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A fight between 8th graders took place on Friday at Brooks High School. Several teachers were referring to it as "the freaks vs the jocks". What a shame these people are educating our children. The athletes terrorize others and it's such a joke to them until violence erupts. These kids are different-with long hair and special clothes. But has anyone taken the time to see their homelifes--some are from neglicted and abused families. That's when intervention from a teacher could make a change in their life; not more ridicule! Some are even labled "druggies" which they may be--but are not the athletes too? It's funny how on "drug testing day" at Brooks certain athletes are always "absent". It's a shame these kids are leaders in the school council, FCA, and Peers for Life. Mr. Valentine, you need to investigate this before more violence takes place. Jerry Hill, you want to be superintendent, you need to start at "home" and step up and be a leader there.
Are the others schools the same? If not, please tell me so I can transfer my child to one that offers education and guidance and sports are an extra not a focus.
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Originally posted by petsaver:
Jerry Hill, you want to be superintendent, you need to start at "home" and step up and be a leader there.
Are the others schools the same? If not, please tell me so I can transfer my child to one that offers education and guidance and sports are an extra not a focus.


Why take his word, or even want to? Check out the other schools on your own. Wink
I think you will find it to always be the same. When I went to HS the "jocks" were the bullies and that has not changed. I do not believe it will ever change. Their parents and the communities uphold them as special. They are the warriors of their domain therefore they are set up above the academic minded kids and kids that get by with grades earned. Now mind you, not all "jocks" are like that. There are exceptions that make it on their own and are good kids and students. There are slso "Numbnuts" that cast the bad reflection on the others. MHO
First it wasn't 3 ganging up on one, the "jock" started the fight and the others jumped in. Secondly, another teacher was the one that reported to the principal what these three teachers are calling kids. Finally, I said Jerry Hill needs to straighten out what's at his own school before trying to run the entire district. And you proved my point in your last sentence by stating to meet and "work it out". These kids are not gothic and I do know them--I am a teacher here as well.
Oh no! A fight at a high school between two cliques of students, let us use it to make generalizations about a whole group of students, a high school, and teachers. Cliques happen and fights happen. Should something be done about fights? Yes, by trying to instill understanding and acceptance between different people and it definitely shouldn't be by coming on a forum and make generalizations about people, it's the thing that creates hostile situations between people in the first place.
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Originally posted by dgreen:
I am a student at Brooks High and I was a witness to the fight last week. It is so funny how you can read something that is so far from the truth and start dogging not only brooks high school but calling teachers out. The fight happend after lunch when 3 gothic kids tried to gang up on 1 football player. This forum really affends me because the person that posted it obviously has no clue of what happend. And before you know the real story you shouldt say a thing. And jerry hill is a great man and a father figure to me, if you have a problem with anything said on here I will be glad to come anywhere you want to work it out.


Your post is full of fragments, misspellings, and generally bad grammar. If you're a student at Brooks perhaps we should be "dogging" on the school a little.
So what's up with wanting to meet and "work it out" with anyone who has a problem with your post? Making such a juvenile statement shot any credibility you might have had with your recollection of the fight.
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Originally posted by petsaver:
A fight between 8th graders took place on Friday at Brooks High School. Several teachers were referring to it as "the freaks vs the jocks". What a shame these people are educating our children. The athletes terrorize others and it's such a joke to them until violence erupts. These kids are different-with long hair and special clothes. But has anyone taken the time to see their homelifes--some are from neglicted and abused families. That's when intervention from a teacher could make a change in their life; not more ridicule! Some are even labled "druggies" which they may be--but are not the athletes too? It's funny how on "drug testing day" at Brooks certain athletes are always "absent". It's a shame these kids are leaders in the school council, FCA, and Peers for Life. Mr. Valentine, you need to investigate this before more violence takes place. Jerry Hill, you want to be superintendent, you need to start at "home" and step up and be a leader there.
Are the others schools the same? If not, please tell me so I can transfer my child to one that offers education and guidance and sports are an extra not a focus.


If you are so miserable there, PLEASE do yourself, students and other faculty a favor and leave. I don't want my son in your class.
These issues accure daily in all school systems. I have been out of school for over 12 years, even then the exact same problems existed. I did not attend high school at Brooks,but I did attend a Lauderdale County School. I do believe the violence has gotten greater, however the parents are the only ones that can put a stop to this. Also, spelling and grammer do not represent a person.
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Originally posted by dgreen:
I am a student at Brooks High and I was a witness to the fight last week. It is so funny how you can read something that is so far from the truth and start dogging not only brooks high school but calling teachers out. The fight happend after lunch when 3 gothic kids tried to gang up on 1 football player. This forum really affends me because the person that posted it obviously has no clue of what happend. And before you know the real story you shouldt say a thing. And jerry hill is a great man and a father figure to me, if you have a problem with anything said on here I will be glad to come anywhere you want to work it out.


Your post is full of fragments, misspellings, and generally bad grammar. If you're a student at Brooks perhaps we should be "dogging" on the school a little.
So what's up with wanting to meet and "work it out" with anyone who has a problem with your post? Making such a juvenile statement shot any credibility you might have had with your recollection of the fight.


I agree 100%.
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Originally posted by dgreen:
This is a forum not a spelling or grammar test.....


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if you have a problem with anything said on here I will be glad to come anywhere you want to work it out


Yep, this is a forum, where you can hide behind a screen name and talk all the trash you want. Come back when you grow up, then maybe people will take you seriously.....

Jeepin'
I would like to commend petsaver for the comment[s]. I graduated from Brooks, and I have children that go there. It was a good school when I went but many things have changed. There are many fights--a lot more than when I was there. I know first handed that teachers refer to some of the non-athletes as "hair flippers," and I know that a teacher also referred to them as "those gay hair flippers" in front of student[s]. There is no excuse for these teachers and the reason they get away with this type of behavior is because of tenure.
The fighting episodes are just one of many issues I am concerned with right now. You would like to think as adults, we would be able to outgrow the cliquish groups--not so with a certain few teachers at Brooks. These teachers make sure that their children and their children’s friends are awarded--regardless of their grades. They also make sure their kids and friends get to go on any of the trips where kids are "randomly picked." The school system allows teachers to instigate arguments between students—that is right they are not punished despite having hard evidence of this behavior. I also know of a teacher who spread just downright stupid and false lies about another teacher at Brooks—and the principal has been made aware of it.
For those of you who do not think this type of complaint should be posted on a public forum, here is the definition of forum:
1. a. The public square or marketplace of an ancient Roman city that was the assembly place for judicial activity and public business.
b. A public meeting place for open discussion.
c. A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website.

A forum is just the place to post this type of information. I am grateful for my first Amendment rights and nothing anybody says on here will rob me of them.

To the individual who suggested that the teacher leave if she is unhappy at Brooks—NO, she should not leave because other people are abusing their power. As a matter of fact, I believe it is people like you who give the term redneck meaning. You think the teacher who is calling attention to a serious situation should leave…well then your kid is probably one of those receiving special privileges over others who are more deserving.

I also would like to say that yes, I think the suggestion for all students and faculty members is a great suggestion.

