Can You Please Pray?

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I've given you logical reasons for my belief

Joy, you've not ever, EVER given a "logical" reason. There IS no "logical" reason for belief in a deity. If there were, we would all agree.

A good study of the term Logic can be found here: Link

Thus far, all that any of you have ever given can be summed up as "I believe because I believe."

That is not logical nor is it rational.

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
I've given you logical reasons for my belief, but you are too closed minded to understand. I don't need you to understand, however. I'm fine.

Joy
I must have missed them... please be a dear and quote your "logical" reasons that you have posted.

Uh, no. If y'all are that close minded, that is on you, not on me. It would be completely illogical for me to NOT believe.

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Uh, no. If y'all are that close minded, that is on you, not on me. It would be completely illogical for me to NOT believe.

I see you've been taking lessons from Bill and Extra.
I didn't actually expect you to proved provide a link - I just wanted to prove a point.

Edit - changed proved to provide

What was your point? That you have a short memory? It's been in the last few days, fine. You knew exactly what I meant and were being a smart alec. Yay for you. Pat yourself on the back.

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
What was your point? That you have a short memory? It's been in the last few days, fine. You knew exactly what I meant and were being a smart alec. Yay for you. Pat yourself on the back.

Instead of giving a smart alec answer for what you believe is a smart alec remark, why don't you just pray for him? Isn't that how you so called "Christian" people are supposed to work?
Do you think God would have given him a smart alec answer?

No, it's not. I responded to him appropriately.

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
No, it's not. I responded to him appropriately.

And I'm sure God would have done the same.
You Christian people slay me!!

I do not follow the gospel according to The Anointed Cherub.

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
I do not follow the gospel according to The Anointed Cherub.

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
I do not follow the gospel according to The Anointed Cherub.

From the things I've read I don't think you follow any gospel except the Gospel according to Joy. I'm sure God is real proud of you.

Cherub...I don't need another Holy Spirit or God, which is the role you are attempting to play in my life. God is perfectly capable of helping me with the gospel as well as convicting me when I am out of line. I answer to Him. I do not answer to you.

Next time someone misrepresents me, should I consult you before defending myself, just to be sure it matches your interpretation of scripture?

I can think of a number of people in the Bible who defended themselves when they were misrepresented. Paul and Job are two that come to mind.

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Miami,

You ask:

1. So does the Christian God have the power to heal her, as he did you?

2. And can you, or anyone else give me (or God) one good reason, why he shouldn't heal her?

The answer: Yes, God can heal anyone of any disease -- and often does. After all, He created you and me; He can heal you and me.

Can I say why God heals some and not others? No, for God's mind, His plan, His will -- is infinite; while ours is finite. We can hardly see past the bump in the road; while God sees His complete universe -- from eternity to eternity.

Why some and not others? I have no idea. I had one friend who lived another seven productive years after being told she had only weeks to live because her cancer had spread so much. I have had other friends who were diagnosed with cancer, appeared to be okay, and, yet, died in a couple of months. He is God; I am not. But, I know that His love, His justice, and His plan for our lives is perfect -- so, I don't question Him. That is called faith. And, those who have died in faith -- are in a place I can only long to see.

I realize that none of this makes sense to you; for you do not have a spiritual life; you do not have the Holy Spirit within you. And, I am truly sorry that you do not have enough faith to put your trust in Him.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Bill, I realize, as you say, that your answer doesn't make sense to me. You are right about that.

Let's see, God could heal her, but he will not because???

Are you saying, specifically, that you can't give a good reason why God shouldn't heal her?

Regards

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
It's been in the last few days, fine.

It should be easy for you to find in that case.

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Originally posted by fineazell1:

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
What was your point? That you have a short memory? It's been in the last few days, fine. You knew exactly what I meant and were being a smart alec. Yay for you. Pat yourself on the back.

It should be easy for you to find in that case.

You remember and I don't like games.

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Originally posted by 8I:
Bill, I realize, as you say, that your answer doesn't make sense to me. You are right about that.

Let's see, God could heal her, but he will not because???

Are you saying, specifically, that you can't give a good reason why God shouldn't heal her?

Regards

Hi Miami,

If I had my way -- every sick or crippled person in the world would be healed. However, in saying that two things are evident: first, that I am speaking from a finite mind, while God is looking at the situation with an infinite, all powerful mind. I do not know the mind of God; only what He chooses to reveal to me. Thus, my limitations.

Second, God's plan for us is perfect; and you and I have no idea of His plan for this woman or anyone who is afflicted.

Look at what He has done through Joni Eareckson Tada. And, she will be the first to tell you that she would not trade this for full healing. Joni feels blessed to be in her wheel chair; so, why should you or I question God's plan for Joni's life.

You ask, "Let's see, God could heal her, but he will not because???"

As your president once said, "That is above my pay scale." But, I trust His infinite judgment, love, and plan.

And, one day, when I stand face to face with Jesus Christ -- I can ask Him. Unfortunately, on the path you are walking today -- you will not be there to hear His answer. But, you can change that -- and join we believers in heaven. Then, you will have all your questions answered.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by The Anointed Cherub:

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
I do not follow the gospel according to The Anointed Cherub.

From the things I've read I don't think you follow any gospel except the Gospel according to Joy. I'm sure God is real proud of you.

Actually I'm quite sure God is proud of her...

