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Sexting becoming serious problem
By Mark Harrison
The Times-Journal

Published February 24, 2010

The actions of a 14-year-old DeKalb County girl has resulted in the arrests of about a dozen people so far, mostly in Louisiana.

DeKalb Sheriff’s Major Crimes Unit Commander Wade Hill said the girl took nude pictures of herself using a cell phone camera, then forwarded the photos to an adult male in Louisiana who she had met online.

That man, who Hill did not identify, in turn forwarded the racy photos to his brother who, in turn, forwarded them to a number of his friends. Hill said an investigation into the matter is ongoing and additional arrests are expected.

He said the practice of children sending nude photos or sexually explicit messages by way of cell phone texts – commonly known as “sexting” – is a growing phenomenon in DeKalb County.

Hill said the sheriff’s department currently has 15 open cases related to children between the ages of 12-15 transmitting nude photos of themselves by way of cell phones. He said both the children and the people receiving the photos, even if they are unsolicited, could be found guilty of local, state and even federal crimes.

“People need to understand that this is transmission and possession of child pornography,” Hill said. “One of the most severe crimes is transmission of child pornography. If it’s sent by phone or computer, that’s a federal offense. Juveniles can be charged. These kids need to understand that if they are under 16 and sending out nude pictures of themselves, they are sending out child pornography, and this could result in their arrest and incarceration.”

According to District Attorney Mike O’Dell, any production of obscene material is a Class A felony in Alabama and would carry with it 10 years to life in prison for adults. An adult with nude photos of a minor could also bring up to 10 years in prison. He said a minor could be charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor if found with obscene pictures on a cell phone.

“Parents have got to get more involved and see what their children are doing,” Sheriff Jimmy Harris said. “And anyone who receives a photo or sexually explicit text that is unsolicited should make a report to their local police department or to the sheriff’s department.”

Hill said he also encourages parents to monitor their children’s Internet activity and make sure children know that anyone they encounter online has the potential to be a predator.

“We have kids that are making very bad decisions at a very young age,” Hill said. “And these actions carry consequences that could follow them for the rest of their lives.”

Something to think about Lauderdale Board of Education.
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I agree. I think it's bs that they can do that. How do they know it's actually the girl? If the police look at the girl, then they should be arrested too. There needs to be new laws written for this sexting crap and not use child porn laws written 20 years ago. So, if you got them sent to you and you didn't know she was underage, your butt is going to jail just because.
Actually the law is even more screwed up than that. You can legally have sex at 16, but if you distribute pictures of the participants and they are under 17, it's child porn. Explain that one. You can have sex, just make sure you don't record it for posterity!

§ 13A-12-192. Possession and possession with intent to disseminate obscene matter containing visual depiction of persons under 17 years of age involved in obscene acts.


(a) Any person who knowingly possesses with intent to disseminate any obscene matter that contains a visual depiction of a person under the age of 17 years engaged in any act of sado-masochistic abuse, sexual intercourse, sexual excitement, masturbation, breast nudity, genital nudity, or other sexual conduct shall be guilty of a Class B felony. Possession of three or more copies of the same visual depiction contained in obscene matter is prima facie evidence of possession with intent to disseminate the same.

(b) Any person who knowingly possesses any obscene matter that contains a visual depiction of a person under the age of 17 years engaged in any act of sado-masochistic abuse, sexual intercourse, sexual excitement, masturbation, genital nudity, or other sexual conduct shall be guilty of a Class C felony.
Teens are always going to brag to each other about their sexuality. Adults need to just get over it. I've been told that some of my male students have sent messages containing pictures cropped from Internet photos featuring incredibly large sex organs. Also, I've been told that some girls send photos of very attractive mammary glands that are not their own. Do I approve of this? NO. Do I lose any sleep over it? NOT AT ALL.
I think if it can be proven that the older person was soliciting the material then the underage person sending it should not be in trouble at all. My reasoning is that these predators being older and having experience getting kids to do things they would not normally do seem to have a way of making kids feel like it's ok to send out racy photos. I think the sickos that get kids to send them porn should have their **+$ cut off!
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Originally posted by forumaddict2:
I'm pretty darn sure that little s*** knew exactly what she was doing and nobody had a gun to her head. Roll Eyes


I guess by your logic when one of these predators pays a visit to a child when their parents are away that the child "knew exactly what he/she was doing" and they should be arrested too?
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Originally posted by forumaddict2:
I'm pretty darn sure that little s*** knew exactly what she was doing and nobody had a gun to her head. Roll Eyes


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Originally posted by BFred07:
I guess by your logic when one of these predators pays a visit to a child when their parents are away that the child "knew exactly what he/she was doing" and they should be arrested too?


