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In light of some of the caustic feelings in this forum, and the desire for some to leave it. I propose that all of us take a step back, re-evaluate where this is taking us and try to reinstitute a little humanity into these forums.

 I know that many are accused of devious things, including myself,  but I want to push the reset button and start all over with everyone.

 Who's with me?

 Let me start by issuing a humble apology to anyone I have intentionally or unitentionally offended, this includes all the atheists in the forum.  I will not bring up past arguments or disagreements. They are now washed away, never to be mentioned again.

 Whatever your sins of the past, for me they are all past.

 Let's see how it goes.

 

 Ohh, and lets try to demostrate a bit of humanity to each other, always remembering that there are people with real feelings on the recieving end.

 

 Oh-no, Semi, Bestworking, DF, Bill Gray, Invictus, are all of you guys with me?

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Extra, you are correct. We are not doing anyone any favors by keeping up with the animosity. For us Christians to argue in such a hateful fashion is so wrong. And for the atheists and agnostics to see us arguing only strengthens their disdain for all things Christian.

 

Whether a person is a believer or not, we ALL could use a good dose of civility.

 

I think one of the things that gets us all going is this: it is so easy to appear smart and funny when we fling our witty insults (such as the one I flung at you the other day about a "mud conspiracy" - please accept my apology.) Being witty in the eyes of humans is not important compared to being kind in the eyes of God.

 

I have been talking to a new Christian friend for the past couple of days and he has opened my eyes to this same truth that you are now speaking of. We can all learn a lot from one another if we will just get our egos out of the way and listen.

 

Thank you, Extra, for bringing this out in the open forum.

 

I'm in.

Hi Extra,

 

Sounds like a wonderful idea to me.  Count me in!  I do agree with O No that a good dose of civility will only make things better on the Religion Forum -- and make for more effective discussions.   Agreeing, or agreeing to disagree, can be done without division and with civility.

 

Thank you for starting this discussion and for making this proposal.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Extra-260:

 

 Oh-no, Semi, Bestworking, DF, Bill Gray, Invictus, are all of you guys with me?

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I think it's a great idea & I'm with you 100%. 

 

I hope you will forgive me for any rude/hateful things I have said to you.

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Count me out, semi, Best, O No watch your back.

The three of you said what you had to say. I can't trust a couple of

Jackals.

 
Originally Posted by Extra-260:

 Oh-no, Semi, Bestworking, DF, Bill Gray, Invictus, are all of you guys with me?

___________________

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

I think it's a great idea & I'm with you 100%.   

I hope you will forgive me for any rude/hateful things I have said to you.

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Originally Posted by INVICTUS: 

Count me out, semi, Best, O No watch your back.

The three of you said what you had to say. I can't trust a couple of

Jackals.

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I may not be a Christian but it would say alot about my character if I refused the offer of an olive branch. I did what I felt would be the right thing for me to do.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
 
Originally Posted by Extra-260:

 Oh-no, Semi, Bestworking, DF, Bill Gray, Invictus, are all of you guys with me?

___________________

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

I think it's a great idea & I'm with you 100%.   

I hope you will forgive me for any rude/hateful things I have said to you.

=======================================

Originally Posted by INVICTUS: 

Count me out, semi, Best, O No watch your back.

The three of you said what you had to say. I can't trust a couple of

Jackals.

____________________________

I may not be a Christian but it would say alot about my character if I refused the offer of an olive branch. I did what I felt would be the right thing for me to do.

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I think you did the right thing semi, because you think it's right,

and I admire you for it.

As for me, I know better, I know them, and it's not that I don't

forgive them for the insults and lies, day in and day out.

I don't trust mindless unscrupulous people. but I love them both.

 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Extra-260:

 

 Oh-no, Semi, Bestworking, DF, Bill Gray, Invictus, are all of you guys with me?

___________________

I think it's a great idea & I'm with you 100%. 

 

I hope you will forgive me for any rude/hateful things I have said to you.

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 And me as well Semi, Please forgive me.

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
 
Originally Posted by Extra-260:

 Oh-no, Semi, Bestworking, DF, Bill Gray, Invictus, are all of you guys with me?

___________________

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

I think it's a great idea & I'm with you 100%.   

I hope you will forgive me for any rude/hateful things I have said to you.

=======================================

Originally Posted by INVICTUS: 

Count me out, semi, Best, O No watch your back.

The three of you said what you had to say. I can't trust a couple of

Jackals.

____________________________

I may not be a Christian but it would say alot about my character if I refused the offer of an olive branch. I did what I felt would be the right thing for me to do.

===============

I think you did the right thing semi, because you think it's right,

and I admire you for it.

As for me, I know better, I know them, and it's not that I don't

forgive them for the insults and lies, day in and day out.

I don't trust mindless unscrupulous people. but I love them both.

 

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 Invictus,

 When I hit the send button on the first post, I put away the past in these forums. Whether you do the same is immaterial to me, I am starting all over with you and everyone else.

Originally Posted by Extra-260:
 

 Invictus,

 When I hit the send button on the first post, I put away the past in these forums. Whether you do the same is immaterial to me, I am starting all over with you and everyone else.

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Well golly gee whiz hallelujah, I feel gifted.

Hit that button baby

 

Ex,

 

Civility is always in order.  Of course I'm with you.

