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your rape, that is:

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/19/todd-akin-abortion-legitimate-rape_n_1807381.html?utm_source=DailyBrief&utm_campaign=082012&utm_medium=email&utm_content=FeatureTitle&utm_term=Daily%20Brief#slide=1003370

 

And take note of the dissertation this nutjob gives concerning a woman's selective rejection of a rape-conceived embryo:

 

"If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."

 

I yam what I yam and that's all I yam--but it is enough!

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Are you saying every claim of rape is legitimate?

 

Some years back a woman was charged with murder when her husband shot and killed her lover.  The husband returned home early and found them having sex outside the house.  She yelled rape and the husband grabbed his pistol and killed the lover.  I don't have a link to the story, but I saw it on national news when the story broke.  Also remember something about some college hockey players who were accused of rape by a stripper or prostitute and it ended up being about money. 

 

This stuff happens more than you think. 

 

I agree with the "body shutting down preventing pregnancy" statement being bogus.  But there have been rape claims found not to be legitimate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even Republicans are urging this moron to drop out of the race.  His gaffe makes Joe Biden look like the essence of restrained understatement.  Senator McCaskill couldn't have gotten a better boost from anyone.

 

Akin says he "misspoke."  Yaw-n-n-n-n...that excuse is getting very old.  These days a politician could say, "I am going to behead your grandmother" and then just claim to have misspoken and think that makes everything all right.  Tired of it.  They need to put their brains in gear before they speak; then they might not utter such inanities as Akin did.  He is political dead meat and he is his own butcher.

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This also from a man that helped Ryan co-sponsor a bill that used the term "forcible rape" WTH is that? That is like saying lethal murder, or deceitful lying. If its rape, it was forced. Does a woman have to be beaten to a certain degree for them to consider it "forcible"?

 

He has misspoke before it seems on the same issue. I see a pattern here.

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

This also from a man that helped Ryan co-sponsor a bill that used the term "forcible rape" WTH is that? That is like saying lethal murder, or deceitful lying. If its rape, it was forced. Does a woman have to be beaten to a certain degree for them to consider it "forcible"?

 

He has misspoke before it seems on the same issue. I see a pattern here.

There doesn't have to be any beating involved for a woman to be raped--she can be drugged (and therefore unable to consent) or underage (ditto, from the legal perspective).

 

...not that it makes his statement any better.

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

This also from a man that helped Ryan co-sponsor a bill that used the term "forcible rape" WTH is that? That is like saying lethal murder, or deceitful lying. If its rape, it was forced. Does a woman have to be beaten to a certain degree for them to consider it "forcible"?

 

He has misspoke before it seems on the same issue. I see a pattern here.

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Statistics on forcible rapes are called into question

FBI report of precipitous drop in Worcester upsets victim advocates

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http://www.janedoe.org/whats_h...called_into_question

 

RAPE

 

Rape is usually defined as the act of forcing sexual intercourse upon an unwilling victim. In the United States, rape was traditionally considered an act that occurred only against females and only outside marriage. In recent decades, however, some states have broadened the legal definition to include other forms of sexual contact and to include spouses and males as possible victims.

 

Legally, there are two kinds of rape, forcible and statutory, and both are treated as felonies in the United States.

Forcible rape is defined as sexual intercourse with a nonconsenting victim through the use or the threat of force.

Statutory rape is defined as sexual intercourse with a person under a specified age. This age varies from state to state and country to country but usually ranges from 12 to 18 years. Sexual intercourse with a person who is mentally deficient or unconscious and therefore incapable of giving consent is also sometimes considered statutory rape.


http://www.ageofconsent.com/comments/rapedefined.htm

 

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

No idea why that posted in such small print. But you should still be able to read it. It defines rape-as statutory and forcible.