For those of you who are assuming I am making these statements because I am trying to get back at someone at Brooks would be jumping to conclusions. I have numerous inside sources within the school system—make of it what you will.
once again.... the teacher should be teaching, and handle internal problems THERE.... and BFred07.... dgreen IS a juvenile..... what's your point....and I don't think HE is the one hiding behind a screen name, dgreen sounds like a name, more than let's go jeepin... and petsaver.. get off the internet when we are paying you to work, and go make that connection with those poor kids...
seriously, easy, dgreen could easily be da green, as in da money. And I dont remember coming here and making threats from behind my screen name and my keyboard, so I dont have to hide behind my screen name.

About the only thing you were correct in saying is dgreen is a juvenile, thats obvious.

And as for making a connection with those poor kids.... Step up. I am no teacher and I am not going to sit here and crucify them (in general, some specific teachers probably need to be gone). And as for 'getting off the internet when we are paying you to work,' I have to ask, who made you the person who dictates their schedule? What teachers do when they are not in front of their classrooms (between classes, at lunch, on their planning break) is none of mine or your concern, as long as their work is getting done. If you have proof that petsaver is a teacher not getting their work done, provide it.

Jeepin'
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It seems not much has changed at Brooks over the years. I remember several beat downs happening in the lunch room. The only thing that changes are the names and faces.

If a kid dresses in black (I guess they call it "gothic" nowadays, but we had those kids too) he is always going to be looked upon with suspicion in a situation where a fight occurs. Of course, most of us know that the jock is almost guaranteed to have started the fight but that makes no difference to the teachers or administrators.

I saw "jocks" essentially get away with murder when I was in school and the teachers and coaches always turned a blind eye. That's just the way it is in school districts where sports are more important than academics. Let's just be honest, you're not dealing with people who are all that bright -- you live in BFE, Alabama for God's sakes!

At any rate, I remember even after getting out of high school that a couple of those jocks from school were still out getting arrested almost every weekend for fighting, drinking, DUI, and who knows what else. You know, just typical retarded neanderthalish behavior that only a moronic jock could pull off. The problem is that the courts never even gave them as much as a slap on the wrist; it seems that often their "jock" status stays with them after school.

OP, changing schools probably wont solve the problem in the long term because the whole system in this area is bass ackwards. It's a good 'ole boy network of knuckle dragging turd blossoms that know nothing else other than football. Every county school has these same issues. I suggest home-schooling or enrolling your kid in a private school. Good luck.
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Originally posted by easynblue:
once again.... the teacher should be teaching, and handle internal problems THERE.... and BFred07.... dgreen IS a juvenile..... what's your point....and I don't think HE is the one hiding behind a screen name, dgreen sounds like a name, more than let's go jeepin... and petsaver.. get off the internet when we are paying you to work, and go make that connection with those poor kids...

My point is that if the kid is going to announce where he is supposed to be getting an education that the least he could do is use spell check so as not to make his school look bad. My 2nd point is that making threats however empty they might be made his post a waste of time as he blew his credibility. I tend to believe what petsaver had to say from how they approached the subject additionally I am glad someone like petsaver is letting the community in on what goes on at our schools. Some seem to have the attitude of "what happens at school stays at school" I guess with this way of thinking the community can pat each other on the back and talk about how safe their kid's classroom is.
I went to school at Brooks years ago. I don't remember a lot of fights. I do remember that there was enmity between the band and the football team. Some of the band members had a nickname for football players...JFS. I can't type those words in this forum. Well, the first one is 'jock'.

What I remember about high school is the impression that the teachers were mad, and sometimes it seemed that they were mad at us. They seemed mad about having to come to work, and it seemed to me that we really bored them. A lot of eye rolling, a lot of sighing. While teaching didn't seem like a bad job when taken abstractly, after seeing people who actually were teachers, I was sure that I didn't want to be one.

I hope that some of this impression I got from the teachers was caused by my own perceptions as a kid. But I know what I heard them say, and I know what I saw them doing.

I was a straight A student and caused no trouble. Maybe I should have beaten up a 'hair flipper', or become one?

I had elementary teachers who seemed to see me as an individual. I also had teachers at UNA who had that same attitude.

Please keep in mind that I am telling y'all how I felt back then, at that age. Sometimes the kids who aren't causing trouble don't get that word of encouragement that might make a difference.

I know the work load, I know the problems, I know the strain of teaching. I didn't become one, because it still seems like a negative career to me. But I have a lot of teachers in my family and I appreciate and understand the profession.

I am pretty sure none of my teachers are still at Brooks, since I am old as rope myself. And I have become friends with some of them since we're all adults now.
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To the individual who suggested that the teacher leave if she is unhappy at Brooks—NO, she should not leave because other people are abusing their power. As a matter of fact, I believe it is people like you who give the term redneck meaning. You think the teacher who is calling attention to a serious situation should leave…well then your kid is probably one of those receiving special privileges over others who are more deserving.

Sorry...I don't get it...what was suggested was that if the teacher was unhappy with the school she needs to leave...nothing was said about "special treatment" or a problem with someone "calling attention to a serious situation"...all that was said was she didn't want her child to be in a class with a teacher that was unhappy with her situation and that makes sense to me....by the way, resorting to calling people names (ie. redneck) in order to try and make your point really takes away from anything you post....
Killendead, my point is, a teacher who has invested many hours and a lot of money into a career should not have to leave a job because of issues that should be dealt with.

As for the other stuff, as I stated previously this is a public forum, and the rest of my original post was to illustrate the numerous issues that are occurring at Brooks. I am going to call as much attention to these issues as I possibly can—they need to be dealt with.

As for the redneck comment, yes, I probably should have not mentioned that but it is time for people to wake up around here. People do not want to know about what is really going on around here, and I am not only referring to the school systems. It is really upsetting that people do not want to get involved until something affects them directly.
AL...again you missed the point...it's not that someone is FORCING this person out of their job...this person is unhappy with what they are doing or possible where they are doing it...so maybe they should find another job, another place to practice their profession or deal with the problems facing them...the original post brought up the idea of leaving the school...further, calling someone names is not going to cause "people to wake up around here" it's just going to help them realize that some people cannot make their points without attacking people they don't know...to me, that's a pretty big problem to work on...yes, this is a public forum...anyone can say what they want regardless of how informed they may or may not be (or think they might be) but trudging up the old southern redneck stuff doesn't help anyone move forward...and it makes you sound a little silly...that's all...i'm done
jeepin... I do step up... every day...
fred07... how does making a "threat", if that's what yall want to call it, discredit anyone? and how does the fact that a teacher wrote about their viewpoint of a situation make them credible? on another topic a waitress was fired for commenting about a copuple that gave a crappy tip, so should the teacher be fired for commenting about coworkers, or their employer?
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Originally posted by ALmuckraker:
I would like to commend petsaver for the comment[s]. I graduated from Brooks, and I have children that go there. It was a good school when I went but many things have changed. There are many fights--a lot more than when I was there. I know first handed that teachers refer to some of the non-athletes as "hair flippers," and I know that a teacher also referred to them as "those gay hair flippers" in front of student[s]. There is no excuse for these teachers and the reason they get away with this type of behavior is because of tenure.
The fighting episodes are just one of many issues I am concerned with right now. You would like to think as adults, we would be able to outgrow the cliquish groups--not so with a certain few teachers at Brooks. These teachers make sure that their children and their children’s friends are awarded--regardless of their grades. They also make sure their kids and friends get to go on any of the trips where kids are "randomly picked." The school system allows teachers to instigate arguments between students—that is right they are not punished despite having hard evidence of this behavior. I also know of a teacher who spread just downright stupid and false lies about another teacher at Brooks—and the principal has been made aware of it.
For those of you who do not think this type of complaint should be posted on a public forum, here is the definition of forum:
1. a. The public square or marketplace of an ancient Roman city that was the assembly place for judicial activity and public business.
b. A public meeting place for open discussion.
c. A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website.

