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quote:    Originally Posted by b50m:

Once in a blue moon, but I'm not technically a full blown Christian.

Hi B,

Isn't that something like saying, "I am sort of pregnant?"  This reminds me of a song from years ago:

 

Is You Is Or Is You Ain't My Baby?

Is you is or is you ain't my baby a Christian?
The way you're actin' lately makes me doubt
Yous is still my baby-baby
Seems my flame in your heart's done gone out
A woman is a creature that has always been strange
Just when you're sure of one
You find she's gone and made a change
Is you is or is you ain't my baby a Christian
Maybe baby's found somebody new
Or is my baby still my baby true?

 

Change the words "my baby" to "a Christian" and it would fit your statement, "Once in a blue moon, but I'm not technically a full blown Christian" when asked if you are part of a Christian fellowship or attend church.  If you are "not technically a Christian" -- then,  what are you?  Just curious.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Hi Chick,

 

I forgot to answer your question in my previous post.  So, to keep you from having to lift those heavy stones -- YES, I do attend church!  And, I have been an elder and leader in several churches; often leading Bible studies and Sunday School classes.  Wish you could join us.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:    Originally Posted by b50m:

Once in a blue moon, but I'm not technically a full blown Christian.

Hi B,

Isn't that something like saying, "I am sort of pregnant?"  This reminds me of a song from years ago:

 

Is You Is Or Is You Ain't My Baby?

Is you is or is you ain't my baby a Christian?
The way you're actin' lately makes me doubt
Yous is still my baby-baby
Seems my flame in your heart's done gone out
A woman is a creature that has always been strange
Just when you're sure of one
You find she's gone and made a change
Is you is or is you ain't my baby a Christian
Maybe baby's found somebody new
Or is my baby still my baby true?

 

Change the words "my baby" to "a Christian" and it would fit your statement, "Once in a blue moon, but I'm not technically a full blown Christian" when asked if you are part of a Christian fellowship or attend church.  If you are "not technically a Christian" -- then,  what are you?  Just curious.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

xxxxxx

 

Sort of pregnant and going to church? I guess thats one of those

californian connections.

Bill, you got to lose the song.

 

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b50,,,  Theres nothing wrong with a christian running at half mask.

 

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quote:
  Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
b50,,,  Theres nothing wrong with a christian running at half mask mast..

Hi Vic,

 

That may be true in the Roman Catholic church!  But, it sure is not true in the eyes of God.  Either you are pregnant or you are not!  Either you are a Christian or you are not!  There are no HALF MAST CHRISTIANS.   Is you is - or is you ain't A CHRISTIAN?   According to His Bible, that is what God is looking at and for -- born again Christians.  His only interest in half baked Christians, i.e., those who only wear the hat -- is to finally bring them into His family and make them real Christians -- FULL BLOWN Christians!

 

Are you interested?  If so, all you have to do is to open the door of your heart and invite Him to come in and be your Best Friend (Revelation 3:20).  Try it, I promise you will like it! 

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:
  Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
b50,,,  Theres nothing wrong with a christian running at half mask mast..

Hi Vic,

 

That may be true in the Roman Catholic church!  But, it sure is not true in the eyes of God.  Either you are pregnant or you are not!  Either you are a Christian or you are not!  There are no HALF MAST CHRISTIANS.   Is you is - or is you ain't A CHRISTIAN?   According to His Bible, that is what God is looking at and for -- born again Christians.  His only interest in half baked Christians, i.e., those who only wear the hat -- is to finally bring them into His family and make them real Christians -- FULL BLOWN Christians!

 

Are you interested?  If so, all you have to do is to open the door of your heart and invite Him to come in and be your Best Friend (Revelation 3:20).  Try it, I promise you will like it! 

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Bill....b50 is perfectly fine where she is with herself and God.

You shoot your ignorant month off about anything and everything you know

nothing about.

 

The truth is,,,,,you aren't a  "full blown christian".

 

Iv


 

quote:    Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Bill....b50 is perfectly fine where she is with herself and God.  You shoot your ignorant month (June, July?) off about anything and everything you know nothing about.  The truth is,,,,,you aren't a  "full blown christian." 

