Bilderburg: We were told they didn't exist.

Nobody I know or have read about has told me that the Bilderbergers "didn't exist." Surely that assertion and the rest of your post are submitted with tongue deeply embedded in cheek!

Never heard of it, but it seems it not much of a secret. Wiki.

Main article: List of Bilderberg meetings

Bilderberg Group

Hotel de Bilderberg (2007), name-giving location of the first conference in 1954
Formation     29 May 1954 (58 years ago)
Membership     ~150 invitees, smaller core group
Chairmen of the Steering Committee     Henri de Castries
Website     www.bilderbergmeetings.org

The Bilderberg Group, Bilderberg conference, or Bilderberg Club is an annual, unofficial, invitation-only conference of approximately 120 to 140 guests from North America and Western Europe, most of whom are people of influence.[1][2] About one-third are from government and politics, and two-thirds from finance, industry, labour, education and communications. Meetings are closed to the public.
Chairmen of the Steering Committee

    Prince Bernhard of Lippe-Biesterfeld (1954–1975)[14]
    Walter Scheel (1975–1977)[5]
    Alec Douglas-Home (1977–1980)[14]
    Eric Roll, Baron Roll of Ipsden (1986–1989)[15]
    Peter Carington, 6th Baron Carrington (1990–1998)[5]
    Étienne Davignon (1998–2001)[7]
    Henri de Castries (since 2001)

Recent meetings:

    2005 (5–8 May) at the Dorint Sofitel Seehotel Überfahrt in Rottach-Egern, Germany[22]
    2006 (8–11 June) at the Brookstreet Hotel in Kanata, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada[23]
    2007 (31 May – 3 June) at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel,[24] in Şişli, Istanbul, Turkey.
    2008 (5–8 June) at the Westfields Marriott in Chantilly, Virginia, United States[12][25]
    2009 (14–16 May) at the Astir Palace resort in Athens, Greece[26][27]
    2010 (3–7 June) at the Hotel Dolce in Sitges, Spain[28]
    2011 (9–12 June) at the Suvretta House in St. Moritz, Switzerland
    2012 (31 May - 3 June) at Westfields Marriott hotel in Chantilly, Virginia, USA

For American politicians to attend these meeting are clear violations of Federal law, namely the Logan Act, that clearly states that it is against the law for federal officeholders to meet foreign heads of state without permission.

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 For many years we were told that a belief in the existence of bilderburg was a conspiracy theory. Only tinfoil hatted people belive in them. The media never covers them and observes blackouts in the media regarding them.

 The latest reports on bilderburg are only because others have dragged them into the light and now the media MUST report on them.

Maybe you shouldn't have listened to the ones that told you they didn't exist and just gone to their website.

http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/index.php

Builderburg wants to pick the republican vice president nominee. After all, they are paying for Romney's campaign.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76518.html

I "repeat":

Maybe you shouldn't have listened to the ones that told you they didn't exist and just gone to their website.

http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/index.php

Who's paying for obama's campaign?

Did you read that article?

 

But the most immediate issue on the agenda, he said, will be a decision on “Should the elite get behind Mitt Romney or Barack Obama? Both men are bought and paid for by the same financial interests, and so the discussion will be which candidate can basically con the American people into laying down to tyranny for another four years.”

 

Over the years, the meetings have drawn Obama cabinet members Tim Geithner and Kathleen Sebelius, not to mention Margaret Thatcher, Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, King Juan Carlos of Spain, Tony Blair, Condoleezza Rice, Rick Perry and top officials from BP, Barclays and the Bank of England.

More recent guest lists have been heavy on politically active techies, including Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes and Google Chief Executive Eric Schmidt — both of whom have assisted Obama — and Peter Thiel, who co-founded PayPal and was the first major investor in Facebook. He has donated $125,000 to the Bilderberg nonprofit and contributed $2.6 million to a super PAC supporting Ron Paul’s bid for the GOP presidential nomination.

Best,

 Anything that involves the jesuits and the masons in most certainly not good for the world, or us for that matter. The jesuits are the ones responsible for the bloody Inquisition.

Crummy,The person mentioned may have indeed given money to Paul's campaign, either to try to control him, or maybe he really believes in his message. Either way, for the elite, Romney's their man. Obummer is the backup.