A forum is just the place to post this type of information. I am grateful for my first Amendment rights and nothing anybody says on here will rob me of them.

To the individual who suggested that the teacher leave if she is unhappy at Brooks—NO, she should not leave because other people are abusing their power. As a matter of fact, I believe it is people like you who give the term redneck meaning. You think the teacher who is calling attention to a serious situation should leave…well then your kid is probably one of those receiving special privileges over others who are more deserving.

I also would like to say that yes, I think the suggestion for all students and faculty members is a great suggestion.

For those of you who are assuming I am making these statements because I am trying to get back at someone at Brooks would be jumping to conclusions. I have numerous inside sources within the school system—make of it what you will.


I think this teachers children issue goes beyond Brooks. I have heard the same thing from the parents at Rogers, Central, Wilson. Its County wide. There should be a rule against a teacher teaching at the same school as their child. And for spouses and extended family to teach at the same school. No good can come of this.

Does anyone know if Jerry Hill IS leaving Brookds?
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Originally posted by BFred07:
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Originally posted by easynblue:
once again.... the teacher should be teaching, and handle internal problems THERE.... and BFred07.... dgreen IS a juvenile..... what's your point....and I don't think HE is the one hiding behind a screen name, dgreen sounds like a name, more than let's go jeepin... and petsaver.. get off the internet when we are paying you to work, and go make that connection with those poor kids...

My point is that if the kid is going to announce where he is supposed to be getting an education that the least he could do is use spell check so as not to make his school look bad. My 2nd point is that making threats however empty they might be made his post a waste of time as he blew his credibility. I tend to believe what petsaver had to say from how they approached the subject additionally I am glad someone like petsaver is letting the community in on what goes on at our schools. Some seem to have the attitude of "what happens at school stays at school" I guess with this way of thinking the community can pat each other on the back and talk about how safe their kid's classroom is.


It is a forum! Have you seen how some of these kids text and write on facebook? Most of the time it has no reflection on their education level, especially when one is simply and quickly stating their thoughts, the kid isn't writing a rough draft, editing it, and then posting for Christ's sake.
True-Blue, I agree that these types of problems most likely occur at all schools. That is exactly my point about the suggestion for the teacher to leave and go to a different school. There would be no point in that because at some point they would encounter similar situations. Of course, my concerns are targeted towards Brooks because I have children that go there, and I know more about what goes on there.

Some individuals just do not want to face the truth. I cannot believe that some people think that it is wrong for a teacher to be concerned about this matter. I think that is a great thing—to have a teacher who actually seems to care about the students.

I also agree with you about teachers having their kids in the same school that they teach. Of course, the teachers, their children and their children’s friends would think it is a good thing—since the get special privileges. I am not saying that is always the case because I do know of some teachers who are actually decent and do not abuse their position.


Killendead, you seem to have all the answers so maybe you should remedy the situation. Obviously, I am nowhere near as informed on the matter as you are. In addition, I apparently keep on missing the point of what is being said. As far as the name calling, how are you any better stating that I “sound a little silly”? I believe I already admitted that I could have made my initial point by leaving that comment out. I know that you understand that forcing in this situation refers to a lack of discipline that results in a hostile working environment that in turn drives a person from their job (at least what I am referring to). I am certainly happy you are “done” and “that’s all.” Maybe that will free up some of your time to work on the “pretty big problem” that you seemed to have found. Good luck with that.
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Originally posted by easynblue:
once again.... the teacher should be teaching, and handle internal problems THERE.... and BFred07.... dgreen IS a juvenile..... what's your point....and I don't think HE is the one hiding behind a screen name, dgreen sounds like a name, more than let's go jeepin... and petsaver.. get off the internet when we are paying you to work, and go make that connection with those poor kids...

My point is that if the kid is going to announce where he is supposed to be getting an education that the least he could do is use spell check so as not to make his school look bad. My 2nd point is that making threats however empty they might be made his post a waste of time as he blew his credibility. I tend to believe what petsaver had to say from how they approached the subject additionally I am glad someone like petsaver is letting the community in on what goes on at our schools. Some seem to have the attitude of "what happens at school stays at school" I guess with this way of thinking the community can pat each other on the back and talk about how safe their kid's classroom is.


It is a forum! Have you seen how some of these kids text and write on facebook? Most of the time it has no reflection on their education level, especially when one is simply and quickly stating their thoughts, the kid isn't writing a rough draft, editing it, and then posting for Christ's sake.


LOL, is using spell check really that much trouble? If not for the childish threat I would have said nothing to him. Since when does simple spelling and grammar for a "quick thought" require a rough draft and editing? He should have been able to belt it out without any trouble. I was just saying that if he can’t spell then he should use spell check so as to not reflect badly on his school.
Last I checked, the statement "if you have a problem with anything said on here I will be glad to come anywhere you want to work it out" is a pretty obvious threat. Let me translate, for the select few here who dont seem to understand, it means 'if you dont agree with me, name a time and a place, and we can brawl about it.'

So, agree with me or Im gonna kick your *** is his statement. With that statement alone, I put no trust in anything dgreen says. And I dont put alot of weight behind anyone who defends him....

Jeepin'
Let's Go Jeepin'---This one is especially for you. First and foremost , Why would any adult be on a forum saying negative remarks about a teacher or official that we expect students to respect. How much more redneck can that be? Let me say that public eye seems to always be on educators..pointing out their faults..If you or anyone else on this forum feels that they are more qualified to educate children, let me challenge you to step up to the plate. As an educator, if I can have a lasting effect on just one soul, all the hard work has paid off. If you spent more time plucking the faults from your own eye..and not picking out a student for defending someone who has obviously been an example to him..your world might be a better place. You also must not be very familiar with texting, facebooking or any other networking that kids take part in these days..they do not spell ..they type symbols and portions of words to make their point. How could anyone call out a kid to make fun of them? Boy..guess your name on here explains why! I happen to know that kid..and he was a man..he used his REAL name..and cowardly you did not. He was not ashamed to stand up for what he believes in. Just because he wanted to discuss this in person..what makes you think that means fight? HMMM that must be your way of thinking and not dgreens.
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Originally posted by educator:
Let's Go Jeepin'---This one is especially for you. First and foremost , Why would any adult be on a forum saying negative remarks about a teacher or official that we expect students to respect. How much more redneck can that be?


Since you called me out, Ill give the the time to answer you, even though you have gone out of your way to support someone who obviously didn't want to discuss this in person. If you, as an educator (if you are), seriously believe that, then you need to step back and re-evaluate your understanding of your students. You put yourself (and your fellow educators and students) at risk if you approach a comment like this as anything other than a threat. And I dont want you being responsible for my children if you are not able to recognize that fact.

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Let me say that public eye seems to always be on educators..pointing out their faults..If you or anyone else on this forum feels that they are more qualified to educate children, let me challenge you to step up to the plate.



I think, not too many posts ago, I defended teachers in general, I think you need to go back and reread the entire thread (or actually read it all the way through before commenting)

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As an educator, if I can have a lasting effect on just one soul, all the hard work has paid off. If you spent more time plucking the faults from your own eye..and not picking out a student for defending someone who has obviously been an example to him..your world might be a better place. You also must not be very familiar with texting, facebooking or any other networking that kids take part in these days..they do not spell ..they type symbols and portions of words to make their point.