Vic, my Friend,

 

The beauty of being a Christian is -- that only God and I know for sure -- and, I am quite comfortable with my eternal security.   Can YOU say the same?  Vic, do YOU KNOW if you will go to heaven or not?   You should be able to answer that question.  If you cannot, then, my Friend -- you DO have a problem.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
 

Vic, my Friend,

 

The beauty of being a Christian is -- that only God and I know for sure -- and, I am quite comfortable with my eternal security.   Can YOU say the same?  Vic, do YOU KNOW if you will go to heaven or not?   You should be able to answer that question.  If you cannot, then, my Friend -- you DO have a problem.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Billie,,,,You aren't going to find the true beauty of belief in the Bible.

The true beauty of the believer will find the Bible and use the word of God

as he meant it to be used. God isn't in the Bible, He's in our hearts or He's not. 

I know I'm going to heaven.

I just don't have the need to convince myself everyday like you do. 

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Hi Bill,

Since you can't understand anything except what is written by a baptist, I'll forgo an explanation of my church attendance.

It's not really any of your concern is it?

 

Thank you Invic, I am fine with my relationship with God.  Seems to me there was some line about where two or more gather, I am there.  I don't recall a building being needed nor do I need some half-azz lay preacher man talking about how great he is and how we all need to give him more tithings so he can spread the word more.

 

Bill, you don't KNOW if you are going to heaven, you just think if you yell Bible scriptures enough that gives you a free ride.

 

I don't think any one can really KNOW for sure.  Since your heart is read by God and not your mind, that heart may have some dirty little secrets you don't let yourself remember.

 

Anyway, as soon as they open The Church Of What's Happening Now, I'm there.

 

Can I get an Amen?

quote:
  Originally Posted by b50m:

Hi Bill,

Since you can't understand anything except what is written by a baptist, I'll forgo an explanation of my church attendance.  It's not really any of your concern is it? 

Wow, B,

 

I never realized that the 40 inspired men who wrote the Bible were Baptist!!!  Thank you for clearing this up.   Now, according to B, we know who to believe -- the Baptist -- for they wrote the Bible under the inspiration of God, the Holy Spirit.  Wow, I have learned something really neat today.

 

Regarding your church attendance -- you told us you do not bother; at least, not very often.  How often do you attend a coven meeting?   Just curious.  Take old Vic with you the next time.  After all, he might learn something useful for his Traditions and Rituals.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:    Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Bill....b50 is perfectly fine where she is with herself and God.  You shoot your ignorant month (June, July?) off about anything and everything you know nothing about.  The truth is,,,,,you aren't a  "full blown christian." 

Vic, my Friend,

 

The beauty of being a Christian is -- that only God and I know for sure -- and, I am quite comfortable with my eternal security.   Can YOU say the same?  Vic, do YOU KNOW if you will go to heaven or not?   You should be able to answer that question.  If you cannot, then, my Friend -- you DO have a problem.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill


Bill continues to blow my mind...

one minute he passes judgement on B because he doesn't think she is christian enough.... and in the next post he points out only he and god know for sure if bill himself is christian...

 

why isn't that true for the rest of us as well, bill? why are you able to decide that B isn't a good enough christian, but no one else is able to decide if YOU are?

why do you think that you have the authority to hand down the judgement of the lord to others?

 

you, bill, are a full blown liar and false teacher of god's word.

however.. if we need anyone to spellcheck us, we'll holla!

until then, stop being one of God's Gestapo... you aren't worthy - you're too much of a hypocrite. even Goebbels and Himmler weren't as Gestapo as you.

they also didnt' lie as much or try to spread as much hate.

 

 

quote:    Originally Posted by The Nagel:
Bill continues to blow my mind...one minute he passes judgement on B because he doesn't think she is christian enough.... and in the next post he points out only he and god know for sure if bill himself is christian... 

Hi Nagel,

 

Once again, you have proven that you either cannot read -- or that you cannot comprehend what you have read.

 

B50 wrote, "Once in a blue moon, but I'm not technically a full blown Christian."


And, I responded, "Isn't that something like saying, "I am sort of pregnant?" 

 

A person cannot be a little bit pregnant -- and a person cannot be a little bit Christian.  Either you is -- or you ain't!   And, this is what I asked B50, "Is you is -- or is you ain't a Christian?"

 

How about you, Nagel -- is you is -- or is you ain't?  It is never too early to make that eternal decision.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Regarding your church attendance -- you told us you do not bother; at least, not very often.  How often do you attend a coven meeting?   Just curious.  Take old Vic with you the next time.  After all, he might learn something useful for his Traditions and Rituals.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

I'll be sure to put your name on the next voodoo doll Bill. The coven meeting was cancelled because the warlock was hauled away by the IRS. However,  I think one of the Priest was coming by with some sacramental wine to share with the Rabbi and then we are going over to the Mosque to have a dance with the Moonies while we listen to some Gregorian chants. I think there is a spiritual reading from the Dalai Lama followed by a spirit dance from the Celts. Want to come?

