another so-called "progressive"...

And for those who might like to research the quality of information developed by the FBI in the witch-hunting era during which the files on Zinn and hundreds of thousands of "suspect" American citizens were developed, consider reading the monumental book by Haynes Johnson, "The Age of Anxiety," which describes the bizarre commie-hunting mentality of that deranged but powerful individual, J. Edgar Hoover,who wielded inordinate and destructive power for far too long during his leadership of that agency.

It might surprise you just how many suspect communists were identified and tracked by Hoover's minions as they played upon, and indeed encouraged, the paranoia that infested this nation for so many years during the heyday of red-hunting and red-baiting. Many good and patriotic citizens were smeared and vilified by the obsessive inquisitions conducted in this long period of national shame. Hoover was a disgrace.

Typical of many of the Hoover FBI's investigations, their focus on Zinn was often retaliatory, since he had published criticisms of the agency. The Hoover crowd attempted unsuccessfully to have Zinn fired from his university teaching position.

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/07...-criticizing-bureau/

Thank God that J. Edgar Hoover and Joseph McCarthy are long gone and that none of their odious ilk have re-emerged upon the American scene to threaten Constitutional rights and personal liberties in the egregious way that those two did!

Puh-leaze! Zinn was one of the "progressives"(communists) that carefully couched his words to ever keep the truth at bay. Zinn was a communist,get over it and stop carrying water for the "fellow travelers".

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Puh-leaze! Zinn was one of the "progressives"(communists) that carefully couched his words to ever keep the truth at bay. Zinn was a communist,get over it and stop carrying water for the "fellow travelers".

Sure. And J. Edgar Hoover was a consummately ethical disciple of Pure Justice and never abused the power of his office to get at his enemies in academia or the media!

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Originally posted by marksw59:
Puh-leaze! Zinn was one of the "progressives"(communists) that carefully couched his words to ever keep the truth at bay. Zinn was a communist,get over it and stop carrying water for the "fellow travelers".

Sure. And J. Edgar Hoover was a consummately ethical disciple of Pure Justice and never abused the power of his office to get at his enemies in academia or the media!

Hoover is not the topic, and as such irrelevant. Howard Zinn was a communist, you might as well accept it. Nice try though...

The left still can't get over how many of them sold this nation out. Many still can't believe that I.F. Stone was not only a communist, but a spy and recruiter for the NKVD/KGB. Nasty thing the truth, especially when backed up by the KGB files.

The left resurrects J. Edgar Hoover's ghost when their precious past is revealed. However, they don't mention his work against Nazi spies on the US. One day after the Germans declared war on the US, all their agents were rounded up and imprisoned. Hoover protested the internment of Japanese-Americans as unnecessary. He was responsible for infiltrating the Klan and bringing them to justice.

Hoover was an example of someone who stayed in power too long.

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Puh-leaze! Zinn was one of the "progressives"(communists) that carefully couched his words to ever keep the truth at bay. Zinn was a communist,get over it and stop carrying water for the "fellow travelers".

Sure. And J. Edgar Hoover was a consummately ethical disciple of Pure Justice and never abused the power of his office to get at his enemies in academia or the media!

Hoover is not the topic, and as such irrelevant. Howard Zinn was a communist, you might as well accept it. Nice try though...

Hoover is a very significant element in this matter. It was Hoover's FBI that compiled the records on Zinn and construed the interpretations of his actions and affiliations to fit the deranged commie-hunting obsessions of Hoover's time and reign!

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Originally posted by marksw59:
Puh-leaze! Zinn was one of the "progressives"(communists) that carefully couched his words to ever keep the truth at bay. Zinn was a communist,get over it and stop carrying water for the "fellow travelers".

Sure. And J. Edgar Hoover was a consummately ethical disciple of Pure Justice and never abused the power of his office to get at his enemies in academia or the media!

Hoover is not the topic, and as such irrelevant. Howard Zinn was a communist, you might as well accept it. Nice try though...

Hoover is a very significant element in this matter. It was Hoover's FBI that compiled the records on Zinn and construed the interpretations of his actions and affiliations to fit the deranged commie-hunting obsessions of Hoover's time and reign!

Irrelevant. Zinn's own words : “[Life of an Anarchist] is a welcome introduction to the ideas of anarchism,” specifically Anarchist Communism, “which appear more and more relevant in this era of bullying governments, corporate ruthlessness, and endless war.”

He was a commie, with no regard to Hoover.

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Irrelevant. Zinn's own words : “[Life of an Anarchist] is a welcome introduction to the ideas of anarchism,” specifically Anarchist Communism, “which appear more and more relevant in this era of bullying governments, corporate ruthlessness, and endless war.”

He was a commie, with no regard to Hoover.

For what it's worth, Anarcho-Communism (which I don't endorse) is nothing close to the generally accepted definition of communism. Stalin, Mao, Castro et al. did not practice Anarcho-Communism - not even remotely.

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Irrelevant. Zinn's own words : “[Life of an Anarchist] is a welcome introduction to the ideas of anarchism,” specifically Anarchist Communism, “which appear more and more relevant in this era of bullying governments, corporate ruthlessness, and endless war.”

He was a commie, with no regard to Hoover.

For what it's worth, Anarcho-Communism (which I don't endorse) is nothing close to the generally accepted definition of communism. Stalin, Mao, Castro et al. did not practice Anarcho-Communism - not even remotely.

Well sure! Stalin, Mao, Castro et al., were GOOD communists... riiiiight

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Well sure! Stalin, Mao, Castro et al., were GOOD communists... riiiiight

I don't see any possible way to interpret what I wrote as you did.

I am saying that Zinn self-applied the communist label, specifically anarcho-communist. In doint that, he his not associating himself with, or advocating the works of, those who we generally consider to be communists.

The Black Group, found at the forefront of violence in regressive demonstrations, are an example of anarcho-communists at play.

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The Black Group, found at the forefront of violence in regressive demonstrations, are an example of anarcho-communists at play.

I'm not familiar with that group, and would therefore need more information before I could agree or disagree with your classification.

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Well sure! Stalin, Mao, Castro et al., were GOOD communists... riiiiight

I don't see any possible way to interpret what I wrote as you did.

I am saying that Zinn self-applied the communist label, specifically anarcho-communist. In doint that, he his not associating himself with, or advocating the works of, those who we generally consider to be communists.

Sooo... it's Zinn who's the GOOD communist... Now I have participated in two, count 'em two, exercises in perpetrating a fallacious oxymoron, "good communist". I am ashamed...

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Sooo... it's Zinn who's the GOOD communist... Now I have participated in two, count 'em two, exercises in perpetrating a fallacious oxymoron, "good communist". I am ashamed...

I'm not saying there's such a thing as "good communism." I'm saying that what Zinn calls himself is not the same thing as what Stalin called himself. I have not endorsed either, nor will I. It's just only fair to point out that Zinn's own self-application of that word carries a different meaning than what many would generally assume.

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The Black Group, found at the forefront of violence in regressive demonstrations, are an example of anarcho-communists at play.

I'm not familiar with that group, and would therefore need more information before I could agree or disagree with your classification.

Sometimes called the Black Bloc, they are the ones trashing stores and banks during demonstrations. They usually dress in black and are masked.

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Sometimes called the Black Bloc, they are the ones trashing stores and banks during demonstrations. They usually dress in black and are masked.

I found a little more by seaching that term, but I still don't know much. It seems to be more of a tactic than an actual group. I will agree that some of their actions are unacceptable.