OK, now that I read this a little more, I completely understand that you have no idea what you are talking about. I never mentioned anything anywhere about his spelling, grammer, punctuation, etc etc. My only comment was that I put no stock in someone who resorts to childish threats. Period.

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How could anyone call out a kid to make fun of them? Boy..guess your name on here explains why! I happen to know that kid..and he was a man..he used his REAL name..and cowardly you did not.


Maybe, if you are so close to this person, you should sit down and discuss with him exactly how adults handle situations like this. Violence is not the answer. And he clearly made a threat. Teach him to act like an adult. And also, while you are teaching him how to act like an adult, teach him how to protect himself and his identity. If he used his real name, that was his mistake. Most normal folks know how to protect themselves online, particularly from someone like dgreen. If he even remotely thought about backing up his threats , I wouldnt want him to know who I really was or where my family lived.

There are numerous forum members I have met personally and who know me by my real name Just because I dont give away my identity to every idiot on here does not mean Im anonymous.

Btw, is your first name or last name educator? Just curious.

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He was not ashamed to stand up for what he believes in. Just because he wanted to discuss this in person..what makes you think that means fight? HMMM that must be your way of thinking and not dgreens.


Let me see, why would anyone want to discuss something in person that is clearly being discussed here (specifically with those that dont agree with him)? Get real, no one buys your 'he just wanted to talk' reasoning....

Jeepin'
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I have spent time at Brooks this past school year....I have been there at times when classes were changing, and witnessed the kids walking to class....they dress like third world countries...the viral that spews from their mouths is embarrasing to me .... boys and girls...I would not want my child attending this school...Do you think this is a problem compounded by the teachers? Common sense...why would teachers instigate trouble that would just multiply their problems....the students came from home with this attitude, and no teacher can change it....Brooks has changed from one of the elite schools in the county to one of the less remarkable....it isn't the faculty, yet we can not be honest enough with ourselves to agree that the home place is the instigator of all this.....
barbaros45, typically I would have to agree with you, but I have seen hard proof of a teacher instigating a situation between a couple of students. Now I understand that many of the behavioral problems are due to circumstances at home but that is not always the case. There are some good teachers at Brooks but not all of them are. To address your question about why would they instigate something that would make their job more difficult, well it is not always students from their classroom or the grade that they even teach. Why would they bother to start something with a kid that is not one of their students? There are several reasons I can think of but you can come up with your own. The situation I know of had to do with one of the teachers spreading a rumor about a student that was not in the grade they taught. The proof was shown to both the teacher and the principal. The principal apologized for the teacher’s actions and that was that. Understand, it is not my intention to imply that all or even most of the teachers at Brooks behave in such a negative manner—I just want people to understand that there are a few that you have to watch out for…I am sure this occurs at other schools as well.
I agree with you, barbaros, much of this starts in the home. As I said in an earlier post, for the most part, teachers go above and beyond in regards to their profession. There are bad apples in every profession, unfortunately those bad apples have a spot light on them in the teaching profession by the nature of the fact that we entrust teachers to mold and shape the minds of our children.

The educators have to be able to step in and be a positive influence on our children. Rewarding or encouraging bad habits or behavior does a disservice to those they mentor. If there is an educator out there that, by their word or deed, reenforces uncivilized behavior, then that issue should be brought to light. But it does not improve the situation to group everyone in with the occasional exception to the rule.

Jeepin'
I see there is good and bad in teachers and the kids.
Educator says if you think you can do it step up to the plate which is silly. A person chooses to be a teacher so they ought to do it knowing they really care about all the kids even the ones that look weird to them and come from poor families. I know they don't all do that.I have seenit myself. A lot of people think teaching is just a job with summers off and good benefits and from where I stand the pay looks decent. I think it's a lot more. If you don't have it in you to treat these kids fair you don't have it in you to be a teacher.
I think a good teacher is one who can look at a kid and see what they could be instead of what they aren't then do their best to help them be just that.
Let’s Go Jeepin, I am not certain if you are referring to me about the whole grouping of teachers or not but if you are maybe you should reread my last post. As I previously stated, it is not my intention to imply that all or even most of the teachers at Brooks behave in such a negative manner—I just want people to understand that there are a few that you have to watch out for…I am sure this occurs at other schools as well. As I also stated previously, there are good teachers. As for bringing the issue to light, again, as previously stated, it was called to the attention of the principal and basically, nothing was done about it. The situation is currently being brought to the BOE’s attention. I think it is understood that there are “bad apples” in every profession but in certain jobs the employee is to be held at higher standards—teaching is one of those professions. In addition, yes, I do agree that most times the problems begin at home but like my original point, this is not always (emphasis on not always) the case.
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Yep, this is a forum, where you can hide behind a screen name and talk all the trash you want. Come back when you grow up, then maybe people will take you seriously.....

Jeepin'



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And also, while you are teaching him how to act like an adult, teach him how to protect himself and his identity. If he used his real name, that was his mistake. Most normal folks know how to protect themselves online, particularly from someone like dgreen. If he even remotely thought about backing up his threats , I wouldnt want him to know who I really was or where my family lived.

There are numerous forum members I have met personally and who know me by my real name Just because I dont give away my identity to every idiot on here does not mean Im anonymous.

Btw, is your first name or last name educator? Just curious.


make up you mind
DGREEN..we all know and love you. We very much appreciate you standing up for what you love and believe in. Please delete your post. This nut on here obiviously has nothing better to do than harass kids. Delete it please. IT can be dangerous to post such on a forum. I know your a kid and dont realize this..but this a an adult posting to you..he/she does know what they are doing. You are a fine young man. Keep up the good work and you will go far in life. Just dont get weak to such redneck junk as the posts on here!!!!
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Originally posted by educator:
DGREEN..we all know and love you. We very much appreciate you standing up for what you love and believe in. Please delete your post. This nut on here obiviously has nothing better to do than harass kids. Delete it please. IT can be dangerous to post such on a forum. I know your a kid and dont realize this..but this a an adult posting to you..he/she does know what they are doing. You are a fine young man. Keep up the good work and you will go far in life. Just dont get weak to such redneck junk as the posts on here!!!!



You shoulda asked one of the smarter kids to help you try to pass yourself off as a teacher.
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Originally posted by barbaros45:
I have spent time at Brooks this past school year....I have been there at times when classes were changing, and witnessed the kids walking to class....they dress like third world countries...the viral that spews from their mouths is embarrasing to me .... boys and girls...I would not want my child attending this school...Do you think this is a problem compounded by the teachers? Common sense...why would teachers instigate trouble that would just multiply their problems....the students came from home with this attitude, and no teacher can change it....Brooks has changed from one of the elite schools in the county to one of the less remarkable....it isn't the faculty, yet we can not be honest enough with ourselves to agree that the home place is the instigator of all this.....


Again....thats all kids everywhere. Not just Brooks. HAS ANYONE HEARD OF COACH HILL IS PLANNING ON LEAVING BROOKS?
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Originally posted by ALmuckraker:
Let’s Go Jeepin, I am not certain if you are referring to me about the whole grouping of teachers or not but if you are maybe you should reread my last post. As I previously stated, it is not my intention to imply that all or even most of the teachers at Brooks behave in such a negative manner—I just want people to understand that there are a few that you have to watch out for…I am sure this occurs at other schools as well. As I also stated previously, there are good teachers. As for bringing the issue to light, again, as previously stated, it was called to the attention of the principal and basically, nothing was done about it. The situation is currently being brought to the BOE’s attention. I think it is understood that there are “bad apples” in every profession but in certain jobs the employee is to be held at higher standards—teaching is one of those professions. In addition, yes, I do agree that most times the problems begin at home but like my original point, this is not always (emphasis on not always) the case.