Bill is constantly talking about Eternal Security, (Once Saved, Always Saved). He says he wants to reach the people on this forum that read but never post. If there is any of those people, I hope they see Bill for what he really is. He is such a stumbling block to Christians/non-Christians alike. There is places in the Bible that indicate you can be saved but lost again.

  

The parable of the sower speaks of people that, for various reasons, hear the gospel and accept it as truth but "fall away". Jesus explains to the disciples that the seeds are people that have heard & received the gospel and sprang to life... but only a few endured to bear fruit.

 

In the Book of the Revelation Jesus made two very strong statements. He tells the church at Ephesus that if they don't repent, He will "remove their lampstand". He also said that if you "hold fast" and "overcometh" then your name will not be blotted out of the Book of Life. Your name had to be there at one time for Jesus to threaten to “blot it out”.

 

In II Peter 2:20-22, you can’t deny Peter's words of warning, & anyone that does is foolish. He says if a person has "escaped the pollutions of this world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" (a believer), but becomes “entangled in it again”, he is worse off than he was before he knew Christ.

 

I believe that means that YOUR SALVATION IS CONDITIONAL! Before you were saved, you were ignorant. But after you were saved, & knew the truth, you choose to reject it. There is a warning in the Bible that some will depart from the faith. You can’t depart from something that you never had.

The book of Jude is an admonition to the church. It’s a warning against false teachers. A false teacher can lead people astray to the point of losing out with God. God destroyed some of His own elect people because of their unbelief &  some of God's own angels met the same fate.

Yes, God gives to everyone a measure of faith, but it’s up to each individual as to what he will do with that faith. Bill is one of those sowers that will lead people astray with his Eternal Security preaching, he's one of those false teachers the Bible warns us about.

Sorry for the long boring post.

Originally Posted by Winston Niles Rumfoord:

I am a Christian, but I do not attend church because most of them are corrupted.

 

 

My guess is that God is very disappointed in the churches of today, & the people in them wearing the Christian hat. They are all about who can have the biggest building, which can bring in the most money & have the most members. They are no where near what He meant for them to be.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Winston Niles Rumfoord:

I am a Christian, but I do not attend church because most of them are corrupted.

 

 

My guess is that God is very disappointed in the churches of today, & the people in them wearing the Christian hat. They are all about who can have the biggest building, which can bring in the most money & have the most members. They are no where near what He meant for them to be.

 

Semi, I don't think you have any confusion at all about the Bible.  You understand it better than most.

Cheers!

First off I go to Church 3 times a week Sunday, Sunday Night and Wednesday, and God says that we may know if we know him

 

1John 2:3

And hereby we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1John 2:4

 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;

 

Nobody quotes Scripture anymore, just letting you know that God said it, not me.

Last edited by prince albert
Originally Posted by prince albert:

First off I go to Church 3 times a week Sunday, Sunday Night and Wednesday, and God says that we may know if we know him

 

Nobody quotes Scripture anymore, just letting you know that God said it, not me.

Why do you go to church? Because you enjoy it or because you feel like you have to?

Scripture is often quoted here.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:    Originally Posted by The Nagel:
Bill continues to blow my mind...one minute he passes judgement on B because he doesn't think she is christian enough.... and in the next post he points out only he and god know for sure if bill himself is christian... 

Hi Nagel,

 

Once again, you have proven that you either cannot read -- or that you cannot comprehend what you have read.

 

B50 wrote, "Once in a blue moon, but I'm not technically a full blown Christian."


And, I responded, "Isn't that something like saying, "I am sort of pregnant?" 

 

A person cannot be a little bit pregnant -- and a person cannot be a little bit Christian.  Either you is -- or you ain't!   And, this is what I asked B50, "Is you is -- or is you ain't a Christian?"

 

How about you, Nagel -- is you is -- or is you ain't?  It is never too early to make that eternal decision.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill


i neither misread it, nor misunderstood it.

you decided, from her words, that she isn't what you define as a christian.

then you tell people that only you and god know if you are a christian...

my thought is that only god and b50m know if she is 'enough' of a christian - you don't have the authority to judge her, no matter what her words were.

a perfect example of your blatent outrageous hypocracy.

