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LOS ANGELES (AP) — Lowe's Home Improvement has found itself facing a backlash after the retail giant pulled ads from a reality show about American Muslims.

The retail giant stopped advertising on TLC's "All-American Muslim" after a conservative group known as the Florida Family Association complained, saying the program was "propaganda that riskily hides the Islamic agenda's clear and present danger to American liberties and traditional values."

The show premiered last month and chronicles the lives of five families from Dearborn, Mich., a Detroit suburb with a large Muslim and Arab-American population.

A state senator from Southern California said Sunday he was considering calling for a boycott.

Calling the Lowe's decision "un-American" and "naked religious bigotry," Sen. Ted Lieu, D-Torrance, told The Associated Press he would also consider legislative action if Lowe's doesn't apologize to Muslims and reinstate its ads. The senator sent a letter outlining his complaints to Lowe's Chief Executive Officer Robert A. Niblock.

"The show is about what it's like to be a Muslim in America, and it touches on the discrimination they sometimes face. And that kind of discrimination is exactly what's happening here with Lowe's," Lieu said.

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Good for lowes because they saw something they didn't like? It had nothing to do with what they "liked". Do you think companies put hundreds of thousands of dollars into advertising if they don't know the contents of the show? It wasn't lowes, it was one group that complained and lowes caved, and if you will read the article, it's backfiring on them.

No matter how hard we may try, someone is going to be unhappy about any decision. The final decision was Lowes as to pay for the ads or pull them & they decided it was best to pull them. The people in that community is what keeps them in business.

 

I'll be surprised if that show stays on the air for long & I've never even watched it. And before someone accuses me, no, I'm not a racist.

 

"The North Carolina-based Lowe's issued a statement apologizing for having "managed to make some people very unhappy."

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

No matter how hard we may try, someone is going to be unhappy about any decision. The final decision was Lowes as to pay for the ads or pull them & they decided it was best to pull them. The people in that community is what keeps them in business.

 

I'll be surprised if that show stays on the air for long & I've never even watched it. And before someone accuses me, no, I'm not a racist.

 

"The North Carolina-based Lowe's issued a statement apologizing for having "managed to make some people very unhappy."

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It is altogether too easy to "make some people very unhappy."  Lowe's should never have caved in to these bigots.  Those who oppose the airing of the "All-American Muslim" series are cowardly and un-American and unpatriotic in their rabid opposition to the free flow of ideas.  Those bigots  who oppose the program have decided that instead of using their own freedom of expression to intelligently state their opposing views, they will simply work to shut up those whose perspectives on American Muslims are different from theirs. In doing so, they demonstrate their own weakness.

 

  

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

What interests me semi, is the fact that people do business with muslims every day, yet they don't want any shows about muslims aired even if they don't watch them. It's not the issue that I look at so much as the way people handle it. People are hypocrites. It's amazing.

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I understand what you're saying. I don't care if the show does well or not, it's just not something I have any interest in watching, just as I don't have any interest in watching The Duggers & their 20 children.

 

There may be Muslim run business's in the Florence/Muscle Shoals area but I haven't seen any. I'm not saying there aren't any, just that I haven't come across any. I have read of one in Russellville that is suing the city over an alcohol  license.

Originally Posted by Contendah:
It is altogether too easy to "make some people very unhappy."  Lowe's should never have caved in to these bigots.  Those who oppose the airing of the "All-American Muslim" series are cowardly and un-American and unpatriotic in their rabid opposition to the free flow of ideas.  Those bigots  who oppose the program have decided that instead of using their own freedom of expression to intelligently state their opposing views, they will simply work to shut up those whose perspectives on American Muslims are different from theirs. In doing so, they demonstrate their own weakness. 

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I suppose if I had lost a loved one during 911, then I would oppose the show. Lowe's had every right to "cave in to the bigots" as you call them. It's their money that pays for the ads so I figure it's their business.

 

Those "bigots" (your word)  who opposed the program have used their own freedom of expression to intelligently state their opposing views. It was all over the news channels when it was first announced the show would be airing.

 

chick, you  say that opponents of the reality show have "used their own freedom of expression to intelligently state their opposing views."  

 

Good for them.  I am happy to hear about any person or group stating their views publicly and, presumably, intelligently.

 

I continue to be disgusted by  those who put pressure on others to prevent them from stating their views, including  extremist right wing groups that use economic pressure to impair the free flow of information and ideas.