I wasnt referring to anyone in specific, you and I were actually typing our posts at the same time, I didnt read your post until after I posted mine.

I see all the 'friends' of dgreen are coming out of the woodwork.

Jeepin'
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Yep, this is a forum, where you can hide behind a screen name and talk all the trash you want. Come back when you grow up, then maybe people will take you seriously.....

Jeepin'



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And also, while you are teaching him how to act like an adult, teach him how to protect himself and his identity. If he used his real name, that was his mistake. Most normal folks know how to protect themselves online, particularly from someone like dgreen. If he even remotely thought about backing up his threats , I wouldnt want him to know who I really was or where my family lived.

There are numerous forum members I have met personally and who know me by my real name Just because I dont give away my identity to every idiot on here does not mean Im anonymous.

Btw, is your first name or last name educator? Just curious.


make up you mind


I dont see a conflict here? I told dgreen to grow up and act like an adult AND then I told educator to help him to grow up and act like an adult (in a different post), since he seems to think so highly of him and knows him personally.

I believe some of these folks are all one person. There are lots of new ID's floating around this topic....

Jeepin'
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Originally posted by *wow*:
The kid stated a point....not a threat...he is the mature one here who took up for his school and a teacher whom he respects...you (Jeep Man) on the other hand made fun of the kid and kept on when you knew you were speaking to a kid and you are an adult. I think you like drama and sounds like the kid just loves his school!! He is right this is not a spelling test...it is just a forum! When you know you are making fun of a kid...them something is wrong!



Nope, the kid stated a point and then followed that up with a threat to anyone who didnt like or agree with what he had to say. Free speach does not give you the right to threaten to beat others into submission.

I knew I was not speaking to an adult when I told him to grow up. My parents always taught me that if I wanted to interact with adults and adult conversations when I was a teenager, I needed to act the part and speak with a little sense. He came into an adult conversation, he should act like one or go back to texting his friends.

Love of school does not give someone the right to go around trying to bully those that disagree with him. Someone should teach him to respect his school by demonstrating that its students are above acting childish in public (and this is a public forum).

And, for the record, I made a statement about him needing to grow up. I did not continue to make fun of him at any point. I continued to argue with you and your friends (his friends I am guessing, if there is more than one person behind the new id's) about whether or not it was a threat in the first place.

If you would quit trying to defend him by ganging up on me and the entire situation will go away. But your high school mentality is showing, as I am sure most of us adults remember well. I guess you guys arent used to someone sticking by their statements when you gang up on them at school, are you?

Jeepin'
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Originally posted by Javier:
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Originally posted by educator:
DGREEN..we all know and love you. We very much appreciate you standing up for what you love and believe in. Please delete your post. This nut on here obiviously has nothing better to do than harass kids. Delete it please. IT can be dangerous to post such on a forum. I know your a kid and dont realize this..but this a an adult posting to you..he/she does know what they are doing. You are a fine young man. Keep up the good work and you will go far in life. Just dont get weak to such redneck junk as the posts on here!!!!



You shoulda asked one of the smarter kids to help you try to pass yourself off as a teacher.


why would you even say that when you know a child is reading this...you are what is wrong with the world today!! People like you make me sick!! The kid you are refering to is a smart kid...seems that you are the adult trying to argue with him so who is the dumb one (Jeep Man)


If a child is reading this then he needs better adults in his life to monitor his internet activity. I'm sorry, I don't even care about the situation at Brooks, but to jump on a forum member for posting a response to another poster is ridiculous. If you play with adults you get treated like an adult. Obviously he is learning that the hard way. Sometimes that is what it takes.

BTW -- I read the post about "name the time and place" the same way Jeepin' did -- as a threat. When I was a kid it was 'meet me at the flagpole at 3 o'clock' or 'meet me at the creek'. If that isn't what he meant -- then he shouldn't have posted something that could be misunderstood or taken as anything else other than a threat. At the time I read it -- I didn't know he was a kid, but that is no excuse. If you dish it out you better be ready for what comes back.

Just my 2 cents worth. Hang in there Jeepin' -- maybe they will realize that if they would get on to the boy for posting what he did instead of babying him they'd make a better adult out of him. Oh wait, that's right, that's part of what this thread was about -- kids behaving badly. Yep, full circle.
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Originally posted by *wow*:

Lets get this clear...this is a kid you are talking to and not an adult!! If you feel the need to pick on someone..please choose an adult! Leave this kid alone...I asure you he is well thought of and has many friends..he just took up for his school and his teacher! SO back off and grow up....stop trying to make things worse...do you have kids..well you should think about that when you post mean and rude things to a kid!


Still havent answered my question, where is the conflict? If he didnt want to be called out on how he acted, he should not have made the comment public.

And yes, I'm a parent, and I wouldnt' expect my children to act that way either....
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Originally posted by Javier:
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Originally posted by educator:
DGREEN..we all know and love you. We very much appreciate you standing up for what you love and believe in. Please delete your post. This nut on here obiviously has nothing better to do than harass kids. Delete it please. IT can be dangerous to post such on a forum. I know your a kid and dont realize this..but this a an adult posting to you..he/she does know what they are doing. You are a fine young man. Keep up the good work and you will go far in life. Just dont get weak to such redneck junk as the posts on here!!!!



You shoulda asked one of the smarter kids to help you try to pass yourself off as a teacher.


why would you even say that when you know a child is reading this...you are what is wrong with the world today!! People like you make me sick!! The kid you are refering to is a smart kid...seems that you are the adult trying to argue with him so who is the dumb one (Jeep Man)



I don't deny my dumbness but I'm not the one trying to make people think I'm a teacher either. No wonder the parents are mad. Where are your teachers while you're playing like you're a teacher on the internet in the middle of a school day? What are they doing while you kids are playing around?
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Originally posted by Javier:
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Originally posted by educator:
DGREEN..we all know and love you. We very much appreciate you standing up for what you love and believe in. Please delete your post. This nut on here obiviously has nothing better to do than harass kids. Delete it please. IT can be dangerous to post such on a forum. I know your a kid and dont realize this..but this a an adult posting to you..he/she does know what they are doing. You are a fine young man. Keep up the good work and you will go far in life. Just dont get weak to such redneck junk as the posts on here!!!!



You shoulda asked one of the smarter kids to help you try to pass yourself off as a teacher.


why would you even say that when you know a child is reading this...you are what is wrong with the world today!! People like you make me sick!! The kid you are refering to is a smart kid...seems that you are the adult trying to argue with him so who is the dumb one (Jeep Man)


Hehe, go back and read your post, old Jeep Man didnt post this. Imagine that, someone else disagrees with you....