The bilderburgers have steering committees whose job it is to implement their ideas in government. One such committe is the Council on Foreign Relations. This is an entirely privately funded group. They are not a government agency.

 Cheney on his role.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOAk-7F1EVU

Now,

 **** Cheney, Director of the CFR, a Bilderberg committee, becomes vice president.

 Before he was Veep, he helped fund and aut****d a plan to americanize the entire world, either militarily or economically. That plan was called Rebuilding America's Defenses.

 Cheney bemoaned the fact that there was no will among the American people to implement this plan, and he specifically stated, "We need a Pearl Harbor type event to galvanize the American people".

 Then conveniently, we got 9/11.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjGN-9Rjdgo&feature=related

It's about money and power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chXjCtkymRQ&feature=related

 "We need a Pearl Harbor type event to galvanize the American people".

Where's the link to that claim? 

Extra, why do you distort the truth, and if that doesn't work, just out right lie???

Extra is right.  The Bildeburgers are in league with the Space Aliens and Bigfoot to bring down the human species.

They possess mind powers that can only be thwarted by the proper use of aluminum foil hats.  Shiny side out!

DF

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Hey there ole buddy.

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Project for the New American Century, a think tank steered by D!ck Cheney.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/nc-pilger.html

You're the one that lied about what Cheney said. You posted:

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 Cheney bemoaned the fact that there was no will among the American people to implement this plan, and he specifically stated, "We need a Pearl Harbor type event to galvanize the American people".

You must not like America much then. The U.S was founded basically by Masons, the Revolution was planned in Masonic Halls, and the Constitution is based upon Masonic principals. 

I think you are very misinformed about that organization.

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 What don't you understand. Cheney was one of the authors of that document that declared we need a new Pearl Harbor. And not only that, he signed his name at the bottom of the document that declared this very thing.

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 Seeweed, In any discussion about masons, one must differentiate between the blue lodge and the higher ranks, York Rite or Scottish Rite. The person Best referenced was 33 degree. anyone that high is completely decieved by the demons that govern that religion.

NO!

"The Logan Act is a United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments. It was passed in 1799 and last amended in 1994. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act

No law against meeting.  Only, against negotiating. In 200 years, no one was ever prosecuted for violating the law. 

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Oh I don't understand? I understand that you posted a lie, and I can read. It DID NOT state that we "needed a pearl harbor". Once more, the lie you posted.

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Cheney bemoaned the fact that there was no will among the American people to implement this plan, and he specifically stated, "We need a Pearl Harbor type event to galvanize the American people".

Does anyone know what all this is supposed to be about? I am completely lost and feel like I'm watching a propaganda channel from the old Soviet Union.

Des this include the Illuminati lizards by any chance?

 Seeweed, In any discussion about masons, one must differentiate between the blue lodge and the higher ranks, York Rite or Scottish Rite. The person Best referenced was 33 degree. anyone that high is completely decieved by the demons that govern that religion.

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Who did I "reference"? You made a thread about an organization that isn't even mildly secretive and tried to say it was super secretive and had been "exposed".  (Thanks to the actions of real americans like Alex Jones, the secretive group "Bilderburg" is being dragged into the light of day). I showed you proof that it is in no way a "secret". I showed you a list of some of the members when you claimed they were backing romney and picking his vp. You twisted a statement to mean something that it did not mean, and then claimed **** cheney had made that statement. Who's the deceptive one here extra? It sure looks like it's you.

The actual statement was:

Section V of Rebuilding America's Defenses, entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force", includes the sentence: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor"

http://www.webcitation.org/5e3est5lT

Cheney was NOT one of the participants that produced the report.  A list may be seen on the last page.  

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The PNAC philosophy was formed in response to the ending of Cold War hostilities with Russia and the emergence of America as the world's only preeminent superpower. Claiming that this is a "strategic moment" that should not be squandered, members of PNAC say that America should use its position to advance its power and interests into all areas of the globe. They believe the time is ripe for establishing democracies in regimes considered hostile to U.S. interests and are not hesitant to advise the use of military means to achieve those ends.