The story really isn't about the anti-Muslim bigots.  No one is questioning their right to express their views and complain as loudly as they want about... I'm not sure what, exactly.  Putting a Muslim family on television?  The real story is that Lowe's and apparently a few other advertisers decided to go along with their bigotry by pulling their ads, and that's what people are upset about. 

Originally Posted by TheMeInTeam:

The story really isn't about the anti-Muslim bigots.  No one is questioning their right to express their views and complain as loudly as they want about... I'm not sure what, exactly.  Putting a Muslim family on television?  The real story is that Lowe's and apparently a few other advertisers decided to go along with their bigotry by pulling their ads, and that's what people are upset about. 

Stating one's views and "complaining" is not the issue.  The issue is one of using economic pressure to extort concessions from Lowe's.  It is akin to the boycotts promoted by the national group, American Family Association, against businesses who do things that the AFA does not like. AFA has boycotted Pepsi Cola and Home Depot and several others who don't meet AFA's ultraconservative standards.

 

AFA has a RIGHT to do this, but it is a low class tactic, nevertheless.

AFA has a RIGHT to do this, but it is a low class tactic, nevertheless.

 

I don't think it is.  I'm no fan of the AFA, but telling anyone who will listen to you not to shop at Company X because they did something you don't like or endorsed a political position you don't agree with is a perfectly normal and legitimate tactic for any advocacy group.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
It is altogether too easy to "make some people very unhappy."  Lowe's should never have caved in to these bigots.  Those who oppose the airing of the "All-American Muslim" series are cowardly and un-American and unpatriotic in their rabid opposition to the free flow of ideas.  Those bigots  who oppose the program have decided that instead of using their own freedom of expression to intelligently state their opposing views, they will simply work to shut up those whose perspectives on American Muslims are different from theirs. In doing so, they demonstrate their own weakness. 

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I suppose if I had lost a loved one during 911, then I would oppose the show. Lowe's had every right to "cave in to the bigots" as you call them. It's their money that pays for the ads so I figure it's their business.

 

Those "bigots" (your word)  who opposed the program have used their own freedom of expression to intelligently state their opposing views. It was all over the news channels when it was first announced the show would be airing.

 

Wait, what? You would oppose the show if you lost a loved one during 9/11? Way to lump the entire Muslim community into one.

Originally Posted by TheMeInTeam:

AFA has a RIGHT to do this, but it is a low class tactic, nevertheless.

 

I don't think it is.  I'm no fan of the AFA, but telling anyone who will listen to you not to shop at Company X because they did something you don't like or endorsed a political position you don't agree with is a perfectly normal and legitimate tactic for any advocacy group.

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That is indeed a normal course of action for immature, tunnel-visioned persons.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I doubt if even ONE of them bothered to watch the show. Then people ask why atheists bother with or care what "christians" do. This is what christians want for our country. Well that and the beheading of atheists or others whose lifestyles their bible doesn't approve. 

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Now, no doubt you are going to accuse me of "following you around" on the forum, but as I already told you, I WILL jump on any posts you or anyone else makes that contain such LIES. Tell me, what Christian has ever said they want to behead atheists? None. It's just another case of you exaggerating, stretching the truth, or outright lying. All three of those are typical of you.

 

Now, no doubt you are going to accuse me of "following you around" on the forum, but as I already told you, I WILL jump on any posts you or anyone else makes that contain such LIES. Tell me, what Christian has ever said they want to behead atheists? None. It's just another case of you exaggerating, stretching the truth, or outright lying. All three of those are typical of you.

 

 

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You do follow me around. No it's not a lie, exaggeration or stretching the truth. It is exactly what christians would do if given their way. I guess you christians have finally rewritten history so that they never hanged or burned people at the stake, or did all sorts of other nasty things to people did they? YOU'RE the biggest liar ever to have a gut stuck in them. Now I know it's that "time of the month" that you want to fight with me, and I know you've been chomping at the bits to do it because it's been a while, but this is the last post to you I'm making on the subject so you can just save it. And while you're "jumping" you can show me where I posted a christian SAID anything. I have one suggestion as to where you could jump and you know where that is.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Now, no doubt you are going to accuse me of "following you around" on the forum, but as I already told you, I WILL jump on any posts you or anyone else makes that contain such LIES. Tell me, what Christian has ever said they want to behead atheists? None. It's just another case of you exaggerating, stretching the truth, or outright lying. All three of those are typical of you.