If said child didn't know what she was doing, than what would you call it?
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Originally posted by BFred07:
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Originally posted by forumaddict2:
I'm pretty darn sure that little s*** knew exactly what she was doing and nobody had a gun to her head. Roll Eyes


I guess by your logic when one of these predators pays a visit to a child when their parents are away that the child "knew exactly what he/she was doing" and they should be arrested too?
There's a big difference in what you describe. Who INSTIGATED the event?
Sorry, but unless a 14 year old has been living in complete seclusion all her life and has never been taught what's considered proper behavior and what's asking for trouble, she knows very well not to arrange to meet some perv or send nude photos of herself to anybody. It's her fault and if anybody under 18 is going to be charged, she should be charged right along with everybody else.
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
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Originally posted by forumaddict2:
I'm pretty darn sure that little s*** knew exactly what she was doing and nobody had a gun to her head. Roll Eyes


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Originally posted by BFred07:
I guess by your logic when one of these predators pays a visit to a child when their parents are away that the child "knew exactly what he/she was doing" and they should be arrested too?


If said child didn't know what she was doing, than what would you call it?


A victim of really bad parenting??? What, was she raised in a convent or something?
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Originally posted by forumaddict2:
Sorry, but unless a 14 year old has been living in complete seclusion all her life and has never been taught what's considered proper behavior and what's asking for trouble, she knows very well not to arrange to meet some perv or send nude photos of herself to anybody. It's her fault and if anybody under 18 is going to be charged, she should be charged right along with everybody else.


Pedophiles sweet talk their way into getting kids to do things and often do not reveal their true age, at some point though the "sweet talking" ends and they use intimidation to get what they want. I think using the threat of "oh yea, if you tell you go to jail too" is probably a very effective way these predators are able to continue terrorizing children. The underage child is the victim in these situations and they should not have to fear prosecution to get out from under the control of a pedophile!
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Originally posted by BFred07:
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Originally posted by forumaddict2:
Sorry, but unless a 14 year old has been living in complete seclusion all her life and has never been taught what's considered proper behavior and what's asking for trouble, she knows very well not to arrange to meet some perv or send nude photos of herself to anybody. It's her fault and if anybody under 18 is going to be charged, she should be charged right along with everybody else.


Pedophiles sweet talk their way into getting kids to do things and often do not reveal their true age, at some point though the "sweet talking" ends and they use intimidation to get what they want. I think using the threat of "oh yea, if you tell you go to jail too" is probably a very effective way these predators are able to continue terrorizing children. The underage child is the victim in these situations and they should not have to fear prosecution to get out from under the control of a pedophile!


So, what you're saying is that it would have been okay for this girl to take nude pictures of herself and send them to someone as long as they weren't over 18? She's distributing child pornography whether she sent them to someone over 18 or under 18. Key words here being she sent them.
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Originally posted by forumaddict2:
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Originally posted by BFred07:
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Originally posted by forumaddict2:
Sorry, but unless a 14 year old has been living in complete seclusion all her life and has never been taught what's considered proper behavior and what's asking for trouble, she knows very well not to arrange to meet some perv or send nude photos of herself to anybody. It's her fault and if anybody under 18 is going to be charged, she should be charged right along with everybody else.


Pedophiles sweet talk their way into getting kids to do things and often do not reveal their true age, at some point though the "sweet talking" ends and they use intimidation to get what they want. I think using the threat of "oh yea, if you tell you go to jail too" is probably a very effective way these predators are able to continue terrorizing children. The underage child is the victim in these situations and they should not have to fear prosecution to get out from under the control of a pedophile!


So, what you're saying is that it would have been okay for this girl to take nude pictures of herself and send them to someone as long as they weren't over 18? She's distributing child pornography whether she sent them to someone over 18 or under 18. Key words here being she sent them.


No, that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying to put it bluntly is that kids in general are stupid and these freaks that want to look at children and crap like that know how to exploit their stupidity. Additionally when and if the child starts to wise up a little the kids should be immune from prosecution in such matters instead of their tormentors being able to hold it over their head.
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Originally posted by BFred07:
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Originally posted by forumaddict2:
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Originally posted by BFred07:
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Originally posted by forumaddict2:
Sorry, but unless a 14 year old has been living in complete seclusion all her life and has never been taught what's considered proper behavior and what's asking for trouble, she knows very well not to arrange to meet some perv or send nude photos of herself to anybody. It's her fault and if anybody under 18 is going to be charged, she should be charged right along with everybody else.


Pedophiles sweet talk their way into getting kids to do things and often do not reveal their true age, at some point though the "sweet talking" ends and they use intimidation to get what they want. I think using the threat of "oh yea, if you tell you go to jail too" is probably a very effective way these predators are able to continue terrorizing children. The underage child is the victim in these situations and they should not have to fear prosecution to get out from under the control of a pedophile!


So, what you're saying is that it would have been okay for this girl to take nude pictures of herself and send them to someone as long as they weren't over 18? She's distributing child pornography whether she sent them to someone over 18 or under 18. Key words here being she sent them.


No, that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying to put it bluntly is that kids in general are stupid and these freaks that want to look at children and crap like that know how to exploit their stupidity. Additionally when and if the child starts to wise up a little the kids should be immune from prosecution in such matters instead of their tormentors being able to hold it over their head.