PNAC members on the Bush team include Vice-President **** Cheney and his top national security assistant, I. Lewis Libby; Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld; Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz; National Security Council member Eliot Abrams; Undersecretary for Arms Control and International Security John Bolton; and former Chairman of the Defense Policy Board, Richard Perle. Other PNAC members exerting influence on U.S. policy are the President of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq Randy Scheunemann, Republican Party leader Bruce Jackson and current PNAC chairman William Kristol, conservative writer for the Weekly Standard. Jeb Bush, the president's brother and governor of Florida, is also a member.

http://www.informationclearing...info/article3249.htm

Vice President D!ck Cheney is a founding member of PNAC, along with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Defense Policy Board chairman Richard Perle. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz is the ideological father of the group. Bruce Jackson, a PNAC director, served as a Pentagon official for Ronald Reagan before leaving government service to take a leading position with the weapons manufacturer Lockheed Martin.

 More.

http://www.informationclearing...info/article1665.htm

 Yes, Cheney wanted a new Pearl Harbor.

PNAC's "Rebuilding America's Defenses" report is the institutionalization of plans and ideologies that have been formulated for decades by the men currently running American government. The PNAC Statement of Principles is signed by Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld, as well as by Eliot Abrams, Jeb Bush, Bush's special envoy to Afghanistan Zalmay Khalilzad, and many others. William Kristol, famed conservative writer for the Weekly Standard, is also a co-founder of the group. The Weekly Standard is owned by Ruppert Murdoch, who also owns international media giant Fox News.

 Posting the lie over and over will never make it true. 

Now you're cookin', Extra!  ***gettabout Bilderberger; the Neocons and their PNAC are the real threat to sensible international relations and stability on this planet. Cheney and his crowd of warmongering imperalist swine are the REAL threat.

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Do you have a newsletter?  I really would like to hear your theories on how the Inquisition was started by an organization that wasn't founded until 300-400 years later.

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Whether Jesuits or demonic miscreants from some other order, the perpetrators of the Inquisition were Catholics and their actions were hideously d*amnable.

You'll get no argument from me over how horrible the inquisition was, but anyone laying the blame on a group of people who didn't come around for a few more centuries (even if they did coexist for a time) is astoundingly ignorant at best.  It's like blaming modern-era Republicans and Democrats for the slavery that existed prior to the civil war.

You can disbelieve if you want to. You can even make jokes about lizard men, flying saucers, and Bigfoot. But what you can't legitimately deny is that the report from The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) exists and that **** Cheney was involved. 

Here it is:

"New Pearl Harbor"

Section V of Rebuilding America's Defenses, entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force", includes the sentence: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor" (51).^[14]

 

Though not arguing that Bush administration PNAC members were complicit in those attacks, other social critics such as commentator Manuel Valenzuela and journalist Mark Danner,^[41][42][43] investigative journalist John Pilger, in New Statesman,^[44] and former editor of The San Francisco Chronicle Bernard Weiner, in CounterPunch,^[45] all argue that PNAC members used the events of 9/11 as the "Pearl Harbor" that they needed––that is, as an "opportunity" to "capitalize on" (in Pilger's words), in order to enact long-desired plans.

 

 

Signatories to Statement of Principles

 

Elliott Abrams[5] Gary Bauer[5] William J. Bennett[5] John Ellis "Jeb" Bush[5] Richard B. Cheney[5] Eliot A. Cohen[5] Midge Decter[5] Paula Dobriansky[5] Steve Forbes[5] Aaron Friedberg[5] Francis ***uyama[5] Frank Gaffney[5] Fred C. Ikle[5]

Donald Kagan[5] Zalmay Khalilzad[5] I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby[5] Norman Pod****tz[5] J. Danforth Quayle[5] Peter W. Rodman[5] Stephen P. Rosen[5] Henry S. Rowen[5] Donald Rumsfeld[5] Vin Weber[5] George Weigel[5] Paul Wolfowitz[5]

 

 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...New_American_Century

Here is the actual publication:

Rebuilding America’s Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century

V. CREATING TOMORROW’S DOMINANT FORCE

p. 51

Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor.

 

 http://newamericancentury.org/...AmericasDefenses.pdf

also:

http://www.webcitation.org/5e3est5lT

I didn't hear him objecting when the opportunity was handed the neo-cons, either. Instead, they picked it up and ran with it -- just as they said they planned to do if it ever happened. Cheney had already signed on "in principle."