Jeepin'
Let me say this. I am an educator, a special education teacher to be exact. I am convinced that the only person who would be posting such nonsense is either a disgruntled parent, former teacher or former student. No law abiding citizen with no "beans in this race" would be wasting so much time on this forum taunting children. The student you are speaking of is a bright young man.
To the one who continues to make horrible comments to a child: We work as a team of faculty at Brooks High to make a difference in the lives of children. It is my passion to work with the kids who are not the most popular..NOT the jocks...It happens to be a priority to make a difference in the lives of these children. I have never made a comment on any such forum but I could NOT sit back and watch an adult make comments to a child. If that makes you feel good about yourself..I am sorry for you pain.
Let's stop the comments guys..and hush this foolishness up on this forum.
Let's put our time and effort into making Brooks High School the best it can possibly be. Let's set an example for our students and community and pray that we can encourage our students to be lifelong learners and law abiding citizens!
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Originally posted by Lets Go Jeepin':
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Originally posted by *wow*:
The kid stated a point....not a threat...he is the mature one here who took up for his school and a teacher whom he respects...you (Jeep Man) on the other hand made fun of the kid and kept on when you knew you were speaking to a kid and you are an adult. I think you like drama and sounds like the kid just loves his school!! He is right this is not a spelling test...it is just a forum! When you know you are making fun of a kid...them something is wrong!



Nope, the kid stated a point and then followed that up with a threat to anyone who didnt like or agree with what he had to say. Free speach does not give you the right to threaten to beat others into submission.

I knew I was not speaking to an adult when I told him to grow up. My parents always taught me that if I wanted to interact with adults and adult conversations when I was a teenager, I needed to act the part and speak with a little sense. He came into an adult conversation, he should act like one or go back to texting his friends.

Love of school does not give someone the right to go around trying to bully those that disagree with him. Someone should teach him to respect his school by demonstrating that its students are above acting childish in public (and this is a public forum).

And, for the record, I made a statement about him needing to grow up. I did not continue to make fun of him at any point. I continued to argue with you and your friends (his friends I am guessing, if there is more than one person behind the new id's) about whether or not it was a threat in the first place.

If you would quit trying to defend him by ganging up on me and the entire situation will go away. But your high school mentality is showing, as I am sure most of us adults remember well. I guess you guys arent used to someone sticking by their statements when you gang up on them at school, are you?

Jeepin'


Let me tell you two smart ones something...Kids are allowed to read the Times Daily at their schools and it's a shame that when they do they have to enteract with people like you! This is out of hand and you were trying to make this kid mad or upset...he did not make a threat to you only was not scared to admit who he is and what he stands for and thats his school and his teachers! Shame on you as an adult and a parent for doing this to a child....It's ok for a kid to make a point on here just like you..he has that right, but you also knew you were talking to a child and you kept on! SO STOP, as a parent you should know better!


Honey, I'm quite sure that if you would stop the conversation would stop. It's a 2-way street. You keep agging this drama on just as much as anyone else. Please, by all means, tell the rest of us how to act -- but please, lead by example. As a parent, you should know better.

As far as the kids being allowed to read the Times Daily -- yes, read, but to allow them to post on Facebook and forums and other venues of that nature -- could be considered irresponsible if there is no monitoring and no control.
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Originally posted by *wow*:
It's ok for a kid to make a point on here just like you..he has that right, but you also knew you were talking to a child and you kept on! SO STOP, as a parent you should know better!


So, its ok for a student to exercise their right to free speech but no one else has that right? Ive got news, anyone that posts on this forum (or reads this forum for that matter) expose themselves to conversations with everyone else on this forum, whether they like what people have to say or not. It doesnt matter if they are 14 or 40, if they dont like someone elses opinion, they can close their browser just like everyone else. There is nothing in the TOS that states that we have to be aware of who are children here in the forums (and not critisize them). What is says is act civil to one another. More veteran posters than I took this as not being civil.

If you are an educator, you can look back at my posts and see that I support most of you. You can also tell they my entire problem has been with the threat in the post. And the funny thing is, everyone but dgreen has denied that it was a threat . Can you explain that?

This has gone so far past the original post dgreen made and so far into the fact that those of you that 'agree' with his stance on the subject want to overlook what was said (or twist it into something else when the original poster hasnt even said he didnt mean it like alot of us took it .)

If you are an educator at Brooks, I can tell you that many of the neutral folks here can now see some of the interworkings at the school.

Now you can let it go, or you can keep on, I really dont care because you are not going to change my mind about his intent in his original post.

Jeepin'
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Originally posted by Ang4Blake:
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TD please delete Ang4Blake. No one is attacking any kids on this thread. It is a discussion and just because people disagree doesn't mean they are attacking.

Furthermore, if kids decide to join an adult coversation then they should be prepared to handle opposition. If not, then they should stick to something more age appropriate.
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I've got to agree with Jeepin and Eastside, I also took dgreens initial post to Jeepin to be a threat. I think he needs to re-read #3 on the "Things to keep in mind when posting" on the front page of the forums. All threats will be taken seriously. If you're going to post on a Public forum and want to be taken seriously as an adult by other adult posters; don't make threats unless you want them taken seriously as well........
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Originally posted by Ang4Blake:
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TD please delete Ang4Blake. No one is attacking any kids on this thread. It is a discussion and just because people disagree doesn't mean they are attacking.



lmao
It's entertaining to see all of the Newbies that come out of the wood works to support their "friend" when he started it. I have to agree with whomever posted that it's probably the same person trying to back out of what they originally said. Instead, he should just "man up" and admit he was trying to pick a fight or clear the air himself. No one has attacked anyone except dgreen trying to pick a fight in his original post. If anyone should be deleted it should be him. Funny, too, they want the thread deleted since they know they've made themselves (and Brooks) look silly instead of just stopping their drama several pages ago.

We all have a 1st Amendment Right to Free Speech. Thank you for reminding us of that Jeepin -- it's not for the young or the "educators" .........
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Originally posted by Ang4Blake:
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Awesome! My new favorite quote. I may get this cross-stitched on a throw pillow. Big Grin
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Originally posted by *wow*:
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Originally posted by Eastside:
It's entertaining to see all of the Newbies that come out of the wood works to support their "friend" when he started it. I have to agree with whomever posted that it's probably the same person trying to back out of what they originally said. Instead, he should just "man up" and admit he was trying to pick a fight or clear the air himself. No one has attacked anyone except dgreen trying to pick a fight in his original post. If anyone should be deleted it should be him. Funny, too, they want the thread deleted since they know they've made themselves (and Brooks) look silly instead of just stopping their drama several pages ago.

We all have a 1st Amendment Right to Free Speech. Thank you for reminding us of that Jeepin -- it's not for the young or the "educators" .........


If you will go back and look the kid took his post off! He had a right to speak just as you do, it's a shame that you felt the need to continue the harrasment of a child.


Why is it that you have deleted 7 of your 10 posts on this topic? Just in case you didnt know, when another poster quotes you, that quote is not deleted when you delete your original post. So most folks here can see how much you have instigated this argument, even though you try to hide it.

I thought maybe you had decided to drop it and move on, but apparently not, you just dont want to look like you are one of those causing all the trouble. Good luck with that......

And BTW, freedom of speech comes with responsibility for what you say.....
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Originally posted by Lets Go Jeepin':
Last I checked, the statement "if you have a problem with anything said on here I will be glad to come anywhere you want to work it out" is a pretty obvious threat. Let me translate, for the select few here who dont seem to understand, it means 'if you dont agree with me, name a time and a place, and we can brawl about it.'

So, agree with me or Im gonna kick your *** is his statement. With that statement alone, I put no trust in anything dgreen says. And I dont put alot of weight behind anyone who defends him....

