BREAKING NEWS: shooting, Discovery Middle School in Madison Co.

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You are absolutely right. I meant everything I said. How classically twisted and narrow-minded to quote just one of my statements, and the one that has the least to do with the topic. Please don't reduce the loss of a young life to something as trivial as what I think about some of you. You know what I was saying in several other posts here and for you to try to sum it all like that is unconscionable and disrespectful, not to me ( I don't care about that) but to the people who are suffering. I know I said I wasn't going to post about this again, but I don't want any late readers to miss everything else I said that you didn't bother quoting. How selfish you

I thought you "went away"?
Obviously NOT!

Let me see if I can put this in terms you good folks can understand... you people are too busy complaining about the one speed bump on a twenty mile stretch of road full of potholes to notice that the potholes are a bigger problem than the speed bump. You focus on everything else except the important issue here, which is not what I think about this area or whether or not I post after I said I wouldn't. You all need to focus on this tragedy, the families of the victim and the assailant, and what could have been done and what can be done to prevent this from happening to anyone else.

You need to take your "Meds"
Should it be Valium...or some other drug to "mellow" you out on posting.
There is no reason to "insult" other posts...just because we are the "backward" South.

Case in point.

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Originally posted by Freida:
I heard that the school was not protected with metal detectors.

Metal detectors in public buildings are a 'feel good patch' and do very little to provide any sort of 'protection'.

emotions are high. this is a time for peace.
i understand all points in this argument.

i feel both of you are right.
some parents do raise their children well, some don't. it's been that way since the dawn of time.

a 14 year old should be responsible for their own actions.

parents, please talk to your kids. talk about how their day went, drugs, dating, bullies.....
just talk. talking may not solve the problem, but it may get the problem known.

kids, sometimes it's o.k. to take an azz whippin'. at least you get up in the morning.
in my day, we took our azz whippin's and went down the road. now, we're productive members of society. maybe corporal punishment wasn't so bad after all.

I didn't want to say it, but since dogsoldier already did, the metal detectors thing? They would just commit the crime outside the building.

Or they would buy a GLock or polymer type gun that can't be picked up.

Well, since this is going to keep coming up on this thread whether I respond or not, I'll go ahead and respond as well.

forumaddict2, narrow-mindedness and ignorance is not exclusive to the South. Some of the biggest bigots I've ever encountered were not born or raised in the South. It's a shame you will miss the South's best attributes (there are MANY) because, to borrow the phrase you used earlier, you cannot see the forest for the trees.

Please allow me remind you that it was you who steered us away from the topic of this thread, when you jumped on WH for using the word "thug", accusing him of meaning it as a racial slur, as if there is anyway you could know his intent. That was totally out of left field & nobody here has ever heard it used as you suggest. Furthermore & most importantly, we didn't even know the race of either child when he made that statement.

Then you continued to steer us away from the topic of the thread by insulting the South. You don't just owe anyone associated with this tragedy an apology. You owe WH, this forum and the entire South an apology. The rest of these folks were responding to 'your' insults and 'your' accusations.

I don't want you to leave or anything, but that's the truth of the matter.

Joy, I apologize to you and any of the people who do not fit the category of the people I was referring to. Can we please, PLEASE drop this now because all it does it take away from what could have been a productive conversation.

Absolutely, forumaddict2, and thank you for being big enough to apologize.

Prayers for all those affected by this tragedy.

Has there been any conclusive in-depth studies on this subject, on root causes, where it begins? Anyone here aware of any?

It seems to me that the earlier we can reach kids with the truth, the better. By the time they are teenagers, I assume they've already decided if violence is acceptable or not.

They are exposed to violence in games, media, sadly many times at home, in their peer groups. If you can't stop that aspect, how do you counter it with something positive, teaching them better alternatives and learning self control, in a way they won't scoff/laugh at but accept as true?

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Absolutely, forumaddict2, and thank you for being big enough to apologize.

Prayers for all those affected by this tragedy.

An apology does not take away ones racism, bigotry and prejudice.

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Has there been any conclusive in-depth studies on this subject, on root causes, where it begins? Anyone here aware of any?

It seems to me that the earlier we can reach kids with the truth, the better. By the time they are teenagers, I assume they've already decided if violence is acceptable or not.

They are exposed to violence in games, media, sadly many times at home, in their peer groups. If you can't stop that aspect, how do you counter it with something positive, teaching them better alternatives and learning self control, in a way they won't scoff/laugh at but accept as true?

That's just the problem. There are not any distinguishing circumstances. As stated in a earlier post about it being mostly middle class kids. That is wrong.

I hate for my children to have to coexist with these thugs. By trying to do things the right way, they are at a disadvantage.

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Has there been any conclusive in-depth studies on this subject, on root causes, where it begins? Anyone here aware of any?

It seems to me that the earlier we can reach kids with the truth, the better. By the time they are teenagers, I assume they've already decided if violence is acceptable or not.

