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      A Phoenix woman is fighting to get health care for her husband, an undocumented immigrant who was in the process of obtaining legal status before he suffered brain damage while playing soccer.

Evelyn Saenz-Cornelio, 23, told The Associated Press on Tuesday that her husband, Jesus Armando Cornelio of Mexico, collapsed Sept. 19 while playing soccer at a park with his 13-year-old brother.

     Saenz-Cornelio, who was born in Mexico but was raised in Phoenix and is now a U.S. citizen, said that doctors at Banner Good Samaritan Medical Center told her that her husband's brain was without oxygen for about 13 minutes after he collapsed, causing severe brain damage.

     She said Cornelio, a 23-year-old construction worker, had obtained an employment authorization card and a Social Security card from the U.S. government and had an appointment this week for a final interview to get a permanent resident card.

She said the hospital told her Friday that Cornelio's health care bill was at $120,000 so far and that Arizona's Medicaid program wouldn't cover his health care costs, telling her that she would either have to take him to Mexico for treatment or put him in hospice care, which could mean death.

      But Saenz-Cornelio said the hospital gave her husband a one-week extension Tuesday. After that, she said she isn't sure what she's going to do. Where the wife is a citizen, this is a tough one. One thing for sure is he will need extensive care from now on. I know here in Utah a lot of people set up accounts at Banks and Credit Unions for donations. We even had a Illegal imigrant who under the influence of alcohol (He was smashed) hit another car head on and killed himself and the other driver.

His wife who also was iilegal set up an account at a local Bank and was able to pay for his funeral. (He had no insurance). But as far as this case above, I don't know, what do you think.

 

http://latino.foxnews.com/lati...-who-suffered-brain/

 

 

Skippy

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The article goes to say that he would not be eligible for coverage until five years after he was granted residence.  Try getting insurance on yourself as a citizen, that is not so easy either if you are not in perfect health and cannot meet all the 'requirements'.

 

Monica Coury, a spokeswoman at Arizona Health Care Cost Containment System, Arizona's Medicaid program, said federal law prohibits undocumented immigrants from health care coverage. Even if Cornelio had obtained the permanent resident card he was seeking, an immigrant must be a legal permanent resident for five years to be covered, she said.

She said Cornelio came to Phoenix when he was 10 years old in 1998, and that the two first met in the sixth grade. They began dating at 16 and were high school sweethearts.

They married at 22 and were trying to have children and get Cornelio legal status in the U.S. when he collapsed playing soccer



Why is he just now trying to gain citizenship? What about his parents, are they legal?  Was his 13 year old brother born here, and other siblings if he has them?  Did any of the family ever pay a dime into the system they now want to pay for his treatment?

Similar stories all over the country.  Hospitals are filled with them.  I read of a case in south Florida where a young man was staying with relatives there.  He was in a car chased by the police and was inured severely.  He remained in ICU for over three months.  The hospital had a bill of over $300K.  The family would not even consider paying it.  He was essentially a vegetable and would need long term care.  The hospital contacted the government because he was illegal, and he was involved in a crime when he was injured.  They refused to do anything.  Finally the hospital took their own money and purchased transportation by  air ambulance to take the man back to Mexico.  The family then sued the hospital and it is still in litigation according to articles I read in the medical briefs.

There is no reason why these issues could not be taken care by simply requiring registration. When I travel overseas I carry insurance with me, since I do not expect to be taken care of for free should something happen to me.

Originally Posted by I am the Fireman:

Somebody please explain to me why it's the U.S. governments responsibility to provide anybody FREE healthcare. I have to work for mine. That's what's wrong with government now, everybody wants and gets something free and the deficit continues to grow. Makes me sick just thinking about it.

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Fireman, as a Christian, I have compassion for all human beings, regardless of their race, nationality, or immigration status. While I don't think we should continue to allow the scammers to "work the system", I think that those who are TRULY in need should get the care they need.

 

Don't forget, WE ARE the government. If the government represents ME, as we are taught in school, then I have no problem with helping those who are truly in need. Don't forget how much time and money it takes to become legal. And he was TRYING to become legal when this happened.

 

If it were up to me, I'd give the guy a break.

 

Ronnie, if I had the money, I would. As it is, I donate to women's shelters, homeless shelters, food banks, and animal shelters. There are times when I have to do without sot hat I CAN give to these causes, and I promise you, if I ever hit the lottery, MY lifestyle wouldn't change much, but other people's would.

Well, this is exactly why we need a mandate for EVERYBODY to have health insurance, and it should be affordable. Ask for an insurance card at the door of the hospital (like they do), or have them post a bond. No ins, no bond, then no treatment.

However, the latter is not possible without the former.

Why the Republicans object to that is beyond me .

None ronnie. Cut none and add more. If you have a dime left that's a dime too much. If you have insurance that you work and pay for you should be ashamed. Out there is an illegal alien taking jobs but not paying taxes, that doesn't have insurance, and YOU are responsible for him, his illegal wife and the rest of his illegal family. He and his family comes before yours. It is your duty to make sure he and they enjoy the American dream even if you can't, because dang ronnie, it's just the "right thing to do". Why would you want job security, a home, or anything like that when he needs it so much more? So don't fuss because the country is going to hell because of all the give away programs, fraud and waste. What does it matter if you and your family end up on the streets as long as we take care of people from other countries that aren't citizens and don't pay taxes? It should be an honor to do that. Don't complain ronnie, cause when you do you make an angel cry.