Jeepin'


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Originally posted by dgreen: if you have a problem with anything said on here I will be glad to come anywhere you want to work it out


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Originally posted by educator:
Just because he wanted to discuss this in person..what makes you think that means fight? HMMM that must be your way of thinking and not dgreens.


I can't believe you think he wanted to just "discuss" this. He most certainly meant a fight by his words. You can even read the anger in his post.
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Originally posted by *wow*:
If you will go back and look the kid took his post off! He had a right to speak just as you do, it's a shame that you felt the need to continue the harrasment of a child.


Yes, he had a right to speak his opinion but evidently he didn't want to stand behind that opinion or he wouldn't have deleted it.
BTW, I haven't seen anyone harassing a child.
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Originally posted by Eastside:
It's entertaining to see all of the Newbies that come out of the wood works to support their "friend" when he started it. I have to agree with whomever posted that it's probably the same person trying to back out of what they originally said. Instead, he should just "man up" and admit he was trying to pick a fight or clear the air himself. No one has attacked anyone except dgreen trying to pick a fight in his original post. If anyone should be deleted it should be him. Funny, too, they want the thread deleted since they know they've made themselves (and Brooks) look silly instead of just stopping their drama several pages ago.

We all have a 1st Amendment Right to Free Speech. Thank you for reminding us of that Jeepin -- it's not for the young or the "educators" .........


If you will go back and look the kid took his post off! He had a right to speak just as you do, it's a shame that you felt the need to continue the harrasment of a child.


You fail to see that this truly stopped being about the kid and started being about you several posts ago. Actually, I didn't harass anyone. You harassed Jeepin. I called you out for your drama -- I never truly said much to the "kid", but thanks mom. He had a right to speak and he also had a responsibility to say "hey I was wrong" -- instead, delete delete delete. I do love the quote button, but if you can't stand up for what you say then why post at all? If you are so proud of what he said and what you've said -- why delete delete delete? Man up and deal with the drama you created. And I'm not talking about the kid -- I'm talking about the rest of your posts that harassed Jeepin and now me because you couldn't just let it go. Great example for our kids. Drama drama drama....Big Grin For someone that didn't intend to argue -- you sure do that a lot. Big Grin Sorry, this has been entertaining today! Thanks! Jeepin -- you rock!
These folks who are students and teachers that are posting during the school day have to be posting from their cell phones because I work in the Lauderdale County School system and I can read the paper online but you cannot even read the forums much less post on it. The forums are locked out on the county website.
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Originally posted by Trutooit-II:
Is Jerry Hill leaving. I hope so. He's no Coach Redding.

I loved Brooks when I went there and honestly don't remember too much bad stuff that happened during that time. Now its Allen Wilson and Andrew Scott and many others who drag the school's name thru the dirt. Time marches on.


Every school has its issues. I honestly don't think that Brooks has it any worse than any other school in the county.
All this fuss because of saying something to a kid for making a post that I thought was a disgrace to his school for both the poor grammar and his threat of violence. What's most appalling is "educator" commenting about people that "have no beans in this race" sorry but this is one of OUR schools, everyone in the community has "beans in this race" and you will find plenty in the community (including myself) who will stick their nose into school business whether it’s welcomed or not.
The calls for TD to delete this thread are ridiculous, are you just trying to sweep your dirty laundry under the rug? Do you really feel that everything that happens at Brooks should stay at Brooks?
I did not see as where anything that was said could be taken as picking on the kid, he came here with an angry & threatening post and a few people called him out for it. If any of the new posters claiming to be teachers really are adults then your condoning such behavior from the kid and making excuses for it is part of the problem.
If I'm not mistaken -- most of those supporting this "kid" have now deleted all of their posts on this topic. Great support there. Unfortunately for this kid and others like him, no one corrects their bad behavior. They give them the "poor little baby" kisses and coddle them and then act amazed and dumbfounded when the kids screw up and get pregnant or get on drugs or get in trouble with the law. You helped mold them and shape them that way so when they do bad things you only have yourself to blame. If I had made a threat like that when I was a kid -- whether on a public forum, to a person's face, or just in conversation and my dad found out -- boy my behind would have been sore for days and I would have learned my lesson not to pick fights. Oh wait, then my dad would have been accused of child abuse by these "coddlers" and thrown in jail for trying to raise me.......Big Grin Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by pineywoodscat:
I think you will find it to always be the same. When I went to HS the "jocks" were the bullies and that has not changed. I do not believe it will ever change. Their parents and the communities uphold them as special. They are the warriors of their domain therefore they are set up above the academic minded kids and kids that get by with grades earned. Now mind you, not all "jocks" are like that. There are exceptions that make it on their own and are good kids and students. There are slso "Numbnuts" that cast the bad reflection on the others. MHO


Same with the cheerleaders (usually) and other popular girls. But popular girls are subtle bullies who rule the school based on a sort of social hierarchy. They see it as having ownership of the goings on at the school because of their power. (I realize not all popular girls are bullies; some are genuinely nice, but it is rare.)

A good example of this social structure and the harm it causes is the 15 year old in the Mass. area who got bullied and harassed to the point that she hung herself (her name was Phoebe something). Her only crime was going out with one of the popular football players. Well, that's just not allowed because the popular girls think they have the right to dictate these relationships and if you step over the line and become a threat to their established rule, watch out.

All of this plays out well in the movie "Mean Girls". It's based on the book "Queen Bees and Wannabes", which is about these cliques.
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Originally posted by educator:
You also must not be very familiar with texting, facebooking or any other networking that kids take part in these days..they do not spell ..they type symbols and portions of words to make their point.


Yeah, I used to work in HR, "educator", and frequently read through applications from young people in the post high school age group. I can tell you that many of them were denied even a call for an interview due to those "symbols and portions of words" because the way they text is the way they fill out job applications.

They might be making a point with their friends, but these kids are getting their applications tossed in the garbage because they aren't thoughtful enough to write out a coherent sentence on a job application - not all of them, but many.
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Originally posted by barbaros45:
Do you think this is a problem compounded by the teachers? Common sense...why would teachers instigate trouble that would just multiply their problems....the students came from home with this attitude, and no teacher can change it....


I disagree somewhat with this. Most teachers don't, but I have seen too many who look down on children for the way they dress, their low rank in the social hierarchy of the school, etc.

Many of these "goth" kids are good kids. Smart kids. They just need someone to believe in them and many times they don't get that from home. But a teacher reinforcing that these kids are just "losers" while holding up the jocks as ideal students just adds to the "different" kids' negative self-worth.

I think it's funny that many of the jocks/cheerleaders/popular kids are the very ones you'll find having sex under the school bleachers or doing drugs at the weekend parties. At the same time, they are usually members of the school's "Circle C" club or other Christian club and are church-going fakes.
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Originally posted by educator:
DGREEN..we all know and love you. We very much appreciate you standing up for what you love and believe in. Please delete your post. This nut on here obiviously has nothing better to do than harass kids. Delete it please. IT can be dangerous to post such on a forum. I know your a kid and dont realize this..but this a an adult posting to you..he/she does know what they are doing. You are a fine young man. Keep up the good work and you will go far in life. Just dont get weak to such redneck junk as the posts on here!!!!


Where do I start with this, "educator"?

"I know your a kid and dont realize this"
Should be: I know YOU'RE a kid and DON'T realize this"

"...but this a an adult posting to you...he/she does know what they are doing."
First of all, that's not a coherent sentence. Secondly, you don't use "they" because it refers to more than one person. Jeepin' is only one person.

