Another Chance for Covenant Marriage?

It allso brings up the right to marry more than one woman. Can the fed prevent one from plural marriage constitutionally.

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How long will it take for you to put that mystery on your blog?

S P--Silly Prattle--P S

Actually, I'm not sure what blog/online news site semi is referencing, but I hear Trader wants to do a "Dead Baby" series. He learned a lot of those jokes in the Coast Guard.

Well no dog fries, but it does open the door for you to move in with billie &

dory. A threesome!!! Boy howdy, do Not send pictures.

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I think you do know.

I hope whoever Trader is that he doesn't ever have a child to die. He wouldn't find it something to tell jokes about. 

It's sad that anyone would even make the kind of statement you just did. Karma can be a bi*ch, & it will bite you in the azz when you least expect it.

And, yes, I've had a baby to die, so I know how it feels.

Silly Prattle...Does it feel anything like you and Best ridiculing my friends who took their lives? They had real lives and value to others. Something no child can have. Obviously I should refrain from answering any of your posts, but that was for my friend Cat. I hope wherever she is she's laughing. Oh, and she had a soul, something you don't even think your child had... How sad.

What about physical or mental abuse?

Jank, I don't remember all the details, but I am thinking that there were only these two exceptions as my co-worker mentioned. It should be easy to look up.

Also, I see people here and on FB keep mentioning polygamy, but what about polyandry? If you have one, you have to have the other. Do I think that's coming soon? No for either one. Most men can't handle one wife, much less four or five. I do think the sects of Mormons who practice that have been brainwashed (the women). I want to ask them if they have any self respect left...

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I see you've decided to add semi to your lie about the claim I ridiculed your friends that took their lives so let's get this straight once and for all.  I was ridiculing you, and you deserve it. You go all to pieces over the color of a dress, even to the extreme of putting in a link so you could show us that someone else agreed with you. All we said about it was that we had never heard there was anything wrong with the color red, and if the outfit was in "good taste", we, instead of worrying about how people were dressed, would be touched that they were there to show their respect, love, and support for us and to our loved ones.

Now you being you, and unable to take disagreement with anything you put out as law, weren't having any of that. Instead of just saying you and some others considered red too festive for a funeral, which BTW many others don't, and letting it go at that, had to bring in the suicides of your friends, and how bloody they were, and how a red dress would remind the family of the death. So yes, I asked you how they would handle anything else that was red. What about funeral flowers? You do know plenty of funeral arrangements have red flowers?

I don't think you're an honest person. Many, many times I've seen you claiming I, or semi, or someone else, posted something we didn't post, or claiming, as in this case, that we did something we did not do. So, honestly, given all the examples of how you "operate", I would tend to believe you made up the story of suicides. Whether you did or didn't make it up, doesn't change the fact that no where, at no time, did i or semi mention, ridicule, or disrespect the dead. 

If your story is true, I'd say it's YOU that disrespected them by bringing their deaths into a discussion about a freaking red dress, and using them to try to win an argument. That's what's really sad.

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Show me, Kate!! Show me where I (or Jenn) ridiculed your friends that committed suicide. You can't, because I didn't. You're just like Bill, in that you'll accuse someone of something, but then can't back it up when ask to prove it.

Show me where I have ever said any child doesn't have a soul. But you can't prove that either. All you're doing is showing the people here that you make accusations that you can't prove, or back up with truth. Until you can show me where I said those things, you're a liar.

How is it that you think a child has no real life and value to others?????

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That was interesting.

Yes, Best, you're the one who used the term "silly prattle" originally, not semi. She just immediately joined in as if you had said nothing inappropriate. I've known many women who have lost a child, including two of my friends who killed themselves. They didn't have to mention it every five seconds.Cold Comfort Farm, anyone?

You're the one who keeps bringing up the red dress at the funeral. I used that example because it was the most INNOCUOUS example I could think of. Silly me, I thought it was something 99% of the population knew. I guess I just wasn't considering the level of education at Colbert Heights and other such schools.

If you think the mention of the suicides of three women is "silly prattle," you are sick. I'm sure if I kowtowed to your belief that any woman who has an abortion is committing murder, you wouldn't feel the need to offer such vicious comments.

And Best, making up the incident of the suicides? I can link the obits of the three women right now. Can you link the obit of the child that died?