 

Taking care of illegals when our own economy is failing is not possible.  If i got sick in Mexico as an illegal, I wouldn't even be IN a hospital. I would be left on the street to rot.

 

My own son, who just turned 26 and kicked off our family plan cannot get insurance even though he has perfect lab work. He doesn't smoke or drink, has no pre-existing conditions and has not even been to a doctor this year. The problem is he weighs more than he should for the insurance charts. So he can't get any at all.

 

As for Obamacare, I'll bet if anyone has read the thing, it will have conditions too, and will not be affordable for most people.

 

 

Just out of curiosity - are you all mad because he is not a citizen or because it will cost you tax money to treat him? Would you be upset if, for instance, he was the child of a single mother who had five other illegitimate children and who had never worked but lived off her welfare payments for those children and he had robbed a convenience store, wounded the clerk, gone to jail for 15 years, came out and started selling drugs for a living hence never paid a penny in taxes in his lifetime nor had his mama?

I do not understand why people are just angry about the "illegal" aliens when there are millions of nonworking poor that have never worked that were born here - therefore "legal". Generation after generation of very fertile able bodied young unemployed that are being supported by the government - uh - US. The hispanics aren't taking jobs from THEM. Try driving through the slums in a pickup and see how many able bodies young men clamor to crawl up in that truck to work a 12 hour day in 102 degree heat for less than minimum wage roofing a building. I don't think one claims income profit on crack deals on their 1099, do they? So why all the uproar over people who just want to work? If you took away welfare for under 65 yr olds I think the illegal alien flow would be down to a trickle But as far as I can tell nobody is allowed to say what I just posted because it's politically incorrect to point out "gasp" that certain races here are lying on their backs sucking up government money (read: yours and my tax dollars) and popping out yet another candidate for WIC. But they WILL get up off that sofa and vote.

I didn't say they were illegal. I said the people you described. All of them, including the illegals. All the uproar about people that only want to work? BS. This has been discussed over and over. I know citizens born in this country that would love to work. I see them all the time. Could YOU get a job if there were 50 illegals willing to do it for less because they can afford to?  By afford to I mean they're paying no taxes, most live more than one family in a house or apartment with all the happy illegal family working and not paying taxes, and the anchor babies they are pumping out getting government benefits. How would you support your family?  Do you ever see a poorly dressed mexican family? Do you ever see them driving a POS car, truck, suv? And that goes for the others you described that were born and raised in this country, and have been taught from birth that the only job ever required of them will be to go stand in the handout line. Yes, there are wayyyyyyyyyy to many of them and I don't like supporting them one bit either. But the discussion here was about health care for illegals.

 

Watch some of the videos of the illegals coming across the border and then show me one that is thin, undernourished, dressed poorly or sickly. Look at them in the stores and on the streets and show me one that is that way. Tell me how they can afford to pay hundreds or even thousands of dollars to people to sneak them across.  Go to your local health department and pay for a copy of your or your child's birth certificate for school or whatever and see who is crammed in there waiting for free care. Then pay for that BC when it used to be free. When I was younger I had to have a copy to turn in for softball. They printed it out on a little card and it didn't cost a dime.

I or anyone else could go on and on but what's the point? There are truly needy, poor and sick people that were born and raised in this country. They need help. They need more help then they can get because they are having to wait in line until the illegals and the ones you described are finished. Then they can have the scraps. Talk to people that have insurance and let them tell you what a major illness cost them even with it. How does $30,000 sound to you? Even with insurance. WHY didn't someone give that to them? Do you like being a citizen of this country and knowing that illegals get better treatment than you or your family?

The Internal Revenue Service doesn't have an estimate of how many illegal immigrants pay income tax.

But one indicator is the 9 million W-2 forms with mismatched names and Social Security numbers it received in 2004. The IRS said the W-2 forms with invalid Social Security numbers reported about $53 billion in wages and about three-fourths of that, $40 billion in wages, had taxes withheld.

The IRS also has been issuing Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers, or ITINs, for 12 years to foreigners without a Social Security number. It's believed that many workers who seek the ITINs are in the country illegally, and the IRS reported that there were 2.5 million tax returns filed with an ITIN in 2004.

In 2006, then IRS Commission Mark Everson told Congress that "many illegal aliens, utilizing ITINs, have been reporting tax liability to the tune of almost $50 billion from 1996 to 2003."

An IRS spokesman said more recent figures aren't available



a majority of economists agree that illegal immigrants are a net benefit for the U.S. economy.

He said the tax contributions from illegal immigrants, including sales taxes, property taxes and excise taxes (such as the gas tax), are significant.

He calculates that illegal immigrants contributed $428 billion dollars to the nation's $13.6 trillion gross domestic product in 2006. That number assumes illegal immigrants are 30% less productive than other workers.