If you're a teacher, I'm Barack Obama. If you're a teacher at Brooks High School I'm very concerned for the future of the children of Killen. You're just turning out more future job applications to toss.
Why would Times Daily delete this? Because so many of us have an opinion on the matter? Or because that opinion differs from yours? Either way, I dont see any violation of the TOS here. If you are so sure there is a violation, please pull up the TOS (member agreement) from the first page and let us know what your perceived violation is.

Otherwise, I take this as your attempt to squash someone elses free speech.

BTW - welcome to the forums Roll Eyes

Jeepin'
I am tremendously concerned about the state of education right here in Lauderdale County....our students are not receiving the education they need and deserve...I believe there are a number of reasons for this...the majority of students have no interest in studying English and history...math requires logic, abstract reasoning....abilities children do not acquire while watching tv and playing video games.....teachers are working with too many students in their classroom....there should be a maximum of 20....paperwork is a monumental task...teaching isn't comparable to any material occupation, where you might look back at the end of the day and visualize what you have accomplished...such as building a house..very difficult to keep morale at a high level when the results are negligible..and, of course, there are some very poor teachers.
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Originally posted by barbaros45:
I am tremendously concerned about the state of education right here in Lauderdale County....our students are not receiving the education they need and deserve...I believe there are a number of reasons for this...the majority of students have no interest in studying English and history...math requires logic, abstract reasoning....abilities children do not acquire while watching tv and playing video games.....teachers are working with too many students in their classroom....there should be a maximum of 20....paperwork is a monumental task...teaching isn't comparable to any material occupation, where you might look back at the end of the day and visualize what you have accomplished...such as building a house..very difficult to keep morale at a high level when the results are negligible..and, of course, there are some very poor teachers.

I bet that you couldn't find a student in the state that could diagram that sentence.
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Originally posted by barbaros45:
I am tremendously concerned about the state of education right here in Lauderdale County....our students are not receiving the education they need and deserve...I believe there are a number of reasons for this...the majority of students have no interest in studying English and history...math requires logic, abstract reasoning....abilities children do not acquire while watching tv and playing video games.....teachers are working with too many students in their classroom....there should be a maximum of 20....paperwork is a monumental task...teaching isn't comparable to any material occupation, where you might look back at the end of the day and visualize what you have accomplished...such as building a house..very difficult to keep morale at a high level when the results are negligible..and, of course, there are some very poor teachers.


I feel for teachers and what they have to endure these days. The vast majority went into the profession to make an impact on young people.

But just like physicians who now have to spend more and more time with paperwork and arguing with insurance companies for payment, educators have to prepare for endless standardized tests and deal with crowded classrooms, parents that don't care, and on and on.

If my child has had a positive experience with a wonderful teacher - and more times than not that's been the case - I always make sure to write her a letter at the end of the year expressing my appreciation and send a copy to the principal.
barbaros45 and Buttercup, We all have every right to be concerned for our education system. Maybe several years back people actually went into teaching for the right reasons--the reasons you suggested, however, that is not typically the case. If you want proof, go to the education department at our local university and ask them what reasons the students give them. I can assure you it is not because they want to make a difference or an impact. To be honest, students are not taken seriously, if they give that reason…it is understandable (from a realistic standpoint)—there are bills to be paid, health insurance is needed, and a retirement plan. There are a few people who choose to go into a career that do not base their decision on money or benefits. Teaching does not pay very well, but the benefits are great.
I commend those who find a way to express their gratitude for the teachers that make a difference in their life. I would think that helps to make up for the difficulties/challenges they face with their students and co-workers. I hope people understand my concerns go both ways—I am in no way trying to imply that all teachers are bad, and the students are perfect (not at all). I hope the things I have heard about the assistant principal are true because she is known to straighten people up.
I am responding to the people who think this thread needs to be deleted.I think those who want this thread deleted are most likely the people who are either participating in these types of situations, or receiving special privileges because of who they know (or benefitting in some similar fashion). They are fearful of exposure because once the public is made aware, someone might actually care enough to take action and they may no longer have an advantage over people they tend to look down on. I refuse to be silenced on the subject and anyone who has a shred of decency about them should feel the same. We should desire for all children to be provided with an equitable opportunity for successful learning, inside and outside the classroom. It should make absolutely no difference how a child looks, how much money mommy and daddy have or who they know when it comes to the education system—this has nothing at all to do with their education. The idea of fair treatment should apply to all schools—not just Brooks. As cliché as it sounds, the youth is our future, they are an investment—human capital. If we deny a child (any child) the opportunity reach their maximum learning potential, then we are suppressing the future growth of our nation.

For the record, I read the “kids” post as a threat as well. People think they can make ambiguous statements, knowing all along their intended meaning, but as soon as an individual calls them out on it—all the sudden it becomes a situation of “that was not what was meant.” Let us be real, we all know what was meant by the statement—it was a threat, no ifs, ands or buts about it. Do not forget that we live in a country where 12 year olds are charged as adults for the crimes they commit (not always and not every state—and not saying I agree with it)…it seems at the very least we (all) should stop making excuses for the “kids” poor judgment and acknowledge that the statement was a threat. In the end, petting/babying children does them no favors…it does not prepare them for how the “real” world is. I do not expect everyone to agree with me on the subject and welcome your criticism (yes, even about my grammar)…just keeping it going.
Romans 3:23
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

Psalms 1:1
Blessed are those who do not walk in step with the wicked or stand in the way that sinners take or sit in the company of mockers.

I still feel this needs to be deleted and that it is a shame that this continues. You all knnow that you are refering to a kid and yet you continue. Maybe these words will help you to know that we are not all perfect and that mistakes are made.
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Originally posted by ALmuckraker:
I am responding to the people who think this thread needs to be deleted.I think those who want this thread deleted are most likely the people who are either participating in these types of situations, or receiving special privileges because of who they know (or benefitting in some similar fashion). They are fearful of exposure because once the public is made aware, someone might actually care enough to take action and they may no longer have an advantage over people they tend to look down on. I refuse to be silenced on the subject and anyone who has a shred of decency about them should feel the same. We should desire for all children to be provided with an equitable opportunity for successful learning, inside and outside the classroom. It should make absolutely no difference how a child looks, how much money mommy and daddy have or who they know when it comes to the education system—this has nothing at all to do with their education. The idea of fair treatment should apply to all schools—not just Brooks. As cliché as it sounds, the youth is our future, they are an investment—human capital. If we deny a child (any child) the opportunity reach their maximum learning potential, then we are suppressing the future growth of our nation.

For the record, I read the “kids” post as a threat as well. People think they can make ambiguous statements, knowing all along their intended meaning, but as soon as an individual calls them out on it—all the sudden it becomes a situation of “that was not what was meant.” Let us be real, we all know what was meant by the statement—it was a threat, no ifs, ands or buts about it. Do not forget that we live in a country where 12 year olds are charged as adults for the crimes they commit (not always and not every state—and not saying I agree with it)…it seems at the very least we (all) should stop making excuses for the “kids” poor judgment and acknowledge that the statement was a threat. In the end, petting/babying children does them no favors…it does not prepare them for how the “real” world is. I do not expect everyone to agree with me on the subject and welcome your criticism (yes, even about my grammar)…just keeping it going.



James 1:5
If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.


James 5:6
You have condemned the innocent one, who was not opposing you.

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