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What makes you think Jenn went to school at Colbert Heights? And what would it matter if she did? I have friends with kids that go to school there. You make it sound like something nasty.

Anyone here have kids/family that go to Colbert Heights School?

Kate, I find myself feeling sorry for you. You must be one unhappy, miserable human being. Sad.......

The part of that remark that was aimed at Best was "schools like it." I wonder who comes across as sadder: the person who calls a woman who had an abortion a "murderer" or one who's willing to help her get back on track without recriminations?

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What child would that be?

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No kate, again you lie. I consider your little rant about a red dress and blood to be "silly prattle". As is just about everything you post.

Kate, the abortions I speak of ARE murder. And just because you claim you support it because your god hasn't told you the baby has a soul doesn't change my opinion of murder. Some people who believe in souls might just read some of your mess and decide you don't have one.

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Kate, care to show me or anyone else where I said all women that have abortions are murderers?  What I actually posted is that a woman with no health issues, that goes into an abortion clinic to kill a late term viable baby only because she doesn't want it, is a murderer. I stand by that statement. You can help her get back to anywhere you want, but you're still the sadder one and no better than she.

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From the second link you posted there is this testimony from people of covenant marriage.

"The law is so ambigious that most courts will not even HEAR any cases concerning covenant marriages WITHOUT a two year separation AND counseling. Even though the law states you have 3 "outs" (abuse, adultery, and felony conviction resulting in JAIL TIME, it is NOT the case."

"If one member of the marriage does NOT want "out", the court does not even have to hear the case. That is how scary the covenant marriage is, especially when faced with what I was faced with."

"Abuse has to be proven, and it seems only physical abuse is acceptable AND only IF the spouse is beating you up in court. Adultery, the courts will just mandate counseling for two years, and even after the counseling, if one spouse doesn't want a divorce...guess what? You must stay married. Felony, there has to be actual jail time."

"The guy I was married to informed me that as long as he doesn't hit me with a closed fist, it is NOT abuse. And it would not result in a felony arrest. And even if it DID, as long as HE didn't want to divorce, guess what? I would not get a divorce. And this is how the courts here are interpreting the law. It is scary and frightening."

"Not only that, but in cases such as mine, the future bride to be is emotionally blackmailed into a covenant marriage because "obviously you dont think this will work out and you don't love me enough and you must not want our marriage to work."

"Couples who have signed the covenant marriage have a better chance proving why it is NOT a covenant marriage in the event of a divorce than proving why they should be granted a divorce. Again, keeping in mind that both parties are willing to do that. It only takes one party to argue that point and you could end up screwed either way."

Ahem, this is another case of putting words in my mouth. I have NEVER said that I SUPPORT late term abortions. I have said that I cannot call them murder. There is a big difference. There are many things that I don't support that I'm not going to call a sin because I don't have either the wisdom or all the facts.

Now I have plainly shown you where you have misrepresented what I said. Give me one instance where I have misrepresented what you said and I will address it.

Show you where you misrepresented me? Well heck, doesn't seem to do much good seeing as how I've been doing that all along and you won't address it. Just go back and read my posts again. Why don't you answer a few questions? One being where did semi and I ridicule or even mention your dead friends, and what baby's obit?

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I only posted the links for informational purposes.   I wouldn't enter such a contract.

I didn't mean to imply that you would Canande. I just didnt want to quote your link without siting where the info came from.

Oh sorry jank! long day!

1. This is your remark, and I have a screen shot of it:

The rest of it, the blood and the bloody deaths of your friends is just more of your silly prattle.

BTW, this being a forum, feel free to criticize me, but my three dead friends? They're no longer here to stand up for themselves. No mention of such a loss should be called silly prattle, on which you are the expert. I included semi because she jumped right in.

2. Baby's obit? I have no idea how old the alleged child was. If older than one, it wouldn't  be correctly called a baby, so I certainly may have erred in that reference. Apologies if the supposed child was not a baby. I'm sure it won't be my last mistake in references, but it's hardly intentional or earth shattering.

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And I stand by the statement because I wasn't ridiculing or criticizing them.  It wasn't them that made the statement about blood and red dresses, it was you, and it's you that I was ridiculing for even trying to win your silly argument about a red dress by posting about suicides. I notice you have no answer to my question about red funeral flowers. Again, I have NO idea what baby or child you're speaking of. Where's that post?