 

 

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You do follow me around. No it's not a lie, exaggeration or stretching the truth. It is exactly what christians would do if given their way. I guess you christians have finally rewritten history so that they never hanged or burned people at the stake, or did all sorts of other nasty things to people did they? YOU'RE the biggest liar ever to have a gut stuck in them. Now I know it's that "time of the month" that you want to fight with me, and I know you've been chomping at the bits to do it because it's been a while, but this is the last post to you I'm making on the subject so you can just save it. And while you're "jumping" you can show me where I posted a christian SAID anything. I have one suggestion as to where you could jump and you know where that is.

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You just LOVE using semantics to try to weasel out of what you said. No, you never said a Christian TOLD you they'd like to have atheists beheaded. You just pulled it out of the air, I guess, that that is what Christians want. Hey, I thought you had some friends who were Christians. Why don't you go tell THEM that you think they want you beheaded? You, Jennifer dear, are a liar and a weasel. But other than our mutual friend Semi, everybody here KNOWS that.

 
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

I suppose if I had lost a loved one during 911, then I would oppose the show. Lowe's had every right to "cave in to the bigots" as you call them. It's their money that pays for the ads so I figure it's their business.

 

Those "bigots" (your word)  who opposed the program have used their own freedom of expression to intelligently state their opposing views. It was all over the news channels when it was first announced the show would be airing.

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Originally Posted by hayssco23:

Wait, what? You would oppose the show if you lost a loved one during 9/11? Way to lump the entire Muslim community into one.

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Are you a Muslim? Sounds like you're offended by my words.

 

I said I suppose I would. I didn't lose a loved one during 911 so I can't say how I would feel. Are you defending the Muslims that drove those planes into the Twin Towers?

Sen. Ted Lieu, D-Torrance, told The Associated Press he would also consider legislative action if Lowe's doesn't apologize to Muslims and reinstate its ads. The senator sent a letter outlining his complaints to Lowe's Chief Executive Officer Robert A. Niblock.

 

 

Heads up, Ted. This is still the United States, and I don't think you can FORCE a business to reinstate ads. Moron.

This guy should be impeached.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
 
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

I suppose if I had lost a loved one during 911, then I would oppose the show. Lowe's had every right to "cave in to the bigots" as you call them. It's their money that pays for the ads so I figure it's their business.

 

Those "bigots" (your word)  who opposed the program have used their own freedom of expression to intelligently state their opposing views. It was all over the news channels when it was first announced the show would be airing.

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Originally Posted by hayssco23:

Wait, what? You would oppose the show if you lost a loved one during 9/11? Way to lump the entire Muslim community into one.

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Are you a Muslim? Sounds like you're offended by my words.

 

I said I suppose I would. I didn't lose a loved one during 911 so I can't say how I would feel. Are you defending the Muslims that drove those planes into the Twin Towers?

I am not Muslim, and I am not defending the Muslims that flew the planes into the Twin Towers. I am however, defending the millions of God-fearing, peaceful Muslims that live among us and help better our society. If I were defending Tim Tebow and his beliefs, would you believe that I was defending the Westboro Baptist Church  or General Laurent Nkunda and other "Christian" people who have attacked/killed others in the name of Christ? Should I lump you into that group? Your argument lacks any comprehension skills at all.

 

(and the Hitler mustache comment above was also spot on in comparison to your ridiculous attempt to lump all Muslims into one)

Originally Posted by hayssco23:
I am however, defending the millions of God-fearing, peaceful Muslims that live among us and help better our society. If I were defending Tim Tebow and his beliefs, would you believe that I was defending the Westboro Baptist Church  or General Laurent Nkunda and other "Christian" people who have attacked/killed others in the name of Christ? Should I lump you into that group? Your argument lacks any comprehension skills at all.

(and the Hitler mustache comment above was also spot on in comparison to your ridiculous attempt to lump all Muslims into one)

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I don't know any of those "God-fearing, peaceful Muslims that live among us" so how can I defend them? My opinion is mine & I was only questioning your reasoning. Doesn't necessarily make me a bad person, or mean that I lack any comprehension skills.

 

As far as lumping me into that group of "Christian" people who have attacked/killed others in the name of Christ, you must not of ever read my views on Christianity.

