Atheists have Proven God Does Not Exist. Right?

We, AR and I, just answered your question about why we post here. You keep ignoring the fact that the TD described this forum as a place to talk about your religion, beliefs, or other practices. It was not intended to be "for christians only". As far as "warning people", why don't they know already? AND if I was one of those "people" and you came to me with talk of a god that would send me to eternal torment only because I hadn't heard of him, I wouldn't be very eager to worship that god. These people have their own gods and beliefs, and no matter what christians say, most still cling to those beliefs in private. I've seem missionaries admit they know that, but as long as they keep it private it's OK-don't want to make the christians look like they failed, besides, they give them cool stuff for "believing".

As far as atheists posting on your thread, if I go back to the threads that are asking questions of atheists, that start out "For Atheists", you will find posts from christians. There have been christians on this forum that said they would go to a TD atheist forum to post, and I'd bet any amount of money that most of them already post on other atheist sites. Read a few atheist sites, started by atheists btw, and see how many christians are posting on them.

If all people gave their money freely there'd be no problem. But too many are pressured and made to feel guilty if they don't give up their money and estates that should go to their family, to churches, and some old folks go without things they need so they can feed the church coffers.

You insist on calling atheism a religion. That is not an insult, it's just not a correct definition. If it was a religion it would be the best one out there. And if atheists all of a sudden did start identifying it as a religion, organizing, gathering money by the millions/billions, building "meeting halls", sending missionaries all over the world to "warn" people about religion, which they could one day do, you would be against it because you don't think we should have the right to do that.

I don't know any Christian that makes any claim of any proof that is visible or physical in nature.  We claim we have proof sufficient enough to justify our belief.  No one is forcing you to believe the same or believe anything at all.  No one is calling you stupid or deranged for believing as you do, well I'm not if someone else is that's theirs to answer for. 

You like many other atheist though seem offended that you happen to hear someone of faith talk about God or belief in a forum dedicated to just that very thing.  My whole point in asking the question I did was why would some thinking person want to enter a forum promoting something they do not believe in or are offended by?  Why would any logical, thinking person come into a forum about Religion yet not expect to meet, hear, read, post from people that believe in God and testify that they have experienced God then either complain or heckle those same people because they say what they do?

That is what is not logical. 

IF Atheism is NOT a religion as NSNS and other atheist have said then we either have many confused and atheist who do not know about atheism at all or we have atheist intent on converting Believers to their belief structure so they come in to ridicule Christians and believers in hopes to convert some of them..  Or they come in here because they have the right to just to tell believers how stupid and delusional they are for believing which is basically just heckling and coming in here to be a nuisance to people who believe differently than they.

Jimi if the crazy people here are self evident and yet you are here what does that say about you if you being a non-religious person believe all people of religion are crazy people come in here and read and post?  What does that make you?

There's just no "talking" to you gb. I don't know why you bother to ask questions because after you get the answers you just post the same thing again like you didn't get it. This is not a forum FOR CHRISTIANS ONLY. Got it yet? And what part of the explanation we gave you about why we're here are you just not getting or refusing to understand??

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it says religion and since atheistics form a religious group you are welcome to talk about everybody and their brother.

Ramn, it said religion and other beliefs or practices. But if you feel you have to call atheism a religion have at it because as I told gb, it's not an insult, it's just a wrong definition. If one day atheism is "formally" declared a religion the only people that will care or object will be you christians.

I read here, and many places, talk, from Atheist, as if they are under threat from Christians or believers, threat of life and limb and liberty.  Why is this and where does it come from?  What Century are you folks living in?  I'm not saying that in the vast history of this Country that some atheist were abused for their rejection of God but for the most part those who suffered, as in Salem, Mass was people who were accused as Satanist or Witches and not atheist.  Granted the two may have been equated back then but this is 2011.  WHERE in the Whole of the US are you under threat of your life for rejecting God?  If you are truly under threat I suggest you report it to the Police.

What seems evident, among most atheist or non-believers, that come into the religion forum is that they have some experience with Christians, Church, or believers in the past that has either rubbed them raw or they have some inward hatred or animosity against the same.  Either they just want to see what's being talked about among Christians feeling that something is going to be said about them or they just want to inflict some kind of punishment upon the Christian and Religious folks in here to atone for whatever wrong they feel was done to them by either a Church, pastor, or someone that called themselves a Christian.   I base that on a few things.