Since etiquette isn't everyone's cup of tea, you might want to look up the language of flowers. Red flowers are not red dresses. Red roses mean romantic love, and it's common for the spouse of the deceased to offer a wreath of red roses. Red carnations mean, I believe, fidelity, etc. The language of flowers has nothing to do with appropriate dress.

Did I post the article on not wearing red just to prove a point? No, I posted it since you said you had never heard of such. BTW, the silver-tongued semi called the practice "junk."

The baby's obit? You said you thought my dead friends might not exist. I said I could easily prove they did by posting a link to their obits. Could semi, who mentions her dead child with every other breath (Cold Comfort Farm style) prove it existed? Before you say that's a cruel question, remember you're the one who brought up the subject of "mythical" dead people that were dear to some of us...

Make up your mind kate. First you say red is wrong and inappropriate, then you move on to saying red would remind them of their loved one's death. So if it's the color red that's the problem, it being the color of blood and the suicides being bloody and all, as you posted, they and you should have problems with anything that color at the funeral. By what you've posted we can say you're making fun of semi's dead child. How could what I posted give you the right to attack semi on that? What does it matter how often she posts about it? No, admit it, you thought I'd posted about the child and you were trying to dig at me. Oh well, old miss perfect, knows it all kate made a boo boo. Not your first though, that's about all you do is make boo boos. You also said a child had no life or value to others. Maybe to you yours don't, but I don't feel that way about mine and others, and neither does semi or any other decent human. You think you're so smart when actually you are stupid beyond belief. Another reason to have doubts about your friends' suicides, I doubt you ever had one friend, much less three of them.

As I've said to you before, don't shoot the messenger. If you don't like murder charges, talk to the DA. If you don't like funeral etiquette or flower etiquette, don't blame me. It was in place long before any of us were born.

If debating the actually of a death is "making fun" then you first brought the subject up. I didn't. End of story.

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Maybe; maybe not. Time will tell.

But if polygamy becomes legal in this country, it will create a big dilemma for the mainstream Mormon cult.

There is a powerful argument from documented and indisputable history of the Mormon Church (Church of Jesus Christ  of Latter Day Saints--LDS for short), the so-called "mainstream Mormons," that the LDS would be doctrinally obliged to re-institute plural marriage should that practice become legal in the United States.  The practice was never abolished as a formally-held doctrine of that church. It was merely "suspended" and the basis for that suspension, as explained in official Mormon documentation, was the church's perceived obligation to obey the law of the land, which prohibits polygamy.  

The doctrine of plural marriage was promulgated by Joseph Smith, who claimed to have received it as revelation from God, and who defined it as a "new and everlasting covenant." The church's ploy of "suspending" the practice, after pursuing all available legal recourse in the federal courts, was to weasel around the embarrassment  of actually repealing an "everlasting covenant" only a few decades after the "Prophet" Joseph Smith declared it to be a divine revelation and an obligation that every able Mormon male is obliged to honor.

If indeed polygamy becomes legal in the U.S., then the so-called "fundamentalist Mormons," who never forsook the "new and everlasting covenant," will be vindicated and their plural marriages can be legalized.   At the same time, the LDS Church will face the challenge that its historical action of "suspension" is no longer necessary or even doctrinally justifiable, since the reason for that "suspension" will no longer exist.

And. of course,should "plural marriage" be legalized, others who wish to practice polygamy (or polyandry--one wife with plural husbands) will be free to do so as well, for religious or any other reasons, including plain old lust.

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Yes, it's my opinion that a woman, any woman, [even me] who has an abortion is a murderer. It's an opinion, Kate! It's not saying I'm right & everyone else is wrong. It's what it is.....an opinion!!

I don't know what in the heck you're talking about with your "on track without recriminations" comment. I haven't seen anyone mention anything about recriminations. Where do you get this stuff?

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Where did I first bring it up? If I don't like the murder charges? Has nothing to do with what I like, it's about what's true and what isn't true, it's about a gossip blog calling people murderers when they aren't. And anything "in place" long before you or I were born is subject to change, and again, plenty of people don't go along with that anymore. So go cry to them. Or, patrol the funeral homes and run in and tell everyone you don't think is appropriately dressed how they should do it.