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Originally posted by pintsize:
I have a daughter that just turned 1. Most likely she will go to public school simply because of my need to work. I applaud the parents that are able to make home schooling work. I do believe that outside of the home school there should be activities and socializing with other kids, but as long as that is accomplished then I think the education the children receive is most likely top-knotch.



There is all sorts of "OUTSIDE" things a home schooled child can participate in. The list is endless depending on which school you use to get materials for homeschooling, and believe it or not, it don't take that much of "YOUR" time.

And as far as Dances, Proms, Ballgames, Parties, they are available to home-schooled kids, no social skills should be lacking Smiler

In fact, it is even BETTER because a home-schooled child attending a function in another school (by invitation) is treated like a New Kid that EVERYONE wants to get to know Big Grin
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Originally posted by Taciturn:
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Originally posted by GoFish:
Okay, how about this: I'm sorry. Really. The abuse comment was uncalled for.


I'm proud of you,
GoFish!!!
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Ditto!!! Ditto!!! Ditto!!! I didn't see this when I submitted the other one. Had something to do and just didn't go back and read. Sorry!!!
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Originally posted by Taciturn:
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Originally posted by GoFish:
Taking the High School experience away from your kids is almost a form of abuse in my opinion.



Now, GoFish, you know that's not true! Shame on you! Razzer


I know you are kidding just a little there but I do wonder if you was the post from Bree1604 that was just above this post. She is still pretty mad that she missed out on so much because she was home schooled.

Really, man, missing out on the middle and high school years would just have to suck. I just can't imagine taking that from my kids. Truly.
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Originally posted by Kindred:
Thanks to bullies, know-it-alls, and just plain abusive and MEAN kids, some kids just can't take it. It would be ABUSE to leave them there IN it.


The world if filled with mean people and bullies. Just because you avoid them in high school doesn't mean you avoid them in life. Kids need to have parents who can show the kids how to deal with bullies.

Locking them up in their own home to keep them away from bullies is so short sighted and selfish.
I didn't leave because of bullies. I know my comment might have sounded that way. I was bullied from time to time, but I dealt with that. The reason I left though was much more severe than bullying, and because of who the person was it was swept under the rug.

I won't say more than that, cause last time I did, it got deleted, because it's libel (which it is since I can't prove it- but still).

As for the topic more at hand. I do see both sides of this fence. I would have never wanted to be yanked out of school without having a say in it. I chose to homeschool, and do feel that the child should be able to have a say, as well.

I didn't miss out on anything though. We still had proms. I was still able to do the extra curricular activities that I wanted. And I had plenty of friends, most of which I hung out with at a local Skate Rink with.

I wasn't the type that ran the streets or anything either- I never got in trouble in school or outside of school. I was a good kid, and am now a very mild adult. lol

~Amanda
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Originally posted by GoFish:
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Originally posted by Taciturn:
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Originally posted by GoFish:
Taking the High School experience away from your kids is almost a form of abuse in my opinion.



Now, GoFish, you know that's not true! Shame on you! Razzer


I know you are kidding just a little there but I do wonder if you was the post from Bree1604 that was just above this post. She is still pretty mad that she missed out on so much because she was home schooled.

Really, man, missing out on the middle and high school years would just have to suck. I just can't imagine taking that from my kids. Truly.



I do agree that it would suck for the majority of kids, but there are some who homeschooling is the answer to a lot of issues.

Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't make it a bad thing. Home schooling is GREAT for the one who needs it, for whatever reason.

I didn't take Amanda out of school, and pitch any hissy fit over "things", it was a MUTUAL DECISION between her, her Dad and myself. And it was NOT the wrong decision either. I will NEVER regret it.

My other kids wish they had of had the opportunity.

Some it works GREAT for, some it don't. Case by case is the smart way to look at it, ya know?
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Originally posted by Invex:
littlemeanmommas social skills...she comes on here bragging about here home schooled children...when some disagree with her/him...she gets mad, and leaves...I wonder if she taught this to her children...


I learned to take the fight to 'em...