Intelligent people would know if they came into a room/forum titled religion then they would meet people who claimed religion.  Christians, Muslims, Mormons, Jews, or anyone of a religion that wished to discuss with like minded people of religion.  If an intelligent person enters then they are either INTERESTED in what is being discussed and therefore they enter and participate. 

It is possible they are here because they consider atheism or non-belief to be a Religion of it's own in which case it's own avowed members are at differences over whether or not what they are participating in is a religion.  Nsns has said it wasn't and is not a religion others remain silent.  If it then is a religion then apparently there are some here that are here to convert others to their belief.  They are here to convert believers to Atheism but then if that is the case one would expect that the post from these folks would be an informative post about what Atheist do believe and why others should believe so but so many post are of a nature of attack or defensive which are not really attempts to convert so must be something else or some other reason.

If they are not interested in the topic then their reason for being here has to be something else.  If their interest in being here is simply because they have a Right to be here or the Freedom to be here then there within lies an alternate reason.  In an example I used about the Westboro Baptist Church.  These folks  have the legal and free RIGHT to protest funerals of our soldiers because of their skewed and wrong beliefs.  They are there, protesting, because they have the RIGHT to be there but what motive are they there for?  They are there to be a disruption to the funeral and use their opportunity of freedom to exercise their right to be pains and hecklers of the funeral and the families.  They may not hate the families of those being buried but the families of these soldiers get in the way of their real object of hatred.  Their real object of hatred is, as they say, homosexuality and their belief that the Government supports it or something like that.  Atheist and non-believers have the Right to be here and post here and read here but exercising that right and then using it to criticize and heckle and demean forum members who believe and are Christians is no different than what the folks at the Westboro Baptist are doing.  Believing forum members get in the way where the real anger and hatred or disgust is at Religion itself or at "God" or the Church or some other tie to Religion.  Therefore they exercise their freedom and right do do just what they want and don't care about who gets in the way.    

There are other reasons for being here as there are different people but for the most part if people are not here for interest and to participate honestly and be constructive then they are here to heckle, ridicule, and exact some kind of vengeance upon people of faith. 

When it comes down to it only the specific non-believer or atheist knows why they are really here but I don't know if they have been honest with us or their own selves about why they post here and come into a forum where they obviously do not believe religion or in God and do not have apparent interest in learning about Religion or belief in God.  It just makes little sense that someone would dedicate the time and effort in spending time with people who don't believe as they do and in a subject that they don't believe in and in some cases are angry about and at.  Some say they hate religion or Christianity yet here they come and spend time in an area devoted to just that very thing they hate.  Makes no sense to me unless they are here for some nefarious reason.  If they are here because they feel threatened then tell us about the threat.  Who?  Where?  When?   As I said this is 2011 and we have some people acting as if there is some Christian behind each tree laying with wait for some atheist to come out and say I don't believe in God and will threaten their life or freedom.  So again why are you here?   You say the question has been answered but I don't think so .. at least not honestly.

GB-Forgive me if I don't respond to all of your post because I've had to do what I do with bill's long ramblings and just skim them. Please relate a story of an atheist that came in here and posted of an experience of being "rubbed raw" by a christian. All I've seen are mostly like me and had very happy experiences with the christians they knew/dealt with/grew up with and still know in their personal life to this day. I'm not saying it didn't happen because we all know there are plenty of bill grays out there, but if an atheist posted it here I missed it. If the event  turned them from christians into atheists it must have been a doozy of an attack that surely led to the arrest of the christian.

I missed that description Jennifer.  WHERE is that at?  Where does it say Religion and other beliefs or practices?  IF that is what it says then you are welcome to say Atheism is not a religion and this forum applies to atheist also.   IF however "and other beliefs or practices" are not worded there then my question about why Atheist would be here remains unanswered honestly. 

So Where are you reading those words " and other beliefs or practices" for I've missed seeing it and I'm not saying it's not there but would like to know where it is that I have missed it all along.