"If anything we need more immigrants coming into the country, not less, especially with the baby boomers retiring," he said.

 


http://www.usatoday.com/money/...mmigrantstaxes_N.htm

 

Bestworking, that is my point. Why all the outrage over illegals when there is so much laziness and fraud among people who have lived here all their lives as well as their parents and grandparents that have had every government program thinkable at their disposal and they, too, are sucking up your tax dollars. I'm understanding the frustration about illegals, I am not understanding the apathy about the other leeches that cost us much more (generation after generation after generation) legally.

Originally Posted by dark dreamer:
Originally Posted by boobooman:

       I am enjoying the Christ like responses.


I agree. I am too! Seems like some like to brag a lot and make it known just how awesome and Christ like they are. I wish I was that awesome. Oh well. Life goes on.
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Dark, I assume that comment is directed at me because I said I donate to certain causes, even when that means I have to do without sometimes. I wasn't saying that for any kind of pat on the back, I was saying it to illustrate my beliefs.
I have been given so many blessings in life, I feel I owe it to God to do His will. We are told that our first duty is to love God, and our second is to love one another. And as far as I am concerned, international borders are things of the world. They have no place in our spiritual life. If I can't love someone simply because they are human, there is something wrong with me.
So, what do I do without? Well, when I am at the store buying socks, for instance, instead of buying three pair for myself, I will buy two for myself and donate one to a homeless shelter. When I am in the grocery store, if I had planned on maybe buying a half gallon of ice cream, I will perhaps buy a pint instead, and spend the remainder on canned goods for the food bank.
So you see, I am not asking for anyone to be awe struck by my sacrifice, because it really ISN'T a sacrifice. But what I AM saying is that, as a Christian, and as an emotional person, it just about kills me to see ANYONE suffer, and I will do what I can to alleviate that suffering.
Is it enough? Of course not! The Bible tells us there will always be poor. And for all I know, maybe they are there to teach us charity.
I'm sorry if you or anyone else feels I am blowing my own horn. It wasn't my intention.

 

Seems to me as though some do not compartmentalize. In other words, you are okay with the government doing the work that your Christianity assigns to individuals. In all my reading of the Bible, I can not recall anywhere in the New Testament that implies that the government is responsible for taking care of the poor and needy.

Mark, the government is US.

 

It seems there are some people who are so tired of government they are against anything the government does. In any society, there have to be rules. The more people, the more rules are necessary, or we are sure to step on each other's toes.

 

In the same way, any society worth its survival should join together to protect and care for it's weaker members. If the government truly represents US, I see nothing wrong, as a matter of fact, I see everything RIGHT, with letting the government (us) do what we can to help those in need.

 

I've said before, I DON'T believe in being USED and taken advantage of, which is why I think we need more caseworkers to weed out fraud. I don't blame anyone for being angry at those who abuse the system. But I believe it is a moral obligation to prevent or ease human suffering no matter who it is, or where we find it.

 

You don't have to agree with me. i am simply expressing how I feel.

Not that it matters, but I believe both of you are correct.  Oh No! is correct that we should be compassionate and she (or he) obviously puts their money where their mouth is, and should be commended for their assistance to all of these worthy programs.

However, Oh No, look at it like this.  Currently this country cannot take care of everyone who is asking for help, and to be honest all of them do not need it, but will sit by and let others take care of them because it is there, and they opt to take advantage of it.  because of this, reactionary government practices is to raies revenue to take care of people.  One way they will do this is to try and increase revenues thru taxations, and one proposal is to limit tax deductions given to charities.

Now to you and I it may not mean much, but I got to many charitable events, and I see the large amount of money that is raised from just one or two of the most wealthy in our society.  those people use those contributions as tax deductions, and they are the very ones who will be targeted by this attempt to gain revenue.

in the long run what will happen is that the larger donations to our charities will dry up and the things we are trying to protect will go along with them.

We can opt to either try and control the reckless behavior that is destroying our country or we can continue down a road where we do not make the tough decisions and attempt to live with the consequences.  This issue should have been settled long ago, but no one has the guts to do it because they knew they could get votes and support from certain aspect of the community.

I applaud your efforts and your compassion, but look at it from a slightly different angle and you may be able to see that unless we use a little "tough love" here and make rules and then follow them, no amount of compassion iis going to sustain us.

Teyates, that's why I said I WISH they would hire enough case workers to eliminate the fraud. Then there WOULD be enough money and it would go only to the deserving. Of course, that isn't going to happen. I may be a bit idealistic, but I'm not stupid enough to think they would actually do something that makes sense.

 

I hadn't heard about the proposal to reduce tax deductions for charitable donations. Whose bright idea is THAT? In this economy, where so many are suffering, how could anyone ever even consider it??!!

Oh No!  that is currently one of the proposals being kicked around by Dems on the Hill, and has even been mentioned at many of the recent town hall meeting by the POTUS.  The plan is to limit deductions on those who make more money, and those are the very ones who are giving to charities in a substanial manner.  When the incentive to give goes away, that money will just as easily be spent elsewhere, where it is more likely to do no good.

It is also a method to keep continued contributions from going to the church, which most of the atheist crowd want to see take place.

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