 

Let us be clear, however, that blunt, straightforward, businesslike language is the privilege of an adult.  We are free to express ourselves without reservation as a matter of honest, academic debate.  Feelings and comfortable assumptions might be bruised.  That is the price of a rigorous debate.

 

Childish name calling, ad hominems, pointless insults, and other juvenile behavior we should have outgrown in junior high school serve only to embarrass the person who uses them.  Now, one might say that I have been guilty of this once or twice, but honestly, Ex, sometimes the dumbth just gets frustrating.  For instance, if I hear one more time "There ain't no such thang as intermediate fossils" I'm going to figuratively *****slap someone.  I can be forgiven for that.

 

And then, this is the RELIGION forum where about 2/3 of the participants hold reason and evidence in suspicion.  It's extraordinarily difficult to hold an adult conversation with someone who can simply make up a truth and stick to it.  Yes, it's tiresome, and yes, it's frustrating, but if I never got another point across here again, I would like to make this one: You are entitled to your opinion.  You are not entitled to your own facts.  When someone has his/her own facts to play with, and mean old DF comes along to take away those toys, things can get heated, and they have gotten heated.

 

Buuuuuuuuuut, I'll try to be better.  I don't think I'm the worst offender here to begin with, but we can all use a reminder once in a while to strive to our better capacities.

 

Send A Dollar To DeepFat.

 

DF

Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:

Ex, 

Civility is always in order.  Of course I'm with you. 

Let us be clear, however, that blunt, straightforward, businesslike language is the privilege of an adult.  We are free to express ourselves without reservation as a matter of honest, academic debate.  Feelings and comfortable assumptions might be bruised.  That is the price of a rigorous debate. 

Childish name calling, ad hominems, pointless insults, and other juvenile behavior we should have outgrown in junior high school serve only to embarrass the person who uses them.  Now, one might say that I have been guilty of this once or twice, but honestly, Ex, sometimes the dumbth just gets frustrating.  For instance, if I hear one more time "There ain't no such thang as intermediate fossils" I'm going to figuratively *****slap someone.  I can be forgiven for that. 

And then, this is the RELIGION forum where about 2/3 of the participants hold reason and evidence in suspicion.  It's extraordinarily difficult to hold an adult conversation with someone who can simply make up a truth and stick to it.  Yes, it's tiresome, and yes, it's frustrating, but if I never got another point across here again, I would like to make this one: You are entitled to your opinion.  You are not entitled to your own facts.  When someone has his/her own facts to play with, and mean old DF comes along to take away those toys, things can get heated, and they have gotten heated.

 

Buuuuuuuuuut, I'll try to be better.  I don't think I'm the worst offender here to begin with, but we can all use a reminder once in a while to strive to our better capacities. 

Send A Dollar To DeepFat.

DF

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I knew civility wasn't dead. 

 

But there is some of the coldest, most vicious writing I've ever seen on this forum & I'll admit to being one of the worst. For someone that is confused & has questions, I can be very vocal about what the Bible says. I guess some things we never forget no matter if we believe them or not. 

 

I'm one that has been a little to free to express myself without reservation. How can I learn anything if I'm constantly running my mouth, & one that's difficult to hold an adult conversation with?

I am one of the worst offenders here & I'll join you in trying to be better. Thank you for the reminder.

 

Just exactly what are you doing with those dollars?  

Semi, I contribute the dollars to the benefit of Minnesota orphans who are forced... FORCED... to dance for the entertainment of philosophically suspect men in clubs near the airport.  I give them the dollars, one or two at a time, for their attention to my philosophical questions at the Kit Kat Klub.

 

Vic, if you don't Send A Dollar To DeepFat you have no soul. 

 

Send A Dollar To DeepFat.

 

 

DF

Extra, Billy has accused me of trying to cause animosity & as he put it "end the civil Peace Accord" that you suggested & that some of us agreed to. I started a discussion that I thought would be interesting because a friend & I were discussing it last night. It was not intended to start anything, that thought didn't even enter my mind. 

I just wanted you to know that I am not guilty of what Billy accused me of. I should have ignored his silly accusations, but I didn't. 

Billy doesn't like me & does everything he can to get me to leave or have me banned.

Just wanted you to know my feelings on the subject. I will try to ignore his post & anything else he says.

I agree with Deep's point earlier. I believe most of us are here to convey our ideas as the better one, or the right one, and we should realize that those who oppose us are attempting to do the same. The stronger someone believes in what they are saying the more forcefully they will debate. There is nothing wrong with that. It is to be expected.

 

Religion is a subject that carries deep-seated feelings and beliefs that define the core of who we are. The very nature of these debates often incite emotions that are difficult to control. If a person is easily offended, or has a difficult time keeping a lid on their temper and is not able to keep their responses respectful, then they don't need to be here.

 

However, because these are emotionally charged subjects, and because sometimes we find ourselves on the receiving end of someone's uncontrolled rage and mockery, even the most disciplined can sometimes get out of hand and say things they later regret. So we would be wise to accept the apology of those who offer it, because we never know when we also might need a little mercy and forgiveness ourselves. That is especially true for the Christian who desires forgiveness from God.

 

Luke 17:3-4 "Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. And if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns to you, saying, 'I repent,' you shall forgive him."

 

Matthew 6:14-15 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. "But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

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