Agreed Dixie. Joy has the patience of Job. She is also a much better person than I.


As Job prayed for his friends, God returned his fortune that had been taken away by the devil.
God gave Job twice as much as he had in the beginning.
God gave him twice as many sheep.
God gave him twice as many donkeys.
God gave him twice as many camels.
God gave him twice as many yoke of oxen.
God gave him 7 sons and 3 daughters.
His daughters were the most beautiful in the land.
After all of this, Job lived 140 years and he loved God and praised him every day.

Thank you, Dixie and LMM.

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by 8I:
Bill, I realize, as you say, that your answer doesn't make sense to me. You are right about that.

Let's see, God could heal her, but he will not because???

Are you saying, specifically, that you can't give a good reason why God shouldn't heal her?

Regards

Hi Miami,

If I had my way -- every sick or crippled person in the world would be healed. However, in saying that two things are evident: first, that I am speaking from a finite mind, while God is looking at the situation with an infinite, all powerful mind. I do not know the mind of God; only what He chooses to reveal to me. Thus, my limitations.

Second, God's plan for us is perfect; and you and I have no idea of His plan for this woman or anyone who is afflicted.

Bill, please watch the videos of her, and then come back and tell me you think she's participating in a perfect plan. I beg to differ that this is anything but a living H3ll. Poor woman is still crying out for her God even though he has forsaken her....

Regards

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Originally posted by 8I:

Bill, please watch the videos of her, and then come back and tell me you think she's participating in a perfect plan. I beg to differ that this is anything but a living H3ll. Poor woman is still crying out for her God even though he has forsaken her....

Regards

He didn't forsake her, he sacrificed her in the name of drawing more able bodied people to christ.

Gosh, don't you know how this works yet?

L,

Joy is a very fine person, of this there is no doubt, but you underestimate yourself.


DF

DF,
Thanks for the kind words but I would be the Flying Nun to Joy's Mother Superior!

Mother Superior could not fly.


DF

You're right and I do love a blue sky.

Fly me to the moon
And let me play among the stars
Won't you let me see what spring is like
On Jupiter and Mars

Is there not a problem with this woman's plight being used as a excuse for ten pages of religious argument (both sides)?

It is truly sad to see this women used by atheists to make a macabre attempt at comedy.

You might look at it as she is being exploited but she is getting a lot of prayers out of this, the original point, correct?

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Originally posted by earthmomma:
Is there not a problem with this woman's plight being used as a excuse for ten pages of religious argument (both sides)?

EM, that depends on who you ask. Some Christians here have suggested that God is working through the person that started the thread, which is me, and other believers feel differently, like yourself.

I think the non-believers see the thread as a response to specific claims made by a few Christians that God is omnipotent and can and has healed them or a friend.

I see that God (or Gods) get a lot of credit for certain events, especially if they go well, but never accepts the responsibility when they don't.

I've heard and read about God's power and infinite wisdom, and that his is a perfect plan for us. Claims that he has performed miracle healing(s). All I'm doing is bringing up a couple of points: 1. God has never healed an amputee(and if anyone has evidence, please share it with us) and 2. Can anyone think of a good reason why God shouldn't heal this woman and end her horrible suffering.

Is it unreasonable to ask these questions?

Regards

P.S. I have instructed my assistant to donate money to her cause, and I'm sure other people have and are praying for her. We can see and measure the financial aid, but the specific prayers asking God to do what would be a minuscule split second task for him haven't been effective so far. (and since God obviously has his reasons for never healing an amputee, I'm thinking he will continue his tradition and deny her as well. I'm not happy about that.)

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Originally posted by LMM:
DF,
Thanks for the kind words but I would be the Flying Nun to Joy's Mother Superior!

I wanna fly.

LMM, you have one of the greatest minds and hearts I've ever met. I'd be running to the Nunnery (that's a word?) every day for answers. Plus, I'm pretty sure I'd get kicked out long before motherhood. <hee, hee>

LOL, Joy. Try convent. I will take you with me on the next flight. If I hold your hand we can soar together!

"I believe I can fly"...haha. Deal.

The really sad comedy is watching Benny Hinn wave people to the floor, cured of imaginary diseases. Could be that carrying around all that money makes them sick. Benny cures that, too.

DF

8i,

Come on now.

You can’t buy your way out of what I, based on the entire thread, must accuse you.

Your original intent was insensitive and now you are squirming.

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Originally posted by rramlimnn:
8i,

Come on now.

You can’t buy your way out of what I, based on the entire thread, must accuse you.

Your original intent was insensitive and now you are squirming.

Wha???

rram, you need to read the first post again, or maybe the entire thread again. I have been consistent. You are, of course, free to assume what you wish.

Regards

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Nunnery (that's a word?)

It was good enough for Shakespeare.

I sometimes make up words because I can't think of one that exactly fits, but when I typed nunnery, Firefox spell check allowed it. Maybe nunnery was buried somewhere in the ole brain from reading Shakespeare once upon a time.

Crusty,
It has been used before but it is not the correct name. If you use nunnery, then you have to use monkery and that sounds awful!

He did say "Get thee to a nunnery!"

I thought I had come across this before, and this thread made me investigate it again.

You might find the word "nunnery" is not what you expect.

Link


DF

LOL, a brothel??????????????
Now I KNOW the nuns would prefer convent!