They are exposed to violence in games, media, sadly many times at home, in their peer groups. If you can't stop that aspect, how do you counter it with something positive, teaching them better alternatives and learning self control, in a way they won't scoff/laugh at but accept as true?

I think teaching tolerance of others of appreciation of diversity is a great way to start. We need to embrace difference. Also, one big difference in our generation and theirs is that the young people today are more detached from emotion because they're somewhat desensitized through television, music, video games, etc. The language, sexuality and violence doesn't raise an eyebrow in many adults, much less these teenagers because for them, what they see/hear the most of is the norm.

I forgot to mention that our kids are so much more technically advantaged than most of us middle aged parents. They have their ipods which makes it hard for us to know what they're listening to, Myspace and Facebook to communicate with their peers in which we are not allowed to participate lest we be called spies, texting so we don't even know when they are communicating with someone else. Somehow todays youth just crept away while our heads were turned and I really don't know how, besides some sort of parental uprising, to get them back. I worry about the future of all people at the rate we're going. We've lost many of our parental rights to our government. We fear retribution if we discipline our children. We can't even go into the doctors exam room with them if they're over a certain age. We can't get medical test results if they're over 16 or 17. We have no say in what they do and yet we're legally responsible for them until they're 18 or 21, depending on the state we're in. How did this all get so out of hand?

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I think teaching tolerance of others of appreciation of diversity is a great way to start. We need to embrace difference. Also, one big difference in our generation and theirs is that the young people today are more detached from emotion because they're somewhat desensitized through television, music, video games, etc. The language, sexuality and violence doesn't raise an eyebrow in many adults, much less these teenagers because for them, what they see/hear the most of is the norm.

Let me guess. You are either homosexual or in a biracial relationship. I suspect the latter.

I'm not biting, WH.

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Originally posted by forumaddict2:
I'm not biting, WH.

In other words, I hit the nail on the head.

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I think teaching tolerance of others of appreciation of diversity is a great way to start. We need to embrace difference. Also, one big difference in our generation and theirs is that the young people today are more detached from emotion because they're somewhat desensitized through television, music, video games, etc. The language, sexuality and violence doesn't raise an eyebrow in many adults, much less these teenagers because for them, what they see/hear the most of is the norm.



Let me guess. You are either homosexual or in a biracial relationship. I suspect the latter.

Whoah! What a "deekweed" reply to make. Deekweed!

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Originally posted by CageTheElephant:

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I think teaching tolerance of others of appreciation of diversity is a great way to start. We need to embrace difference. Also, one big difference in our generation and theirs is that the young people today are more detached from emotion because they're somewhat desensitized through television, music, video games, etc. The language, sexuality and violence doesn't raise an eyebrow in many adults, much less these teenagers because for them, what they see/hear the most of is the norm.



Let me guess. You are either homosexual or in a biracial relationship. I suspect the latter.

Whoah! What a "deekweed" reply to make. Deekweed!

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Originally posted by WH:

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I think teaching tolerance of others of appreciation of diversity is a great way to start. We need to embrace difference. Also, one big difference in our generation and theirs is that the young people today are more detached from emotion because they're somewhat desensitized through television, music, video games, etc. The language, sexuality and violence doesn't raise an eyebrow in many adults, much less these teenagers because for them, what they see/hear the most of is the norm.

Let me guess. You are either homosexual or in a biracial relationship. I suspect the latter.

Reported.

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Originally posted by WH:

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Originally posted by forumaddict2:
I'm not biting, WH.

In other words, I hit the nail on the head.

Reported.

You can talk the talk, but you can't walk the walk.

"Metal detectors in public buildings are a 'feel good patch' and do very little to provide any sort of 'protection'."

First things first. Guns and knives should be kept out of the schools. Metal detectors are a common sense start to controlling teen violence. You may believe that they don't help control the situation, but a lot of people think think they are a good first step.

Needless to say, a lot of work needs to be done on the overall problem as well.

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Originally posted by WH:
You can talk the talk, but you can't walk the walk.

Reported. You continue to try to take this thread off topic and you are goading.

Wow!!!

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Originally posted by forumaddict2:

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Originally posted by WH:
You can talk the talk, but you can't walk the walk.

Reported. You continue to try to take this thread off topic and you are goading.

I'm afraid you are the one that took it of topic. I do see your agenda though. Even the racist flotown wants to jump in now.

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Originally posted by WH:

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Originally posted by forumaddict2:

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Originally posted by WH:
You can talk the talk, but you can't walk the walk.

Reported. You continue to try to take this thread off topic and you are goading.

I'm afraid you are the one that took it of topic. I do see your agenda though. Even the racist flotown wants to jump in now.