Nope, my kids have good manners and would not insult people they just met. I seem to not understand the rules of a forum. You don 't post to get information, it is just a *****in contest. I guess I thought I could find out how other home schoolers are doing in this area but I think the posts here from all non-home schoolers have showed me that. It is not popular or even understood. Amanda was kind enough to give me some inside tips so thank you and your Mom. Did I come here looking for justification? Nope. Did I come here to brag? Nope. Should I have come here? Debatable. Would you talk like this to my face? Debatable. I accept Gofish's apology about abuse, later he goes on to say that homeschooling is short-sighted and selfish. I really was hurt by all the negative statements
since I did take them personally. I guess some of you like to try to get a rile out of someone.
Seems my idea of an opinion is something along the lines of "GEEE, I don't know much about it but I would not want to do it" not "It is taking the easy way out or you're just lazy or your kids must be stupid". I know kindred can testify that it is not the easy way and most homeschoolers would have liked for their kids to go to public school if they felt it was safe and their kids could get a good education and be happy. We did not have that situation. I am in the same boat as Amanda, we had problems with the higher ups at the school in question but I cannot reveal the details. Lets just say we had a "face to face" with the then current superintendent. If this changes your opinion, fine. If not, fine. I did not feel saying this at the start was a good idea. So party on, and I will watch the responses and study the odd psyche of the forum poster.
littlemeanmomma, there are no rules for rudeness on a forum. That is a problem for sure. But there WILL be rude people who post on a public forum...not a thing any of us can do about it. You can ignore them, give back what was given, or just respond reasonably & carry on. It's up to you to decide if you enjoy posting on forums enough to put up with such silliness. Smiler

Also, remember that not everyone is trying to be rude. They may just be blunt about what they think and not bother to soften the blow. There is a fine line between being in debate mode and being outright rude to someone.

OH, and one more thing. You don't owe anyone an apology for raising your children the way you felt was best for them. You quite obviously love your children or would NEVER spend that much time with them. LOL So, you of course are the best judge of what's best for them.
“the only kids that mattered at the school where the jocks.”

“Both were too intelligent to do crap homework that involved "MOM" running all over town for stupid projects that meant nothing and wasted money.”

“Not all of us, however, are gifted with local schools worth noting. Many of my son’s friends that stayed in the local high school had very low grades/ACT scores whereas he managed a 26 on the ACT with his first and only try.”

“One of my son's professors told him that the home school students usually did much better adjusting to college and studying than did the high schoolers.”

“HOME SCHOOL RULES”

“I was using that as a fact that he was better prepared than the high school kids at his old school.”

“Since TSC obviously has geniuses for children, or had them take the test 30 times like so many others, good for him.”

“White flight is a fact from bad school systems, although its not just 'whites' leaving.”

“To the others, find another thread as I will no longer respond to this one or ever even read these forums again. I see one thing you all learned and kept from your high school days was the art of bullying. Isn't that a fine example of what our school systems are teaching?”

“homeschoolers would have liked for their kids to go to public school if they felt it was safe and their kids could get a good education”


The above are all quotes of yours, littlemeanmama. Now Kindred shares that her kids are finished with high school. She stated that it’s a case-by-case decision. She also shared that her oldest child who went to public school scored the same as her youngest child that was home schooled. She praised home schooling but she did it without putting down public schools.

My kids are in public schools. If you will look at the high school rankings here , you will see that there are two public high schools in our area that are ranked very high. The free available rankings are from the year 2004. The school report card we received when registering our 3 children at the beginning of this school year has Muscle Shoals even higher on the list for the 2006-07 rankings.

I understand you started this thread to get information/opinions about home schooling, but with the above statements that you’ve made on a public forum that seem to insinuate that sending your child to public schools will result in a bad education, what did you expect to hear for the parents of children in public schools?

Had you, for example, stated that you were starting a non profit group for parents of home schooled children and would like information or opinions to help those get started, then it wouldn’t have seemed like such a home school vs. public school thread. It’s great that your children have done well, but since they are through with high school and are well on their way in college, why do you need information about home school? You stated, “Amanda was kind enough to give me some inside tips so thank you and your Mom.” Why do you need “inside tips”?

