Atheist by definition

Hi Jan,

You have asked an atheist to define atheism?

I can give it to you in simple language.

Atheist believe that God does not exist. If an atheist DID NOT believe that God doesn't exist -- he would not be an atheist.

For, is he does not believe that God doesn't exist; he is either an agnostic sitting on the fence -- or he believes that God does exist.

So, no matter how one slices the cake -- it is something which he believes; therefore it is a belief system.

Therefore atheism is a religion. Simple.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

A helpful hint for Bill, take a logic class. Your logic has bigger holes than the Wilson Dam spillways. You obviously do not understand the rules of logic. Of course taking a cobbled together book of mythology as a serious literal work didn't help your comprehension. Truly, man did create God in his own image. Bill, my friend, your image is really mean and cruel.

My.Gray, I have made several reply's to Jan's post out of concern for their soul, but i am of the conclusion now, that you do not want to help anyone but just argue with someone who doesnt believe like you, and that in itself is WRONG, maybe you need to read your Bible. I am a Christian and proud of it, and as so, i am out to help not offend.

angel,

There's a problem with your logic also. Being a Christian MUST offend at times. When standing on the Bible and what it calls sin (homosexuality, drunkeness etc.) that is offensive to those that wish to indulge in such activities. Would it be of help to a diabetic that loved candy to be told that eating a bag of Snickers would send them into a diabetic coma or would that be offensive?

Right- but the problem with Mr. Gray is that he has said that one is "always saved" by believing- even if he commits a mortal sin- like adultery. THAT is wrong.......

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Jan,

You have asked an atheist to define atheism?

I can give it to you in simple language.

Atheist believe that God does not exist. If an atheist DID NOT believe that God doesn't exist -- he would not be an atheist.

For, is he does not believe that God doesn't exist; he is either an agnostic sitting on the fence -- or he believes that God does exist.

So, no matter how one slices the cake -- it is something which he believes; therefore it is a belief system.

Therefore atheism is a religion. Simple.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

I totally disagree with this!

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Jan,

You have asked an atheist to define atheism?

I can give it to you in simple language.

Atheist believe that God does not exist. If an atheist DID NOT believe that God doesn't exist -- he would not be an atheist.

For, is he does not believe that God doesn't exist; he is either an agnostic sitting on the fence -- or he believes that God does exist.

So, no matter how one slices the cake -- it is something which he believes; therefore it is a belief system.

Therefore atheism is a religion. Simple.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

I believe you to be a closeted homosexual and a pathological liar.

By your circular logic-This qualifies as a religion.

Well, I like McDonalds, so I'm off to worship at The Church Of The One True Clown.


Have a slightly less than blinkered day.

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So, no matter how one slices the cake -- it is something which he believes; therefore it is a belief system.

At risk of siding with the non-believers, this is simply stupid Bill.

Do you have a "belief" or "absence of belief" in Santa, fairies and Bigfoot? Personally, although I once harbored belief, I do not have a belief in them any more. So that makes me an asantaist and an afairyist.

Now, I guess it could be argued that my former Santaism met the definition of religion in many way. There is dogma (you better watch out, better not cry), redemption/salvation (be good and you get a sack of toys), punishment (sack of coal for being bad), and numerous traditions.

Now that I don't believe in Santa. In fact, there was a time when I was an evangelical asantaist. I told all my friends that there was no Santa. I was even a little passionate about it. I discovered the truth and wanted everyone to know! My friends got pissed at me for breaking the news to them but they eventually got over it.

So Bill is my asantaism a religion? If so, what doctrine, dogma, salvation, and otherwise tenants do I observe? Please answer this, Bill. I want to know.

And another thing: Fundamentalists seem to be quite passionate in re-defining atheism as a religion. Why is that? Let's say you are right, that atheism is a religion. What now? What point does that score for your team?

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I believe you to be a closeted homosexual and a pathological liar.
By your circular logic-This qualifies as a religion.

Good point. And to top it off, even if you DIDN'T believe that, it still a religion because you do not believe it.

I do not believe in the democratic party's overall stance. So what religion am I a member of? (and don't say "republican" cause I despite them too).

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Originally posted by StarryNight:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Jan,

You have asked an atheist to define atheism? I can give it to you in simple language.

Atheist believe that God does not exist. If an atheist DID NOT believe that God doesn't exist -- he would not be an atheist.

For, is he does not believe that God doesn't exist; he is either an agnostic sitting on the fence -- or he believes that God does exist.

So, no matter how one slices the cake -- it is something which he believes; therefore it is a belief system.

Therefore atheism is a religion. Simple.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day, Bill

I totally disagree with this!