You can disbelieve if you want to. You can even make jokes about lizard men, flying saucers, and Bigfoot. But what you can't legitimately deny is that the report from The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) exists and that **** Cheney was involved. 

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Where have I mentioned "lizard men, flying saucers and bigfoot"? You're as bad as extra for twisting what people post. It's no joke when people like you and extra do that. Some gullible people might actually believe the lies. Cheney DID NOT MAKE THE STATEMENT EXTRA SAID HE MADE. He lied when he said he did. I haven't "denied" anything. Extra is the one that said bilderberg was a huge secret, I posted proof it wasn't. Go to the web site and look at the list of DEMOCRATS there.

It was me who brought up the lizards.  A good conspiracy theory must always have lizards.

Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor"

That is not asking for a 'Pearl Harbor' but stating that a catastrophic event would cause a more rapid transformation.

Compare that to Paul Krugman's brilliant statement of aliens invading:

PAUL KRUGMAN, NEW YORK TIMES: This is hard to get people to do, much better, obviously, to build bridges and roads and healthcare clinics and schools. But my proposed, I actually have a serious proposal which is that we have to get a bunch of scientists to tell us that we're facing a threatened alien invasion, and in order to be prepared for that alien invasion we have to do things like build high-speed rail. And the, once we've recovered, we can say, “Look, there were no aliens.”

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 Once again, the document was written by PNAC, D!ck Cheney is a member of PNAC, not pnly that, he is one of the leaders. You take a long leap to expect that the leader of the group who wrote the document didn't know or agree with it's content.

 On bilderburg, since you are only about 12 yeaRS old or so, I can remember 30 or 40 years ago when it was denied. To mention it 20 yeaRS ago made you a kook.

  Welcome to the kooks.

This is isn't 30 or 40 years ago, and that is not what you posted. YOU posted that it was just now being "dragged into the light", and people were denying it NOW. Plus you are ignoring the fact that democrats are members, You can twist and turn, but like all your other stories this doesn't hold together. Now you didn't say cheney was a member or whatever, you stated over and over again that he had said "we need a pearl harbor." Since it was never said, you can't honestly claim he said it. Twist and squirm all you want, you have zero credibility.

Cheney never made the statement attributed to him, nor wrote any of the report.  Just another worn propaganda trick attempting guilt by association.  McCarthy would be proud.

Jesuits and Mason were antithetical -- rather like cats and dogs.

Why do you think that statement was directed to you? My, my, everything has to be about you -- always thinking you are at the center of things -- when you aren't even involved at all! Your situational  unawareness and shallow thinking amazes me.

Laying off the Goebbels for a while? Now that was what was getting worn.

If Cheney didn't agree with such, and didn't want to be associated with it, why didn't he do the honorable thing and resign? Logical answer is that he did agree with it.

Guilt by association is called "accessory" -- a well-recognized principle in law.

Originally Posted by The Propagandist:

So by that logic, Obama actually was guilty of terrorists acts by being associated with Bill Ayers?

Or is he a communist because he idolized  Frank Marshall Davis, a member of the Communist Party USA?

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You're kidding right? Amazing! You want to look at your post? You replied to ME. 

 My, my, everything has to be about you -- always thinking you are at the center of things -- when you aren't even involved at all! Your situational  unawareness and shallow thinking amazes me.

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And that post, like your others, makes NO sense at all. 

I'll continue the Goebbels when you use his methods. Otherwise, your commitment to state collectivism and xenophobic beliefs are pretty much on track.  As there was nothing of harm perpetrated, there's no guilt.  Unless, one is a truther,  -- a conspiracy belief that makes birthers look sane.  

Goebbels wasn't the original, only an imitator of forms of propaganda. You use him merely because he conjures up images of evil in a way that Plato or Machiavelli don't.

There is nothing of harm perpetrated by being or having been a member of the Communist Party. That is legal in the United States, as is any political party, so long as you don't advocate the forcible overthrow of legally-constituted government.

So how can McCarthy attempt "guilt by association" if neither illegality or harm is present?

Yet much harm was perpetrated against untold numbers of innocents by McCarthy who had never come near the Communist Party. 

The Propagandist 

Hall of Famer

 

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Originally Posted by Bestworking:

You're the one that lied about what Cheney said. You posted:

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 Cheney bemoaned the fact that there was no will among the American people to implement this plan, and he specifically stated, "We need a Pearl Harbor type event to galvanize the American people".