 

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by hayssco23:
I am however, defending the millions of God-fearing, peaceful Muslims that live among us and help better our society. If I were defending Tim Tebow and his beliefs, would you believe that I was defending the Westboro Baptist Church  or General Laurent Nkunda and other "Christian" people who have attacked/killed others in the name of Christ? Should I lump you into that group? Your argument lacks any comprehension skills at all.

(and the Hitler mustache comment above was also spot on in comparison to your ridiculous attempt to lump all Muslims into one)

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I don't know any of those "God-fearing, peaceful Muslims that live among us" so how can I defend them? My opinion is mine & I was only questioning your reasoning. Doesn't necessarily make me a bad person, or mean that I lack any comprehension skills.

 

As far as lumping me into that group of "Christian" people who have attacked/killed others in the name of Christ, you must not of ever read my views on Christianity.

 

 

 

 

 

I questioned your comprehension skills because when I asked if you were lumping all Muslims into one, you construed it as a reason to question whether I was defending terrorists, and still didn't grasp the obvious point that not all Muslims are terrorists. And while you may not know any personally, I can guarantee that you have come in contact with "God-fearing, peaceful Muslims" many times, unless you never leave your house. Most likely you have interacted with them in multiple scenarios, checking out at stores, asking for help at stores, ordering food at a restaurant. You've probably entered a store that a Muslim owned, or bought a product from a store that has a Muslim on it's board. And if you've flown, you might have (gasp!) flown on a plane with a Muslim. I suggest you watch the show which was the origin of this forum, and see that most Muslims are just like most people, with varying degrees of devotion to their religion, and normal, everyday jobs just trying to make it in the world.

This is getting us nowhere.

I can guarantee that you that I have not come in contact with "God-fearing, peaceful Muslims”. Not at stores, checking out, asking for help, or even a restaurant. I don't believe I have but I may have entered a store that a Muslim owned or shopped at one that has a Muslim on it’s board, but I wouldn't know that, would I?

If I did, I would have no contact with them unless they were in said store. Do I not have the right to shop where I chose?

No, I have not flown on a plane with a Muslim. I have flown in a small passenger plane & helicopter a few times but I can promise you there were no Muslims on board.  Just friends/family.

I leave my house quite often, we never cook at home so we eat out frequently. We purchase gas at American owned stations, (my husband chooses to buy American & support the US as often as he can) shop at Wal-mart or Foodland. If there are Muslims working there, I don’t see any but it wouldn’t bother me if they did.

I have no desire to watch the show you suggest, just as I have no desire to watch the Duggers with 20 kids. Why aren’t you jumping me about my not wanting to watch that show?

 

Those Muslims that you say are just like most people, with varying degrees of devotion to their religion, & normal, everyday jobs just trying to make it in the world. Have you ever heard them speak out against the Muslims that hate anything to do with the United States?

 

I also have a problem with Hispanics that are living/working here illegally, & living off our government but refuse to speak our language. Want to jump me about that too?

You seem to think you can obviously spot a Muslim, but the truth is you can't. I simply suggested watching the show to better educate yourself about some people of that religion. I don't readily speak out about a white man abusing little boys, but does that mean I support it? Absolutely not, just like if a Muslim isn't publicly speaking out against the attacks (by the way, they have) doesn't mean they support them. I agree that people in this country illegally can be a drain on the government, and think there are ways we can work to better foster a legal/tax paying for those to come over here. As for "speaking our language," we can't force someone to speak a language when there isn't an official one on the books. It would be to a person's benefit to know it, but your allowed to communicate however you want.

 

(also, that "American owned gas station" isn't getting it oil from America...)

If they are full blooded Muslim, yes, I can spot them.

 

I never said there was an official language on the books. I realize that no offical language exists at the federal level. English is the De facto (in practice but not necessarily ordained by law) national language of the United States, with 82% of the population claiming it as mother tongue, and some 96% claiming to speak it well or very well.

 

Have you ever been to Russellville? It’s full of Hispanics & 90% of them cannot speak English, as most people there do. Have you ever tried to have a dialog with them, to try to understand what they’re saying or try to get them to understand what you’re saying? Unless you have a spanish speaking person at your side, it’s near to impossible.

 

From what I understand, the only two companies that supply 100% American oil/fuel are Valero and Walmart-Murphy’s. Valero sells gas only from oil rigs owned by Americans. All of the oil rigs which supply the oil are in American territory (off s**** gulf) with the exception of one, which is in Canadian territory.

 

This has been interesting, but I'm outta here.


 

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