When a democrat talks about their political views, it’s their right. When they start calling Republicans names, that’s when it becomes offensive to the Republican and vice versa. When an atheist has their beliefs, it’s their right and that’s fine. But when they start making fun of Christian beliefs and start spouting off hatred toward the Christian belief, then it becomes offensive to the Christian and vice versa. Home school vs. Public school, likewise.

I'm not sure why you feel the need not to post here because of your feelings: "I was hurt very deeply by the recent scathing attacks on me for trying to post an informative thread. I do not understand why
any one would willing ask for that kind of verbal abuse." And then to say "
Goodbye and enjoy attacking someone else. I am not playing the game anymore." It's only a forum. Heck. I usually only check in on this forum a couple of times a week and that's mainly because of one poster-Interventor. Dude is smart! And well, vick13 is pretty funny to read as well.
I did not start out insulting any school, I did state the one my kids attended was not good. (It was number 210 in just saying list) There are good schools here but we did not get the opportunity of going to one. My thread was for curiosity as to how other families did after the high school years. As for the inside tips, Amanda said to just let the bad remarks go and try not to take anything personal. I should have started with
"HOME SCHOOL--GOOD OR BAD" then I would not been personally involved. As I said, I am observing the psyche of the forum poster since there is no accountability due to all being in the virtual world.
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The 'home school rules' was the slogan for our particular home school. To me, it is the same as saying "War Eagle or Roll Tide". I am sorry that it was taken wrong. Some of the other quotes were taken from the replies I received. I am not saying home school is better than public, just that it is equal to a high school diploma. I am still learning. I still feel I got flames since I am the nubie but only crispy around the edges.
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Originally posted by littlemeanmama:
I am not saying home school is better than public, just that it is equal to a high school diploma. I am still learning.


And I hope you read the post from the girl who despised her parents decision to home school her. She will regret that for the rest of her life and it is just so darn sad.

Just how absolutely certain are you that you did the right thing by taking high school away from your kids?
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Originally posted by GoFish:
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Originally posted by littlemeanmama:
I am not saying home school is better than public, just that it is equal to a high school diploma. I am still learning.


And I hope you read the post from the girl who despised her parents decision to home school her. She will regret that for the rest of her life and it is just so darn sad.

Just how absolutely certain are you that you did the right thing by taking high school away from your kids?



I don't think that was Bree's EXACT words, she did want to be in School.

Point is THOUGH, this post is NOT about being IN school, it is HOME SCHOOLING.

There is a lot of positive replies here dealing with home schooling, and a couple of negative ones. I bet some of the ones fighting the idea so bad are the ones who has NO idea how it even works, ya know???

It worked for my daughter, and I am SO VERY THANKFUL to God that it did.

Taking one back to read one person's view about wanting to be IN school takes the whole post out of context. Besides, what do you want to bet that she has already read every reply and don't need any redirection Razzer

Anyway, like I said, it should be CASE BY CASE, and FINAL DECISION MADE BY PARENT/CHILD, and in the final decision making, the school has NO SAY SO in it if the kid is 16 years old anyway. That would be 15 if they applied for special permission from the STATE.

That is NOT to say that schools can or will dictate homeschoolers, they don't. But until a kid is a CERTAIN AGE the school is bound BY LAW to make sure the kid is having school, whether it be private schooling, home schooling or public schooling.
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Originally posted by GoFish:
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Originally posted by littlemeanmama:
I am not saying home school is better than public, just that it is equal to a high school diploma. I am still learning.


And I hope you read the post from the girl who despised her parents decision to home school her. She will regret that for the rest of her life and it is just so darn sad.

Just how absolutely certain are you that you did the right thing by taking high school away from your kids?



I KNOW how certain "I" am to home school Amanda. She scored THIRTY TWO on her ACT test!!!!!

HOME SCHOOLER SCORED HIGER THAN A LOT OF GRADUATES!!!! hehe

That is why I say each student needs to be a case by case study as to whether it will help or hurt them.

Unlike Bree, my daughter had all her friendships, her dances, her social time, her teen fun but just didn't go to that school every day. She didn't miss out on anything and spent all her time with actually LEARNING.

So still, I have to give the program credit where credit is due.

