But Obama Is a Socialist

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As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer. The word derives from fasces, the Roman symbol of collectivism and power: a tied bundle of rods with a protruding ax. In its day (the 1920s and 1930s), fascism was seen as the happy medium between boom-and-bust-prone liberal capitalism, with its alleged class conflict, wasteful competition, and profit-oriented egoism, and revolutionary Marxism, with its violent and socially divisive persecution of the bourgeoisie. Fascism substituted the particularity of nationalism and racialism—“blood and soil”—for the internationalism of both classical liberalism and Marxism.

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Do either of you have a solid plan to replace these policies?

Any ideas?

Real ideas not just "go back to the way this country started"

We are not the same country we were in 1776. We have out grown a lot of what was thought to be the best plan for the US at that time. Where DO we go from here?

I am sincere in this. I am neither Dem or Rep. I am an American, and I want to see our country succeed on all fronts.

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So EVERY president we have ever had must be a socialist.

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Originally posted by Jankinonya:
Do either of you have a solid plan to replace these policies?

Any ideas?

Real ideas not just "go back to the way this country started"

We are not the same country we were in 1776. We have out grown a lot of what was thought to be the best plan for the US at that time. Where DO we go from here?

I am sincere in this. I am neither Dem or Rep. I am an American, and I want to see our country succeed on all fronts.

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Originally posted by Renegade Nation:

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Originally posted by Jankinonya:
Do either of you have a solid plan to replace these policies?

Any ideas?

Real ideas not just "go back to the way this country started"

We are not the same country we were in 1776. We have out grown a lot of what was thought to be the best plan for the US at that time. Where DO we go from here?

I am sincere in this. I am neither Dem or Rep. I am an American, and I want to see our country succeed on all fronts.

So I suppose constitutionally limited government is not a "real idea"?

dolemitejb has a good suggestion.

I would just add that almost everything on that list is outside the enumerated powers of the federal government. The thing that strict constructionist object to, is not necessarily anything on that list...but the usurping of power. The Constitution provides for a way to "change with the times"...it's an amendment. Not a court changing the plain meaning of the document.

7 & 10, the feds have a very limited role...and an arguement can be made that the feds have a constitutional role in #9.

The Constitution provides for is "Federalism". The revolution was fought for self-government...sharing of powers and duties, with most of those duties falling under state/local authority.

If the people of one state vote to implement everything on that list...well good for them...but that doesn't mean Missouri has to follow suit.

What's more effective? What's more conducive to liberty and freedom? A local authority and people deciding what's best for them, Self-Government...or 300 million plus people being ruled by 1 city?

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So when children are dying from illnesses that could be easily treated, but their parents don't have enough money to pay the Dr, what do we do? Set back and watch?

How bout old people and children starving? Do we insist that granny take her walker and go get a job, or the toddler shouldn't be such a big eater?

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Originally posted by Jankinonya:
So when children are dying from illnesses that could be easily treated, but their parents don't have enough money to pay the Dr, what do we do? Set back and watch?

How bout old people and children starving? Do we insist that granny take her walker and go get a job, or the toddler shouldn't be such a big eater?

Life is very complicated. I have been to 3rd world countries where the government does not help the poor in any way shape or form. I don't want to live there thank you. When you see 5 year olds living on the street and caring for their 2 year old sibling that extra tax dollar or two seems kinda petty to want to with hold.

Utopian ideal is that the people will actually do what is necessary to make it on their own. I don't give humans that much credit. I have seen what can and will be done with out government intervention.

I would love to see a better plan, but yes a plan is needed.

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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
I love a good platitude as much as the next guy, but, in reality, we wont be returning to anything resembling the nation as it was in 1787, nor its qualities of governance. Next???

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I love a good platitude as much as the next guy, but, in reality, we wont be returning to anything resembling the nation as it was in 1787, nor its qualities of governance. Next???

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Originally posted by Jankinonya:
I would not be represented at all. I guess I could just move to the north west or some other more moderate state but I am truly a southern girl at heart.

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I hate to sound trite..or what did Juan say?...use platitudes...but this is what federalism gives us...Competing societies. If what you say is true of Alabama...we wouldn't compete very well...and would have to adopt policies that would.

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Here's a two-minute drill in soak-the-rich economics:

Maryland couldn't balance its budget last year, so the state tried to close the shortfall by fleecing the wealthy. Politicians in Annapolis created a millionaire tax bracket, raising the top marginal income-tax rate to 6.25%. And because cities such as Baltimore and Bethesda also impose income taxes, the state-local tax rate can go as high as 9.45%. Governor Martin O'Malley, a dedicated class warrior, declared that these richest 0.3% of filers were "willing and able to pay their fair share." The Baltimore Sun predicted the rich would "grin and bear it."

One year later, nobody's grinning. One-third of the millionaires have disappeared from Maryland tax rolls. In 2008 roughly 3,000 million-dollar income tax returns were filed by the end of April. This year there were 2,000, which the state comptroller's office concedes is a "substantial decline." On those missing returns, the government collects 6.25% of nothing. Instead of the state coffers gaining the extra $106 million the politicians predicted, millionaires paid $100 million less in taxes than they did last year -- even at higher rates.

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Originally posted by Jankinonya:
So when children are dying from illnesses that could be easily treated, but their parents don't have enough money to pay the Dr, what do we do? Set back and watch?

How bout old people and children starving? Do we insist that granny take her walker and go get a job, or the toddler shouldn't be such a big eater?

Life is very complicated. I have been to 3rd world countries where the government does not help the poor in any way shape or form. I don't want to live there thank you. When you see 5 year olds living on the street and caring for their 2 year old sibling that extra tax dollar or two seems kinda petty to want to with hold.

Utopian ideal is that the people will actually do what is necessary to make it on their own. I don't give humans that much credit. I have seen what can and will be done with out government intervention.

I would love to see a better plan, but yes a plan is needed.

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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
I love a good platitude as much as the next guy, but, in reality, we wont be returning to anything resembling the nation as it was in 1787, nor its qualities of governance. Next???

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Originally posted by ferrellj:

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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
I love a good platitude as much as the next guy, but, in reality, we wont be returning to anything resembling the nation as it was in 1787, nor its qualities of governance. Next???

You're right. Can you believe some people even still think the Constitution is relevent?