Yeah I cant tell you how many times I have used the racist word "wow." Especially when you have no idea what my wow stood for. Maybe it was for the part when someone wrote we failed the child that did the shooting. I know I have not failed him. Maybe the wow was concerning the side conversations that have nothing to do with the topic. (Like you call me racist for saying wow.)

BTW, I am still looking for you to post the racist post you said I made.

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Originally posted by forumaddict2:
I think teaching tolerance of others of appreciation of diversity is a great way to start. We need to embrace difference. Also, one big difference in our generation and theirs is that the young people today are more detached from emotion because they're somewhat desensitized through television, music, video games, etc. The language, sexuality and violence doesn't raise an eyebrow in many adults, much less these teenagers because for them, what they see/hear the most of is the norm.

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Originally posted by forumaddict2:
I forgot to mention that our kids are so much more technically advantaged than most of us middle aged parents. They have their ipods which makes it hard for us to know what they're listening to, Myspace and Facebook to communicate with their peers in which we are not allowed to participate lest we be called spies, texting so we don't even know when they are communicating with someone else. Somehow todays youth just crept away while our heads were turned and I really don't know how, besides some sort of parental uprising, to get them back. I worry about the future of all people at the rate we're going. We've lost many of our parental rights to our government. We fear retribution if we discipline our children. We can't even go into the doctors exam room with them if they're over a certain age. We can't get medical test results if they're over 16 or 17. We have no say in what they do and yet we're legally responsible for them until they're 18 or 21, depending on the state we're in. How did this all get so out of hand?

Excellent points and great ideas, forumaddict2.

I know troubled kids are not our responsibility, not in the same way our own kids are anyway. However, if we don't help the kids who have no parental involvement, we will be affected when some of them turn into criminals. We can also educate parents on the danger of not being involved, even teach them how to be parents if they never had good role models in their own lives.

Exactly, Joy! In my earlier posts, when I said "we", I was speaking figuratively but some people took me literally. Thanks for understanding what I was trying to say.

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Originally posted by forumaddict2:
Believe me, you North Alabama people are not the only people in the world, contrary to what you may believe. Most of you people were born here, will die here, and will never know life away from here at all. Nobody is going to change your narrow minded views about anything and I realize that. You people re-elected Bob Riley, after all. Now, do you have anything constructive to say?

Do you live in Alabama? Are you even old enough to be on the internet alone?

Listen, I apologize once again for everything I said out of line about your beautiful state and all the wonderful hardworking people I insulted. I was angry and I spouted off and said some things I regret. If you all insist on rehashing all my old comments, we're never going to have an adult discussion. Do you agree?

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Originally posted by WH:

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Originally posted by forumaddict2:
I'm not biting, WH.


In other words, I hit the nail on the head.


Reported.

Reported? Reported? Reported for WHAT????
Not agreeing with YOU??? Forum Alcoholic?
I think I will REPORT your Racist...***!

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Originally posted by forumaddict2:
Listen, I apologize once again for everything I said out of line about your beautiful state and all the wonderful hardworking people I insulted. I was angry and I spouted off and said some things I regret. If you all insist on rehashing all my old comments, we're never going to have an adult discussion. Do you agree?

I agree that you got your ass handed to you and now you are trying to backpedal. These ole dumb southerners weren't quite as dumb as you planned on were they?

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Originally posted by CageTheElephant:

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Originally posted by WH:

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Originally posted by forumaddict2:
I'm not biting, WH.


In other words, I hit the nail on the head.


Reported.

Reported? Reported? Reported for WHAT????
Not agreeing with YOU??? Forum Alcoholic?
I think I will REPORT your Racist...***!

Reported.

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Originally posted by WH:

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Originally posted by forumaddict2:
Listen, I apologize once again for everything I said out of line about your beautiful state and all the wonderful hardworking people I insulted. I was angry and I spouted off and said some things I regret. If you all insist on rehashing all my old comments, we're never going to have an adult discussion. Do you agree?

I agree that you got your ass handed to you and now you are trying to backpedal. These ole dumb southerners weren't quite as dumb as you planned on were they?

Reported.

Reported? WHAT's being 'reported': childish behaviors? What happened to the discussion of the shooting incident?

I have already apologized twice for comments I made that contributed to taking this thread off topic. I feel that any good points made here have gotten lost in the fray and my only concern at this point is that someone close to the situation might see this thread and be hurt by the fact that a childs death has been reduced to this ongoing trivial nastiness. I am not commenting on anything lately except to offer another apology. Other than that I just report. There are those who insist on keeping this nonsense going and I am reporting and asking that this entire thread be deleted, not just closed. It doesn't seem to be doing much good.

Joy & Forumaddict....Thank you two for acting as adults should. Isn't it amazing that it is so easy to agree to disagree. WH....I disagree with you wholeheartly and I'm Alabama born and raised.

No matter the color of skin or family situation, the lives of two young men have ended and their friends and family have had their lives impacted dramatically. My thoughts and prayers are with them all.