Before they changed the layout gb. How could you miss it? It was discussed many times because posters like you kept saying we shouldn't be here. AND in prior posts I have cut and pasted into my post the description the TD had on the forum. So please don't lower yourself to trying to say it wasn't described that way.

Well I missed it and didn't go looking until your post above said it.  I made my post based upon what I'm seeing here and now..  Maybe you should write TD and request they put it there or put it back but as I read it it says Religion and that's what I based my post on. Anyone who comes to the forum today sees Religion with no other comment about any other beliefs or practices are right to ask the same question as I did and wonder about it. 

If the Times Daily puts it back I'll withdraw my question but when I look at all pages of the forum today I don't see anything but Religion. 

Also I am not saying you or any other atheist or non-believer shouldn't be here I am just questioning why you would want to be here under a topic called Religion and not stating anything other than that.  You say the old forum had it well since I didn't read it I cannot confirm or deny that but I didn't say you shouldn't be here then or now but as i said before I questioned the motive and reason an atheist would want to post under a forum for Religion as that is what it is apparently now.  That either means that the Times Daily corrected a mistake before or now.  If it's for other practices or beliefs then they should be willing to add that back.  Maybe they left that off for a reason.  I don't know because I didn't see it before.

Well now you know so you can stop asking. I didn't ask you to go back through my posts and I see no reason to contact the TD and ask them to put it back. It was there the entire time until they changed the format. Either take my word for it or don't, I don't care, and I'm certainly not going back through all the posts to find where it was copied and pasted. You can contact the TD and complain that atheists are posting here if it upsets you so much.

Doesn't upset me in the least.  I just believe the reason most atheist post here is to combat Religion, insult those of us who do believe and not for any constructive purpose and reason.  The majority of  their post bear that out 

Christians make statements similar to the one you make above asking you to take our word for it about experiences we have and go through yet no we are to take your word or your statements based upon your word only but when we question about it or ask for you to show us then that upsets you.  We tell you to take our word on things but then we are delusional, crazy, have to put up proof or evidence.  We as the same of you and you would have thought we were insulting you personally.  That's too much to ask.  

Well Jennifer I don't know about the past but NOW it says RELIGION so that being  the case why post under some topic that you deny atheism is a part of and contains post about something you and others say doesn't exist or is crazy to believe or whatever other derogatory terms are used?  What reason would you want to except to be antagonistic?. 

GB, get over it. It is not for christians only and all the whining in the world from you won't change that. Are you actually trying to say the TD changed it so that it was only for christians? If I thought that I might be contacting them.

GB, ask christians why they go to atheist forums. And when I say atheist forums I mean the ones started by atheists and clearly labeled as atheist forums.

GB, I'm going to have to get ugly about it I guess. Are you stupid or just playing stupid? I can't tell. We've told you over and over why we post here. Now go ahead and ask again.

none that I know of comment on the forums. I go there for entertainment but I have never joined or posted. Can you imagine the flogging a religious person would receive on one ovum?

I could really have some fun if I wanted to. I could have the whole bunch livid, frothy and mad as hades. lol

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The christians most certainly do post on the atheist forums. You don't have what it takes to make atheists livid, frothy or mad as hades.

gbrk,
As an atheist, I'll admit that Hell exists. And it's right here on this earth because of long, winding and thick-headed ramblings like yours and Bill Gray's. Brevity is the soul of wit, man. I beg of you some wit and brevity.

As a reason for why atheists should not be interested in the religion forum (although you asked for and got reasons) you make the severely incorrect comparison of an atheist on the Religion forum to a Democrat at a Republican conference. Utter confusion. The reason why you don't/can't understand these concepts as explained to you is that, to use your own analogy, this is a Politics conference and we are Independents. Compute?

I try with everyone for a while, but I think from now on if I respond to you it will be to talk to others on the forum that are capable of comprehending and learning new information, or for those that actually want answers to the questions they ask, or for those who want to engage in a two-way conversation, or to just make an example of your reasoning deficiencies to the others.

Yeah, what AR said.

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Gbrk interpreted that means:

Gbrk you have kicked my but and I’m gonna ball-up with unoi and deep caz I can’t run with the intellectuals

No what it means is:GB, if you want to continue playing dumb you're going to have to do it alone or with ramn.