Stupid is a harsh word to use. I would say ignorant. A teacher I had once said Stupid is knowing better and doing it anyway, and Ignorant is not knowing it is wrong.
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Originally posted by canade:

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Stupid is a harsh word to use. I would say ignorant. A teacher I had once said Stupid is knowing better and doing it anyway, and Ignorant is not knowing it is wrong.


My intended meaning for stupid is the fact that many kids think they know everything because they do not realize how much they do not know or you could say they do not realize their own points of ignorance. These freaks know this and they sit around figuring out how to exploit it. I do not think the kids should be in trouble over this (except maybe at home)because they are the victims of those that aggressively pursue them for immoral purposes. I doubt it is very difficult for a 40 year old pervert to worm their way into the life of a 13 year old.
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Originally posted by BFred07:
I guess by your logic when one of these predators pays a visit to a child when their parents are away that the child "knew exactly what he/she was doing" and they should be arrested too?


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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
If said child didn't know what she was doing, than what would you call it?


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Originally posted by forumaddict2:
A victim of really bad parenting??? What, was she raised in a convent or something?


forumaddict, I wasn't questioning you. Wink
The question was for BFred07 because he seems to think the child didn't know what she was doing.
All of this is just another reason why kids SHOULD NOT HAVE CELL PHONES. The parents are to blame for this nonsense. Cell phones are for adults. Do we give our pre-teens cars? No. Do we give them a six-pack of beer to carry to school? No. Do we send our pre-teen boys off with sheepskins in their wallets? No. (Well some do I am sure, but that's a different issue all together). Do we send off our 12 year old girls with birth control pills? No. (well maybe in Nancy Pelosi's district but not in middle America).

The world got along just fine prior to the 90's when everyone got cell phones. They do have their advantages, sure, but they are simply abused now. Adults abuse them enough by driving around 24/7 with them at their ear. WTF is so important that so many people have to be on their phones 24/7? I mean, seriously, what do you women on your phones talk about? Who are you calling? I see it all the time while driving and I know all of you can't be assistants to the President or hold important jobs where you have to be reachable 24/7. The world isn't going to stop if you aren't reachable on your cell. So, GTFO the phones already, ladies (that is, unless you're hot and are calling me).

Even though we all know the ladies love to chat, men can sometimes be as bad. I was at the gym the other day and saw a dude doing hack squats while talking on his cell. I felt like slapping him. I mean, dude either GTFO the phone or go home. Your GF (or BF) can wait to see your scrawny body when you get home.

And it goes without saying that texting is even worse than talking since one's eyes have to be off the road for such an extended period of time. This is, no doubt, what caused that girl to hit that school bus the other day. A young life snuffed out all because she just had to be texting while driving!

However, texting does have the advantage of not being as annoying to those around you. So, if you MUST communicate with someone over your cell while in public, at least do it through text. That way, you spare us all the details of your love life (or lack thereof).
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
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Originally posted by forumaddict2:
Oh, I'm sorry semiannualchick! BFred07, excuse me for jumping in. Would you mind answering the question?


No problem. I would like for BFred07 to answer that too, but I don't think he can.


I believe the question has already been addressed however I will do it again. Unless an adult is either family, youth pastor, or a very short list of other people they have no business associating with a 14 year old. Pedophiles spend a lot of time and effort trying to figure out how to worm themselves into the lives of children and many of them have gotten pretty darn good at it. It is not all of that difficult for this sub-human garbage to strike up a conversation with a child, ease their way into the childs life, and eventually take control. From this standpoint I would say "not knowing what they are doing" is the wrong wording it is more like not knowing what they are getting into because by the time a kid figures out they're a victim of a child predator they may already have given enough info that the perverts are able to use intimidation and threats to control the child. Since the kids at this point may be afraid to go to their parents, police, or school officials I would say in wanting out of the situation they do not know what they are doing at all. My argument here is that the threat of the child being prosecuted is a very powerful tool in the perv's bag of tricks to keep kids quite and under their control and this is one of the reasons I say the child in these cases should be immune from prosecution. With threats like that the kids don't know what to do except to do as their tormentor tells them.
To address forumaddict, I would say many of these kids are also victims of bad parenting. Parents need to communicate with their kids about the dangers of child predators, things like not giving out their real name on web sites, on their facebook pages do not list your school, where you live, or the church you attend. If someone tries to talk to you online that you do not know then don't talk to them and tell your parents. If your child has a cell phone put a locator on the phone not only can you keep up with if your teen is where they are supposed to be but if they were to be abducted as long as the phone is on them and turned on you can find where they are. Parents should keep an eye on their kids cell phone bills and if there are calls and/or messages to or from numbers you do not recognize then check it out! Additionally I monitor my kids internet activity and all of this is done without them even knowing it. The most important thing a parent can do is to actually talk to their kids and be an involved parent.
But even with all of this sometimes it's still not enough, I would not judge a parent whose kid is being abused by one of these dirt bags without getting all the details.

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