 

You can disbelieve if you want to. You can even make jokes about lizard men, flying saucers, and Bigfoot. But what you can't legitimately deny is that the report from The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) exists and that **** Cheney was involved. 

 

Here it is:

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So slick, exactly who WERE you talking to if not me? 

I must have confused you with someone else. My apologies.

I must have confused you with someone else. My apologies.

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No problem.

Deflection, as usual, one of the Proper Propagandist's little methods.  Propie attempted to associate Cheney with a statement that Chaney did not make. In addition, he tries to associate the think tank with 9/11 simply because of one statement.  Truthers, like Propie, tend to do this.  

As to McCarthy, his worst crime was to accuse persons usually only parlor pinks, while the real red agents went about their work.  Most of the cleansing of red agents was done quietly by the FBI and UK intell. 

You have a habit of flinging associations hoping one of them will stick. So let me shoot down your newest of sticky association attempts.

Truthers, of which I am not one, say that the administration was responsible for causing 9/11; that without their involvement it wouldn't have happened; and that however the alleged hijackers were involved that they were put into action by those in the administration.

I don't say that. 

What I say is that an organization that Cheney was signatory of the Statement of Principles of the Project for the New American Century (PANC); PANC produced a report Rebuilding American Defenses that said "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor;" the report was developed in accordance with the Principles that Cheney signed on to and he never disagreed or repudiated the report; and that when that "new Pearl Harbor" event happened, they saw their chance, grabbed it, and ran with it. 

In other words, Cheney was in full agreement with the report.

McKinley had his U.S.S. Maine in Havana Harbor; Lincoln had his Fort Sumter; and Polk had his Rio Grande-Nueces River controversy about the border of Texas. None of them caused those events to happen, but when they did happen, they were ready with a preconceived plan. However, the response and resulting consequences of their actions were out of all proportion with the triggering event. 

I might have missed it, but how can you have a conspiracy theory without the Rothschilds? Even David Icke names them. Oh well, maybe this will get the conspiracy junkies all a flutter... Rockefeller and Rothschild Dynasties Join Forces

As for 'The Propagandist', AKA 'in excors', Machiavelli was not evil, he was just a very keen observer of human nature and behavior in group settings as well as individual human behavior.

Propie's own words:

Truthers, of which I am not one, say that the administration was responsible for causing 9/11; that without their involvement it wouldn't have happened; and that however the alleged hijackers were involved that they were put into action by those in the administration.

I don't say that. 

What I say is that an organization that Cheney was signatory of the Statement of Principles of the Project for the New American Century (PANC); PANC produced a report Rebuilding American Defenses that said "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor;" the report was developed in accordance with the Principles that Cheney signed on to and he never disagreed or repudiated the report; and that when that "new Pearl Harbor" event happened, they saw their chance, grabbed it, and ran with it. 

In other words, Cheney was in full agreement with the report.

Our Proper Propagandist claims not to be a truther.  Perhaps!  I suggest he review his posts over the years, as his comments tend towards their views.

In true propagandist fashion, Propie takes one partial statement, less than a full sentence, within a long report and attempts to indict Cheney and the Bush Administration.  Like I stated, McCarthy would be proud.  It weak tea and he knows it.  At least, he didn’t imply that Cheney actually made the statement.   

Propie, again:

McKinley had his U.S.S. Maine in Havana Harbor; Lincoln had his Fort Sumter; and Polk had his Rio Grande-Nueces River controversy about the border of Texas. None of them caused those events to happen, but when they did happen, they were ready with a preconceived plan. However, the response and resulting consequences of their actions were out of all proportion with the triggering event. 

The Maine Incident was the final straw.  Spain’s establishment of concentration camps in Cuba was the main reason for intervention.  As to the other two, add the actual Pearl Harbor attack, the US Navy acted upon war plans made a decade before.  So, include FDR. I question why a plan would not be in the files.  DoD gets dinged for not having a plan. 

I couldn`t believe you could get nuttier...Then you do. Oh by the way did you know that the Bilderburgs are eating babies at their retreat?

Where are the Illuminati?  They're supposed to be the fathers of all the conspiracies!  Bilderbergers -- Johnny Come Lately's.