What it means is you atheist have been revealed as being here for the very reasons you are and not for some innocent constructive or noble reason of debate or contributing in some way.   You want me to take your word about the wording of the forum Jennifer without any evidence or proof as to what the Forum used to be or used to say yet our words are not good enough.   Now we are to accept someone's word as fact.  It may have been there but how do I know, could be something you wish was there ... how do I know?    I wish there was an ignore feature so you could use it on me if you are offended by what I say but I'm not backing down from what is nothing but an attack on Religion and more specifically more attacks on Christians on this forum.

I based my statements upon what was observed in post here by atheist.  It was proven when I tried to post something just for Christians in an open forum that atheist cannot and will not respect anyone of religion.  Not all but there will always be some.  It appears each of you are intent on seeing that no Christian or person of Religion can and will be able to discuss religion without harassment from someone who does not believe or is an atheist. 

You atheist also seem to claim as if you were under some dire threat of life, liberty, or freedom for believing as you do yet I've ask again who is it that threatens you?  What do you base those statements on?  I've not seen anyone threatened here or reported in the local news so just who is it that is threatening you?   If you are being attacked on a topic that you posted requesting it only be for atheist then who is it that violates your request?  I'm agreeing it's not right nor do I condone it and even if there is some Christian that doesn't honor your request is that a reason not to honor mine when I've honored any such request by you?

I think the abundance of post and reaction I received to making the statements I have shows who is reactionary about it all.  Your motives are revealed by your very presence and regardless of what you want it to say it doesn't say that now.  It says RELIGION.  I wrote to TD and requested they clarify it for if it's for Religion it should say so and if it isn't then it also should say so.  I thought that the word RELIGION would be clear but apparently some can't read and comprehend. 

Also be correct when you make post and don't be deceptive as you are being when you say I want to restrict the forum only to Christians.   BE Honest enough to get it right and not categorize me.  IF Times Daily wants this to be a Forum for Religion AND atheism is NOT a religion then I'm for allowing all Religions and people of Religion to post here without being harassed by people who are angry at and biased (for whatever reason) against Religion and those who practice it no matter what religion it is.  

IF atheism is a religion then admit to it but if not why try and conceal why you post here as if you are doing some noble thing.  Say what you want, about me, about Christians, about the forum but your ultimate actions reveal the truth. 

GB, get this straight-I don't give a flip if you believe me or not, and others know how the forum was titled. I could go back through old threads and find where I copied and pasted it into my posts when bill or invic or another would start up about why we're here, but I'm not going to do that. So don't take my word for it. You're a simpleton anyway.

So now YOU retort to name calling yourself.  Have I referenced you calling you by some name?  Why get so torn up that you have to go to this extreme?  I haven't seen it and that's the truth.  I make the statements I did based upon only what I've seen.  What's good for the goose is good for the gander, so to say.  You demand evidence of everything WE say but get upset when we do the same. 

Why is that? 

I'm not "torn up", just finished trying to tell you anything when you refuse to accept the answer to a question you ask. You can't be this stupid (I hope) so I have to surmise that you just like to split hairs. What reason would I have to demand evidence from you? You have none.

gbrk' You are a breath of fresh air, Thanks to God for sending you.

You handle these dudes with one arm tied behind your back.

Using your own terminology "You can't be this stupid (I hope)" ... you have read these forums all this time and never read statements, with relation to God or Christ or Salvation that some atheist has not ask for PROOF, EVIDENCE or something of the like yet when we provide some answer as to our reason for faith or belief then hearing a response that we are delusioned or fooling ourself, stupid or insane.  We make statements about our faith all the time or what has happened to us yet get responses back asking for PROOF. No you know.

Now as for not accepting your (Jennifer's) answer here is your first response to me which appeared directly below my post asking why atheist would post in a forum dedicated to religion.