Hi Starry,

That is a rather weak statement -- I don't agree -- but, without saying why you disagree and what you base your belief upon.

That is as weak as the atheist's statement: I don't believe in God.

Why don't you believe in God?

I haven't seen Him.

Well, have you sincerely looked for Him?

No.

Why not?

I don't believe in Him.

Duh!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Sofa King:
Good point. And to top it off, even if you DIDN'T believe that, it still a religion because you do not believe it.

Hi Sofa,

By default, not believing is believing. It is just believing in the opposite.

There are two eternal destinations. A person MUST choose heaven.

If he doesn't -- by default, he gets hell.

So by not believing in God -- you BELIEVE He does not exist. That is a belief system -- therefore, a religion.

Welcome to the world religion of atheism!

And, playing the childish game of calling me names will not change that. Not even for a transplant from Noo Yawk City!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Yankee:
I disagree with your signature, Mr. Gray., because you have obviously not "grown up".

Why do I believe you have not grown up? Because you make rude and idiotic statements on this forum.

Therefore, based on my opinion, I am right; you are wrong.

Have a wonderful and blessed day!

Hi Yankee,

You have me a wee bit confused. You say that you disagree with my SIGNATURE? I always sign my post -- BILL. If I am wrong, then I guess I had better check my birth certificate again. The last time I checked, I was, indeed, Bill Gray. If you know something I have missed -- please let me know.

Now to your main issue: not having an intelligent response -- you resort to the typical atheist/secularist response of personal insults.

I guess that makes sense for folks who evolved from apes as atheists claim, i.e., "I can't think of a rational, intelligent reply -- so, I will just be insulting. That always works for Richard Dawkins. Why not me?"

Whatever!

By the way, in your closing - "Have a wonderful and blessed day!" - you left out the most important part - GOD!

Of course, atheists always make that mistake.

GOD BLESS, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by Sofa King:
Good point. And to top it off, even if you DIDN'T believe that, it still a religion because you do not believe it.

Hi Sofa,

By default, not believing is believing. It is just believing in the opposite.

You didnt answer my questions. 1.) So Bill is my asantaism a religion?

Why or why not?

2.) Fundamentalists seem to be quite passionate in re-defining atheism as a religion. Why is that? Let's say you are right, that atheism is a religion. What now? What point does that score for your team?

Why won't you answer direct questions Bill? Do you ever ask yourself why you avoid certain questions? The rest of us sure do.

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Originally posted by Sofa King:
Fundamentalists seem to be quite passionate in re-defining atheism as a religion. Why is that? Let's say you are right, that atheism is a religion. What now? What point does that score for your team?

Hi Sofa,

The real question should be: Why are atheists so chagrined, do defiant, so upset when we point out that your belief system IS a religion?

Why does that bother you? It is only a label.

Yet, is seems to be like hot coals on your head.

Is it because, even though you want to deny God, there still is just a wee bit of conviction hiding down deep? Something to think about.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by Sofa King:
Fundamentalists seem to be quite passionate in re-defining atheism as a religion. Why is that? Let's say you are right, that atheism is a religion. What now? What point does that score for your team?

Hi Sofa,

The real question should be: Why are atheists so chagrined, do defiant, so upset when we point out that your belief system IS a religion?

Why does that bother you? It is only a label.

Yet, is seems to be like hot coals on your head.

Is it because, even though you want to deny God, there still is just a wee bit of conviction hiding down deep? Something to think about.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Stupidity in general is like hot coals on my head. You once again avoided my questions and of course I know why. You know you are wrong about this but as usual you cannot bring yourself to admit it.

I also despise the fact that I find myself defending atheists but when you say something so incredibly stupid that atheism is a religion it is an example of how fundamentalism can make one stupid and it turns people away from God, not towards Him.

So is my asantaism a religion bill? It's really a simple question.

so, if a lack of belief equals belief, then that would correspond to not drinking makes you an alcoholic, or a man having sex with a woman makes him gay, or never taking a shower makes you clean. by that logic, jesus would be demonic and satan would be god.

And then you have this:

LAW OF THE LAND
Court rules atheism a religion
Decides 1st Amendment protects prison inmate's right to start study group
Posted: August 20, 2005
1:00 am Eastern

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A federal court of appeals ruled yesterday Wisconsin prison officials violated an inmate's rights because they did not treat atheism as a religion.

"Atheism is [the inmate's] religion, and the group that he wanted to start was religious in nature even though it expressly rejects a belief in a supreme being," the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals said.

The court decided the inmate's First Amendment rights were violated because the prison refused to allow him to create a study group for atheists.

If Madison and Ben says it’s a religion; I’m not gonna question them; that’s fo sho.