As to my other 2 kids, they did fine in School, but my middle one more or less CHOSE school to be her SOCIAL TIME, unfortunately. About a year after she got out of school she put herself through college and got a degree. My oldest one was gifted since 3rd grade and had ZERO problems in school and brought home all A's the enitire time except for ONE B during the Junior year and that was devastating to the kid and it never happened again Big Grin

Pro's and Con's??? Yes, they are many, but if a parent is seriously considering it, it means the parent sincerely is involved with the kid's education and that is a major plus.

I wish any parent considering this all the luck in the world, and will tell you that it is not that hard to home school your child. All the work comes in doses from a local branch and nothing is left out that is taught in regular HS.

The most important thing to consider is that each and every day of that child's schooling at home, YOU have to instill the LOVE of learning in them, encourage them, teach them self-discipline, and it should be relatively easy from that forward.
little-mama, i am glad to see that you are still here..if you stay with us, you will quickly see who is interested in your posts, and who is usually argumentative..the direction you follow from there, is of course your choice..i will tell you from my experience here, it is much more peaceful, if you rise above the discord, and ignore it..you can learn a lot from the forum posts, if you will just sift thru it..just MY opinion..

*you have cats?..i have 5 sweet kitties, but that's another forum subject..
I hesitated before responding to this thread.
I guess the temptation got the best of me. I have no doubts that homeschooling is great for some kids and parents. My greatest worry would be social skills. I have a close family member that is in his early 20s, he can't work a public job. He home schooled and has no social skills what so ever. He wasn't the type of child that held on to his moms apron or skirt. She didn't keep him sheltered from real life. His book knowledge is superb,however; his social skills - He has Social Anxiety Disorder. I am by no means saying all kids that are homeschooled have social problems. I do know his mom has said many times that if she could go back she would have kept him in a public school system. Hindsight is 20 20. Little-Mama, I do wish you the best with homeschooling. I am not trying to criticize you for your choice of the education of your children. I like many others wanted to post my thought on homeschooling.
BTW Many colleges offer scholarships for high ACT scores.

I love life!
it has been asked why would you homeschool your children? my answer is that my son never having been in any trouble before within 3 weeks at the freshman center was jumped by a gang 2 times and started running with a rival gang just to keep from being an easy target and sure enough in no time was involved in a fight that landed him in legal trouble. perhaps if local school admins would do something about it people wouldnt be jerking thier kids out right and left. and before you start in with the "there are no gangs in florence" i used to work with the guardian angels in wpb and can tell you that you are right! but when you get a dozen teenagers running in a pack and calling themselves a gang, it doesnt really matter if they are really gang members or not they can still do damage. notice the UGM BUG tag everywhere? UGM is a freshman center gang also gangster deciples are represnted there
and dont give me a hard time about watching my own kid,,, i took him out of school and havent had a problem since.
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Originally posted by GoFish:
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Originally posted by littlemeanmama:
I did what I did for my personal reasons and I do not need to explain my reasons to you.


I did'nt ask for an explanation. I simply offer my opinion of your choice. I'd offer the same opinion if I saw you verbally abusing your children in public. If I think it is wrong, I will tell you. don't like it? Don't abuse them in public.

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If you are the one who is an atheist, did you give your children the right to chose their beliefs??


Absolutely. I still carry them to functions that will help them develop their own spirituality. I believe spirituality is a basic a need as food and sex for some people. I actually despise atheist parents who would indoctrinate their children with disbelief as much as I despise parents who brainwash their kids into believing in a omnipotent space alien.

We should all be able to believe what we want - as long as those beliefs do not adversely affect others.

Children should be exposed to the world, not hidden. They should see the good and the bad. They should be exposed to failure as well as victory. They should socialize with those less fortunate and those much more fortunate. They definitely should not be coveted and protected by overbearing parents confined within their own home.

I am passionate in my belief (supported by evidence) that Florence City Schools are the best schools in the entire state of Alabama and believe just as passionately that homeschoolers and private school parents are helping destroy that fine institution because of prejudice, ignorance and over-protectiveness.
gofish, i admire the passion in your belief; but i think it's totally misdirected and hypocritical. to blame the parents of home and private schoolers for destroying florence city schools (or any other) reeks of prejudice, ignorance, and over-protectiveness.

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