http://www.ageofconsent.com/comments/rapedefined.htm

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That is good information. From the context of his remarks, the congressman seems to be saying that the victims of a non-forcible rape, including unconscious, feeble-minded, and consenting under-age victims, would not be entitled to the same consideration as the victims of a "forcible rape."  However, his proposed legislation, the "Sanctity of Human Life Act," (which apparently went nowhere),  makes no distinction between types of rape and thus would provide no relief to any rape victim, irrespective of the circumstances of the rape.  Here is the "Akin-Ryan Bill":

 

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/B...BILLS-112hr212ih.pdf

Originally Posted by Aeneas:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

This also from a man that helped Ryan co-sponsor a bill that used the term "forcible rape" WTH is that? That is like saying lethal murder, or deceitful lying. If its rape, it was forced. Does a woman have to be beaten to a certain degree for them to consider it "forcible"?

 

He has misspoke before it seems on the same issue. I see a pattern here.

There doesn't have to be any beating involved for a woman to be raped--she can be drugged (and therefore unable to consent) or underage (ditto, from the legal perspective).

 

...not that it makes his statement any better.

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That was my point. What do they say constitutes forcible rape? To me all rape is forced regardless of what method is used.

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by Aeneas:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

This also from a man that helped Ryan co-sponsor a bill that used the term "forcible rape" WTH is that? That is like saying lethal murder, or deceitful lying. If its rape, it was forced. Does a woman have to be beaten to a certain degree for them to consider it "forcible"?

 

He has misspoke before it seems on the same issue. I see a pattern here.

There doesn't have to be any beating involved for a woman to be raped--she can be drugged (and therefore unable to consent) or underage (ditto, from the legal perspective).

 

...not that it makes his statement any better.

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That was my point. What do they say constitutes forcible rape? To me all rape is forced regardless of what method is used.

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I must differ with your conclusion.  STATUTORY rape involves sexual intercourse by a person over the age of consent with a person below that age. It is altogether possible for that kind of intercourse to happen under circumstances where the under-age person is fully consenting and is in no way "forced."  It happens all the time in the back seats of parked cars.  In none of this do I intend to be defending the comments of Representative Akin.  His legislation, as written, would deny abortion to all women, with no exception for rape of any kind, incest, or anything else.

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by Aeneas:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

This also from a man that helped Ryan co-sponsor a bill that used the term "forcible rape" WTH is that? That is like saying lethal murder, or deceitful lying. If its rape, it was forced. Does a woman have to be beaten to a certain degree for them to consider it "forcible"?

 

He has misspoke before it seems on the same issue. I see a pattern here.

There doesn't have to be any beating involved for a woman to be raped--she can be drugged (and therefore unable to consent) or underage (ditto, from the legal perspective).

 

...not that it makes his statement any better.

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That was my point. What do they say constitutes forcible rape? To me all rape is forced regardless of what method is used.

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I must differ with your conclusion.  STATUTORY rape involves sexual intercourse by a person over the age of consent with a person below that age. It is altogether possible for that kind of intercourse to happen under circumstances where the under-age person is fully consenting and is in no way "forced."  It happens all the time in the back seats of parked cars.  In none of this do I intend to be defending the comments of Representative Akin.  His legislation, as written, would deny abortion to all women, with no exception for rape of any kind, incest, or anything else.

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Don't forget his co-sponsor on that bill.....Paul Ryan.

 

I stand corrected. I do hate the term forcible rape though. It seems to say that women who are not physically forced in some way, or beaten, are not being raped, even if they have not consented. I know that there are some women who have not fought, and in some cases went along with a rapist out of fear of what he MIGHT do to them. Doesn't mean they willingly gave consent, just means they didn't want to be beaten or killed by the rapist.

 

I do know that the term "forcible rape" was part of the language in the bill sponsored by Ryan and Akin. It was later removed after several groups spoke out against the term.

This is a classic example of magical thinking. You believe that abortion can never be allowed, but you're not so blind that you can't see how much it can destroy a woman's life to force her to have her rapist's baby, so what to do? Simply choose to believe that rape doesn't result in pregnancy. Success! Fundamentalist worldview preserved!

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