatment of the subject from a genetics standpoint.  The theory of Arthur Koestler (himself a Jew, though not observant) that the Ashke****m are descendants of Khazars is described in his book, The Thirteenth Tribe. Koestler, a monumentally intelligent and perceptive man, missed the mark this time, apparently hoping that demonstrating  a non-Semitic origin of European Jewry would remove the basis for much of the anti-Semitism that still continued, even after the Holocaust. He underestimated the inanity of anti-Semitism.

Koestler was one of the great thinkers of the 20th Century.  He got so much right; it is sad that he was so wrong on this one.  Some of his best work was his dissection of the behavioral psychologists of his era, in particular B.F. Skinner (he of the infamous 'Skinner Box' experimental design).  I do  not remember the exact words, but he lacerated Skinner's  simplistic conclusions with an observation to the effect that Skinner and his kind had failed to recognize differences between the inherent humanity of man and the inherent  "rattiness of the rat."  The discussion of this is found in Koestler's book, "The Ghost in the Machine."

Conversion, which was not mentioned in the discussion, probably accounts for more non-Semitic, non-familial Jews than does intermarriage.

Intermarriage may account for some non-Semitic Jews. But that is a more complicated subject than simple conversion. Upon conversion, a person is immediately kosher and all questions of legitimacy are quashed.

There are questions which arise, however, when intermarriage happens as to whether the child is a kosher Jew or a mamzer (a child from a forbidden marriage). Some of the complications of such marriages are discussed at http://data.ccarnet.org/cgi-bin/respdisp.pl?file=62&year=arr .

The child of a Jewish mother is of biological descent. You are correct: The child of a Jewish mother is considered a Jew. Also, the Talmud states emphatically that there is no difference between an adopted child and a child who was born into the household, and the genealogical tables in the Bible do not attempt to identify anyone as an "adopted son.” 

But to inherit the land, there are different, patrilineal rules. The sons inherit from the father. Deuteronomy. 21:15-17.

The only way a daughter could inherit the land is if her father had no sons. And, if a daughter did inherit her father’s land, she could only marry someone from the same tribe. That was to ensure that the land did not pass to her husband’s tribal inheritance, so “every Israelite shall keep the tribal land inherited from his forefathers.” Numbers 36 (NIV).

In Jewish law, sometime after the dispersion in AD 70 when Jews lost possession of the Holy Land, the rules changed so that the religious status of a child was derived from the mother instead of the father, because in many cases the identity of the father was unknown. But that does change the fact that, if the original claims to the land from over 2000 years are still considered valid, which may give some Israelis a legitimate claim, there can be no land claim based purely on matrilineal descent, because the Torah laws of land inheritance have not changed. The mother was not considered at all in land inheritance, except to determine if the child was kosher or a mamzer. And if the rules changed after AD 70 to determine whether a child was a Jew to a purely matrilineal determination – with the Jewishness of the father not even in the equation – then it logically follows that no Jew after AD 70 can have a legitimate claim to the land, because the status of the father has become irrelevant.

So, as far as having a claim to the Holy Land, it matters not that a Jewish mother married a gentile father and bore a kosher Jewish son. If the father had no claim to the land, neither does the son.

So, I repeat: No Jew after AD 70 can be considered to have a legitimate claim to the land.

In international law, there are three ways to acquire territory: Cession by treaty, purchase, or conquest. In the return of the Jews by Palestine, they have the land by right of conquest only. That does not make it rightfully legitimate, but it does make it a fact. Once they have established a sovereign government over the territory, then they should expect to abide by the usual conventions of behavior between nations if they want to avoid being labeled a “rogue regime” to be subjected to international sanctions and/or interventions of force.

My sources for this  discussion on whether the child is born a kosher Jew and certain other marriage and legitimacy rules can be found at:

http://data.ccarnet.org/cgi-bin/respdisp.pl?file=62&year=arr

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F

http://www.annomundi.com/bible/virgin_birth.htm

Also, (and this is important, so listen up!), if I were to follow your model for posting replies, I would have held you in derision from the very first, so as to reduce the likelihood that you should be taken seriously and to establish that any and all you have to say is to be considered by one and all to be foolish and silly.

Then, in closing, at this point I would insert some completely inconsequential demeaning remark that is absolutely irrelevant to the subject being discussed. I would make it as distasteful as possible to anyone reading this post, inserting some malevolent descriptive adjectives as “****” or “Klan.” That would be to make sure that, even if dismissive pronouncements at the outset didn’t do the trick, the last few might succeed in convincing others that, even if you are not the enemy of all humanity, you are at least the scum of the earth to steer widely of if your presence is detected.

But I won’t do that. You know why? Because I am liberally-minded. No matter how inconsequential someone might appear on the radar screens of the rich and the powerful and the influential, I think each person has worth – simply because he exists as a fellow human being. He is entitled to a certain amount of respect due to that status alone, and only he can throw it away by the deliberate intent of his own words and actions.

A society should be judged by how it treats the least among it: The young; the old; the sick, infirm and disabled; and, yes, even those in prison. Even a slight reading of the teachings of the person identified in the Christian Bible as Messiah, Lord and Savior agrees with that. And Jesus Christ is not alone when he teaches that a person’s respect is earned when he shows respect toward others. Other religions also maintain that a person should always consider his words and actions in light of the effect they may have on others.

In helping others, in the end you also help yourself. A person living a narrow-minded, self-centered, and selfish life does damage, to not only others, the society we live in, and the planet we live on, but also ultimately to his own self -- because, in the end, simply by his own words and actions he will find himself utterly and completely all alone, except perhaps for others just like him. But even that will be no help because, even then, in the end it will be each one, individually, against all the rest. Now that sounds like Hell to me.

And, that my friend, is why I choose to be a liberal. My way of living might not bring Heaven on Earth. But, at least, it's not running toward Hell!

Thank you and have a nice day!

Propagandist,

You're last two posts are perfect examples of deflection.

When called out not only by myself but others on the Khazar question, you crab walk away from it.  You planted your flag with the most reprehensible of beliefs -- live with it.  You attempted to spread the idea that present days Jews are actually Khazars -- posing as old Testament Jews, a conspracy worldwide and over a thousand years old.  Even Extra was find this incredulous.

Shall we hear next of the Protocols of Zion, the poisoning of wells and how matzo is really made!  You raise the topic, placing yourself among the like of David Duke, the editors of Propagandastaffel, the worst of the jehadim. I did not place you among them -- you move in, set up your tent, and planted your banner amongst them.

My statements were not a cheap parting shot, but an inquiry!  As you've place yourself among the deniers, I really want to know why so many collect used Zyklon-B canisters?

As to present day Israel, the Jews bought land and settled there under the laws of the Ottoman Empire, and later the British mandate.  When the Brits left, they defended themselves.  Arabs who stayed were not cast out of Israel.  They are still there with the right to vote, serve in the Knesset and practice the same freedoms as their Jewish brethren.  Other Arabs, such as Lebanese Christians and the Druze sought and were given refuge in Israel.  Arabs do not have to serve in the Army, but some such as the Druze demanded the right to serve. And,it was granted.  While the Druze consider themselves Muslims, other Muslims consider them apostates, worth of death.

As to the left, the most self centered, infantile persons I seen are the left.  In the EU, they are screaming for more and more,, when there isn't anymore.  

American protestors are the new Palestinians

This conflation fails.