 

i'd like to think for one minute you would re-read all of this and then post' you're right - i tried to pass god's judgement on her, while telling others they were not allowed to do the same thing to me. i worded what i was trying to say poorly, and it made me look like a hypocrit. i was just trying to make sure that b50m knew i was worried for her soul, and wanted to encourage her to try and become closer to God."

 

i'd like to think you'd say somthing like that, but i know in the end you will blow it off, and attempt to defend your words, possibly making fun of my typeing in the process... or that you will completely ignore this thread form now on, and start a new one about something else and try to make yourself feel like you've won this debate.

 

be a man for once bill... admit you said something that came out wrong and made you look stupid...

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i've been to many churches in this area...

i've been to several different CoC's... a few baptist.. a methodist, two different catholic, a southern baptist.. and 2 non demoninational...

 

all of them , except the last two, gave me the exact same feeling. false fellowship - the people came on like a politicians or used car salesmen... " Hey! Great ta see you folks here! we're glad you could join us! you just visiting? or looking for a new home? we'd sure be proud if you wanted to stay with us!" and so on and so on.  all the while, i could hear the whispers of the little cliques chatting ' you'll never guess what she told me!" and "can you believe what she let her daughter wear?" and so on..

 

the first non denominational was a little to... rigid? strict? frickin nuts? one guy asked me to stop holding my wifes hand during the service - it might give the children bad ideas.

 

the second one... well, it was great... the people were awsome, the preacher was a blast.. a really really great guy.. he came to our house late one morning with a printout, told us he and some friends were starting a new church, and he was out tryign to drum up folks to come. he said ' i'm not to proud to admit i'm just advertising for our new little congregation.. it's what you have to do to get butts in the seats. so tell your friends and tell them to tell theirs.. and if ya'll like us, then tell more friends and come back. i know not every church is for every person.. everyone has a different idea of how to do it, but if you don't go and find out, you'll never know if you missing the one church you are really happy at.."

 

made sene to me.. so we went... free coffee and donuts.. they had rented, temporarily, a little shabby one room place, and had set up folding chairs... there were maybe a dozen people there.. we were a little early.. so the preacher greeted us and our kids and remembered everyone's name.. really genuinly warm acceptance of us.. and we felt like he and the rest of them really were happy we were there...

 

unfortunatly, it all went sour for me when he started preaching.

not him.. he was fine.. spoke well, informally.. he threw smiles and some humor into it.. he was really engaging as a preacher...

but there was one guy down front who would throw in a loud.. " YES brother!" and " Yes.. you preach it! Preach that word!" and  so on and so forth. a couple of the women there joined him, but only a couple of times and much more quietly.. usually just " Yes!" and a ' that's right!.. no biggie.. but the one guy.. sometiems i missed the preachers words because the cheering section was too loud.

 

NOW.. don't get me wrong... i am NOT tryign to critisize the guy cheering, or the preacher for letting him do so... it was their church.. they run it the way they want, and i'm happy they found what they wanted.

but that sorta thing is just not for me. it's my problem, not theirs.. i wouldn't ask them to change how they conducted worship even if i had the right to do so..

 

i'm just a little sad that the one place i felt welcome was the one place i couldn't cope with. i guess i spent to much time in a CoC to be able to deal with an 'audience participation' congregation lol

 

so no.. we don't go to church these days... we aren't worried about it, because God is found in the heart and in the mind, not in a building anyway.

we continue to look around from time to time ( without much hope) that we'll find a church that suits us. until then we'll just stay home and enjoy the gift god gave us when our paths crossed.

 

I wonder why people have to go to church every time the doors are open. I also wonder why they read the bible over and over and over and over for years on end. You'd think they'd know it by heart after a while. What's the deal, are they thinking there's going to be something in there they've missed before? Or maybe if they read it backwards it will have a happy ending? Or is it that they think if they read it a thousand times it might ,one day, actually make sense? Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by prince albert:

First off I go to Church 3 times a week Sunday, Sunday Night and Wednesday, and God says that we may know if we know him

 

Nobody quotes Scripture anymore, just letting you know that God said it, not me.

Why do you go to church? Because you enjoy it or because you feel like you have to?

Scripture is often quoted here.

I go because I like to go and God commands it.

Heb 10:25

not forsaking our own assembling together, as the custom of some is, but exhorting one another ; and so much the more, as ye see the day drawing nigh.

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