Jennifer responded with:

Why all the bother over something you believe? Why the constant talk about it? Why have this forum, as some want, only for the believers? Why are you trying to convert people? Why all the meetings to discuss your beliefs? Why all the gathering of money to build monstrous churches? Why all the travel to other countries to indoctrinate the people? Why the push to have it taught in schools against the wishes of others? Why the push to have it in government against the wishes of others? Why the desire to have the country declared a "christian nation" against the wishes of others? Why use it to discriminate against others?  Why put it on our money against the wishes of others? Why post signs about it in public? This is why we do what we do. No demons to fight, no trying to convince anyone, no voids to fill. Just fair treatment for people who don't believe, or for people that don't live and love the way the "religious folk" think they should.  If someone reads this forum and begins to agree with us, or realizes they are not alone in their disbelief, so be it.

Your answer to a question appears very much like a series of questions to somehow justify why you post here.  Then after that you make the statement which reads very much like what someone who is trying to convert someone else would say.    Well Christians want FAIR Treatment here, to, when we post questions to other Christians in that we only ask to be allowed to discuss Scripture or Religious topics without being told how dumb, insane or deranged we are yet we can't get this.  This is fair treatment?  This is just and respectful?  Happens on every subject not just the ones we specifically request the privilege.  This is what we put up with in a forum for Religion (people who believe or are of a Religion).  You then say "or for people that don't live and love the way the "religious folk" think they should".  Take that statement and substitute atheist for "religious folk" and we could say the same thing.  WE have been told you (atheist that is not you specifically) don't care what we believe you are going to tell us what we are for believing regardless.  Regardless of if it interferes in our trying to hold a conversation, regardless if it is disrespectful, regardless ... y'all don't care.  That statement well fits atheist better than "religious folk".   You folks preach also or more to the point dictate for you don't care what the listeners have to say about it, the fact that we believe negates our request not to hear it.  We believe therefore we deserve to hear the criticism from atheist, or so it seems.

Now to CONVERSION ... no attempts to convert people um?   lets see what you say.  "If someone reads this forum and begins to agree with us, or realizes they are not along in their disbelief, so be it" .. so be it .. .another way to say "I don't care".  Sounds like a desire to convert to me.  Why would someone expect someone who doesn't believe (disbelief) to be in a forum of believers in the first place? 

No I think I was right to began with .... Atheist are targeting Christians and other people of Religion for a purpose and not here by accident or because of any noble interest.  You (generic you that is) are not interested in Religion or people of religion you are interested in PREACHING/Dictating Atheism and winning converts or causing Christians to doubt.  Why don't you just own it for each post each of you make reinforces it or at least 90% or more of them do.

That's why I didn't accept your (Jennifer's)  answer .. it was too full of questions and questions are not answers.  I also do not accept your previous answers for I haven't read them and do not know where the same question was ask before so I ask it again, something I am free to do.

I let this one slide but will comment on it now:    You make a good point because it is not respectful or right to do but since you are an Atheist and what they do is disrespectful or offending to you then why do you not ask?  As a Christian if I observed it I might say something about it but I don't go into the atheist forums, as hard as you might find that to believe. 

Consider this however.

By your statements here, in this forum targeted toward Religion, saying atheism is not a religion then you are essentially doing the same thing as these "Christians" going into the clearly labeled atheist forums.   They (Christians) have the right and are free to do so but it is NOT respectful to the atheist who wish to talk among their own like minded group.  Now either what these Christians are doing by entering into the Atheist (only) forums is right, honorable, fair and just or what you are doing is just like them and falls into the same category for atheist here are doing essentially the SAME thing.

In fact in a past post you made the following statement:

 If someone reads this forum and begins to agree with us, or realizes they are not alone in their disbelief, so be it.

What would be your reaction if I made exactly the same statement about those Christians who go into the clearly labeled atheist forums, preaching, teaching, to them?  Christians have and would make exactly the same statement about atheist.  If what they say happens to make an atheist realize that they are not alone in their curiosity and have questions then maybe something they say might help show them the love of Christ. 

Looks like some atheist are doing exactly the same as some Christians and visa versa.

Well gb, I couldn't care less if they go onto atheist forums to try and convert. Why would I? Those are grown-ups posting in those forums, they can handle themselves. So go on in and have at it. Show me where I said it was not respectable or where I said atheists objected to them posting on the forums.

Considering that your responses so far, including under the subject where I specifically ask you and other non-believers to allow us to discuss among ourselves, have been comments of a negative or insulting nature and certainly not of an informative nature so a lack of them would be a noticed improvement so thank you. 