Definition of religion:

Websters:
1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance

Oxford:
Action or conduct indicating a belief in, reverence for, and desire to please a divine ruling power; the exercise or practice of rites or observances implying this.

A particular system of faith and worship.

Recognition on the part of man of some higher unseen power as having control of his destiny, and as being entitled to obedience, reverence, and worship; the general mental and moral attitude resulting from this belief, with reference to its effect upon the individual or the community; personal or general acceptance of this feeling as a standard of spiritual and practical life.

Devotion to some principle; a strict fidelity or faithfulness; conscientiousness; pious affection or attachment.


Bill can you in your awesome gift for spinning everything your way make these definitions fit atheist?

SooooJank???

You do believe in books.

Hi all,

But, we MUST keep in mind that the United States Supreme Court ruled that atheism IS a religion.

So, it must be!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi all,

But, we MUST keep in mind that the United States Supreme Court ruled that atheism IS a religion.

So, it must be!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

So your stance on this is that if this Supreme Court says its so then it must be so. I disagree, but for the sake of this discussion I must assume you also agree with Roe v. Wade.

Do you disagree with the websters and oxford dictionary definitions? These being the respected authority on definition of the english language.


I actually think I know why so many of you christians want atheist to be labeled religious. I will not say so here due to not wanting to give you the opening you are fishing so hard for. If you want to then you can honestly answer Sofa's question instead of accusing him of also being atheist even though he has stated more than once his belief in god.

To those that agree with Bill Gray on this forum pay close attention to how he treats other christians that disagree with him. If you still agree with him then you are no better and deserve no more respect than the majority of the folks on this forum allow him. He may be old but in no way is he wise. Sometimes age only makes one old.

Jank,

Gray knows very well that equating atheism with religion is an attempt to bring down atheism to the disreputable level of religion.

It won't work. There is only one thing that unites all atheists: We find the case for god uncompelling, and for that reason, we do not accept the notion of god.

Gray, and other apologists, have all their work laid out for them. They're not doing their work. The case for god remains empty.

BeeG, you're so busy steppin' and fetchin' ya don't pay attention to squat. I'm not from NYC. I'm from the area. I'm a swamp yankee and as such-I have a fine-tuned BS detector. You send it into the red zone immediately.

Maybe you don't pay attention but I do.

YOU are the one who launches tirades about homosexuals-as if to convince yourself or others that you are not one of them which only leads me to believ e that you are of that persuasion-you're just having trouble accepting it.

One of those Florence boys got a lil' too rough with ya? Mebbe you were that raw recruit that those 'older gay predators' approached?

I dunno, but the way you usually dwell on the subject leads me to believe you've been there.

Hmmmm....Do you think?

Have a moderately neato day.

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Originally posted by tcf531:
so, if a lack of belief equals belief, then that would correspond to not drinking makes you an alcoholic, or a man having sex with a woman makes him gay, or never taking a shower makes you clean. by that logic, jesus would be demonic and satan would be god.

Rats. I wish I had said this.

DON'T YOU JUST LOVE IT WHEN THE MICE GET ALL CONFUSED AND RUN AROUND CHATTERING?

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Originally posted by b50m:
And then you have this:

LAW OF THE LAND
Court rules atheism a religion
Decides 1st Amendment protects prison inmate's right to start study group
Posted: August 20, 2005
1:00 am Eastern.

b50,

They didn't redefine atheism as a religion, they simply concluded that atheism has the same protections as religion under our secular Constitution.

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So your stance on this is that if this Supreme Court says its so then it must be so. I disagree, but for the sake of this discussion I must assume you also agree with Roe v. Wade.

Good point.

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Originally posted by Yankee:
Mr. Gray,

When you ASSUME, you make an ASS out of U and ME.

You're pathetic.

Sincerely,

Yankee

PS: Have a blessed day! GOD!!!

Nah, Yankee. He just makes an ass out of himself.

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Originally posted by Sofa King:

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Originally posted by b50m:
And then you have this:

LAW OF THE LAND
Court rules atheism a religion
Decides 1st Amendment protects prison inmate's right to start study group
Posted: August 20, 2005
1:00 am Eastern.

b50,

They didn't redefine atheism as a religion, they simply concluded that atheism has the same protections as religion under our secular Constitution.

Actually, they did define it as 'religion' and put it under the first amendment because:

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The court decided the inmate's First Amendment rights were violated because the prison refused to allow him to create a study group for atheists.

Create a study group to discuss the belief that there is no God or any higher being. A study group all sharing the same belief. A religion.

If I put together a study group of non-stamp-collectors, would that make us stamp collectors?

How about a group of non right handed people? Does that make them right handed?