I did not say YOU were disrespectful but rather I suggested that you did retort to name calling or specifically insulting such as stating I was a "simpleton".  I've never, to my knowledge ever made such a statement directed at you but I'm a grown up also and it's not a problem. 

As for Christians posting in other forums no you didn't specifically say it was not respectful that was my language and I repeat it is not respectful for Christians to do that as it is not for atheist to do what some have done here and under some topics here.  As for you objecting to it you may not have openly objected to it but by bring it up or citing it the inference is that it is unwelcome and should be.  Ram is right also as to what the immediate response from atheist would be toward Christians that did such.  I dare assume that it would be far more severe than our responses to atheist when they do it to us.

Look at the responses, from atheist, and reaction I have got for daring to ask the motivation and reasons that atheist might have for posting in a forum targeted at Religion.  I should know better because I should have read the past times it's been ask among other responses.

Well gb, you can whine all you want to whine but the TD did not make this forum for christians only, ramn is not right about atheists objecting to christians on their forums, he goes to them all the time, and if he says he doesn't post on them he's lying. So hang it up. I called you a simpleton because you keep acting like one, asking the same question over and over like some petulent child.

Nee nee niny noo noo jenn I literally would be embarrassed to join an atheistic forum let loan post there. I’m not that hard up for conversation.

The entertainment is their day to day planning on how they are going to be aggressive and negative to believers. They actually eat that ****up. I’m like say what!!! Get a job that doesn’t include keeping your head up your ass all day. FCOL Hey its funnnnnnnnnnny.

Adot eats it up. He gets stirred up and comes on here and goes postal about something or another and I’m thinking “say what!!!!!???? And everybody else is saying “say what!!!???. We’re all busted up caz adot showed his zzz.

I’m gonna bet y’all missed the ‘Midnighters’ on Mobile Plaza and fireworks at the Marriot thinking of ways to be mean to gbrk.

Y’all shudda seen me out there doin the ‘glide’ haha

I mean like what are the options on an atheistic forum.

You could say something like ‘y’all be good’ and the atheistic s would reply in a low gravely voice ‘ can’t do that ‘ the Bible says att’ and we are all laughin and stuff and one ovum hollers y’all are iggernunt! And we’re thinking they need to shave their necks. You know atheists ar called ‘neck beards’ just look at my avatar my fran and her husban are atheistic s. some foo said.

Ram, I was planning to be there except I had a sick wife so stayed home and took care of her needs.

Jennifer, for you and the others that do so .. your personal bias is showing.  Please be correct when you attempt to criticize me.  You always try and say I want to limit things to Christians and that is FALSE and WRONG yet you or the others never make a mistake so will never admit it.  I said and mean that the RELIGION forum should be limited to people that want to post topics and subjects about what the forum is about which is Religion or religions.  Is Atheism a RELIGION??? You have said not so now is it? You said I said it the forum should be limited to only Christians or for only Christians so since you seem to know so sure about that why not show everyone where I said such?  I did not.  You seem as sure that I said it as you are that the Times Daily said the Religion forum was for all practices but we need to take your word on that.  Well you are wrong about saying I said what you said I did and you do not recant that so why should we accept the other?

I ask for clarification from Times Daily as to what their intent for the forum is and we will see if they answer. The forum should also be open and welcome anyone willing to come in and open dialog and discussion out of interest about anything having to do with the forum but for many of the atheist on this forum that is impossible for your own actions reveal your intent is otherwise.  You do not respect religion or people of religion and especially Christians whom you all seem to detest the most which is why I suppose you want to always say we want to limit it to Christians when I have never said that.  You and others keep promoting the same INCORRECT info and don't care just like you don't care to offend Christians.  You are here for that reason so you need try and disguise it any longer.

We have nothing against Christians. It is idiots that we don't care for. If the two are one and the same, it isn't our fault. Good luck with appeals to the newspaper. Their purpose is to get as many folks here as possible to use the numbers to sell advertising. They really don't care what is said. The more traffic there is, the more money there is for them. As with most enterprises, the paper is in the business of making a profit. I wonder if you know who owns the Times-Daily.

I am not trying to get an exclusive forum, with the Times Daily, rather a clarification as to what, in their minds, Religion means.  Does it mean Philosophy where Religion and atheism or "other practices" are open or is it a forum where people are to discuss Religion and everything that falls under that definition.  It goes back to what Jennifer said about the old forum reading as it did under Religion.  I did not dispute it but rather ask for a clarification. 

The reason for that is simple.  My assertion was that some atheist choose this forum to post what seems like an overwhelming number of post and replies critical of either Christianity or Christians as well as anyone of Religion and uses uses the thought that it isn't a Religion forum dedicated for people and/or topics of Religion to justify why they are here to post.  That in turn came from my question, under this topic, as to why an atheist would want to post in a forum dedicated to something they did not include their group (atheism) in or something they believed in ( a deity or creator).   One response Jennifer said that the TD said it wasn't only Religion in the old forum but now in the new I only see Religion so hence give the TD a chance to clarify their stance and intent in opening the forum. 

There was no REQUEST on my part to limit the forum or a request to say make the forum religion only.  IF I had wanted that or was one that wanted that exclusivity as I have been accused of, then I would have ask Times Daily to do that rather than asking about a clarification only.  A person's actions tell and reveal the truth behind them rather than words.  As I said I've been accused of one thing (wanting exclusivity) yet my actions do not ask for exclusivity but ask for clarification which could go either way. 

If the forum is for Religion and other practices, as Jennifer said, then it should better had been titled Philosophy or something like that rather than Religion or should have plainly said Religion, Atheism and other Practices.  That would have cleared it up nicely and IF that is the case then you can have your combative post at every opportunity and I shall honor the Times Daily's clarification.  I will then either decide to leave, seeing that it is impossible to do anything constructive and treat the forum as I would any other of that type nature, or I shall limit my time here more and search out some source where I believe I may do more good for the Cause of Christ.  

A clarification, by the Times Daily, just reveals their reason fro the forum and after that it changes not, most likely, what people posts but if it's religion and Religion and Religion topics only that will make my question more relevant than ever as to why an atheist would want to post here if it's for religion.  The desire is NOT an exclusive forum for Christians only or Religion only but a forum respectful to each of them and that will allow participants the right and reason to post within a subject of their interest without having to endure harassment.  Even if the definition was more inclusive toward Philosophies it still is in keeping with respect to allow others uncontested posting of subjects of their interest..

gbrk is right in his reason for most of you atheists on here. You dont want to have any talk about things . You only want to get in on everything that is talked about no matter what and butt in with hateful comments. gbrk made a very good reasoning to you and what? You got all miffed and offensive, then just said stupid stuff. He told you over and over that he didnt want it where you couldnt talk just asked what the point was for jumping in when religious people just wanted to talk about something within each other. You can LIE all you want to about what you reasons are for talking here but the truth is you just want to take over and be buttholes. Some off you are just plain stupid and mean and dont have no respect. Some of you are just what is warned about the Devil and attacking people of religion. You are the ones who are agents of the Devil and no matter how nice gbrk tries to be with you you are just plain EVIL! I would not be so nice to you if it was face to face. The Bible says if you get smacked on one cheek to turn the other cheek. It dont have any saying for what you after the OTHER cheek is slapped. It dont say keep turning the cheek. Thats when you get your butt kicked. Amen Brother!

RELIGION forum buddies-to discuss religion-which we do-not christians only forum-end of discussion-live with it.

What was that?

Sorry but although I have an idea of what you are trying to say, none of it makes sense reading it. The last part however, the part that reads ... the "end of discussion -live with it" sounds very much like what the atheist say to us anytime they tell us they are going to tell us what they think right after they tell us they don't respect our religion and no I'm not accusing you specifically of that.. 

Then there you go again with that Christians ONLY forum.  Jennifer why are you and other atheist stuck on that when I never said such.  You and other atheist seem obsessed with Christians now.  You have now brought it up so many times that I'm challenging you to produce where I ever said that I wanted a forum for Christians only?  If you can't then you really need to apologize for your statement.  

I'm telling you (again) I never said I wanted a forum for Christians only and ask before you to stop staying that as if I had.  What you are doing is an outright deception and now I'm calling you on it.  Produce where I said I want a Christian only forum !