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Originally posted by tigrtrek:
To be honest I had never given it much thought. The few admitted atheists I have met always seemed angry to me. I suppose atheists are just like everyone else trying to live their lives to the fullest.
Wow that's weird. All the christians on this forum except for maybe two or three seem angry to me, and the atheists seem happy go lucky.
Since I hold that there is no such thing as a atheist but only candidates.

The candidate that purposely seeks some reason to be atheist would necessarily live their daily lives scared, confused and disoriented as opposed to a Christian with a book of instructions giving comfort, vision , direction and a promise of something better after this life.
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Since we know that most Christians are just like atheists 6 days a week, the only difference is that atheists get Sundays off.


Not really, NSNS.
Not really.
I, and many people I know live every day not for ourselves, but to glorify God by loving one another and putting everyone else first.
I fail sometimes, of course, lol...but the difference is that I am ever mindful of my call to try to emminate Christ's love for us in how I live my life.
just sayin.
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Veep, we love one another out of human solidarity. We are a social species


Where is the human solidarity when "we" let enormous numbers of people die in Darfur? Africa with famine and AIDS? The Holocaust?

I believe it is true that humans tend to be decent to eachother on a small scale, but I disagree that there is a "solidarity" just based on being the "human race".
We certainly don't take care of eachother when we slaughter babies....but that's a whole other topic.....
It's spotty, I agree. We tend to engage in solidarity with our own tribes, more often than not.

Apes that we are, however, we revert to our brutal nature all too often.

You bring up a good question. When does conscionability demand action? Perfectly civilized nations like Sweden and Switzerland, to name only those who begin with "SW" refuse to interfere in national and regional conflicts.

Are they callous? Are they advanced? Can a civilized nation interfere in a conflict whose causes are beyond its comprehension?

I really don't know.


nsns
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by Loki:
Atheism isn't a belief, it's lack of a belief that there is a god.

Hi Loki,

You believe that, right?

Therefore, it is your belief.

Surprise! - Surprise! - Surprise! - you have a belief, so that is your religion!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


I believe that the Earth is round, the sky is blue, and the grass is green. Is that my religion too Bill?
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Originally posted by bowman:
I think this is an interesting topic. I'm always interested in the worldview of others. It would be an interesting discussion about how (or if) different worldviews shape a person's daily life and outlook.


bowman, while religion is certainly a "worldview" atheism is not. i do not base any decision i make on my lack of belief. i do not consult my "atheist values" when i have a moral dilemma because there are none.

atheism is one single statement that gods do not likely exist. nothing more or less.

my "worldview" is complicated. i certainly have a "skeptical" worldview. i also have a "scientific" worldview. i have a "naturalistic" workdview.

but atheism offers no guidance, no knowledge, no moral solutions or scientific answers to vexing questions. it reflects ONLY my opinion on the existence of gods.
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Originally posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Glad you're just sayin', veep.

Veep, we love one another out of human solidarity. We are a social species.

We take care of those incapable of taking care of themselves. We give to charities. We consolidate in worthwhile causes.

None of this takes religion. It's who we are. God and religion came out of this impulse, not the other way around.

Be well.

nsns


What scientific evidence do you have that proves that statement?

What is the scientific evidence that shows exactly how ONLY HUMANS live the way you described us. In the wild, they kill those incapable of taking care of themselves, even in there own group. In the wild, the ones incapable of taking care of themselves are shuffled to the back of the pack where predators take them out first so that the fittest of the groups can escape.

So please, what FACTUAL(not an unproven theory)... what FACTUAL SCIENFIC EVIDENCE do you have that clearly states why humans seem to be THE ONLY EVOLVED SPECIES that lives the way you described?

I say all of this because you can't just state something without evidence...then you'd just be using blind faith... we can't have that now can we??? Wink
Hmm...What's all that noise BeeG spews about Argue and Debate?

Seems to me like it's the christians that're all warlike and stuff. Nitpickin' when they run outta talent and all tryin' to start something.

An atheist asked you believers a dirt-simple question and some of you superstitious, fanatical smacktards just have to turn it into another flippin' crusade. Get over yourselves. You ain't that special. Just please answer the question or cheese off if ya don't wanna answer it, but fa chrissakes quit bein' a frickin' chooch about it.
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Originally posted by Unobtanium:
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I say all of this because you can't just state something without evidence...then you'd just be using blind faith... we can't have that now can we???



the stupid. it burns.

peter, this earth is filled with social creatures that cooperate in order to survive. my god, how can you not know this?


You would know wouldnt you dipstick?

If you don't understand the question, it's ok just to say so, or ignore it. You continuously make an arse out of yourself by anwering a question in your typical "intellectual superior" way... all the while YOU DON'T ANSWER THE QUESTION I ASKED!

You argued over and over and over again that animals can all have sex with each other,but that we can't infer consent of an animal with a human... but now you are comparing humans with other "social creatures that cooperate in order to surive"??? I've seen a cats EAT ONE OF THE WEAKEST OF IT'S KITTENS FOR SURVIVAL. How many humans do you know have even the natural instinct to do that, much less it be overridden by COMMON SENSE, LOGICAL PROGRESSION OF THOUGHT WHICH ANIMALS IN THE WILD DO NOT POSSESS.

So now... maybe you understand the question now... What are all other animals in the wild so similar in that they are driven by primal instinct alone, yet ONLY humans has developed the higer level of livin we enjoy?

You can't put up the barrier between the animals in the wild and humans when we have the zoophillia debate and lump them together now simply because you can't explain why ONLY HUMANS developed the way we have to live as NSNS described.
How do you think Christians live their lives?

Well of course, it's much different than how atheists live. Today, I burned three witches. I knew they were witches because they weighed the same as a duck.

I handled a couple of snakes, sang "Freebird" in tongues, and sent most of my money as a love gift to a blue haired lady on cable TV.

Pretty much an average day. If my witch fire is still going tomorrow, should be since witches are made of wood, I'm going to toss a couple of Korans and science books in it. Maybe go to Bed Bath and Beyond, I don't know if I'll have enough time.
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Originally posted by Unobtanium:
bowman, while religion is certainly a "worldview" atheism is not.


Sorry, but I have to disagree with you. I never mentioned religion, but worldview. A worldview is the framework from which we view reality and make sense of life and the world. Geisler lists seven historical worldviews: atheism, deism, theism, pantheism, panentheism, finite godism, and polytheism. It's not a definitive list, but every list of worldviews I could find listed atheism. You mention that atheism offers no guidance, no knowledge, no moral solutions or scientific answers to vexing questions. To me, it would be interesting to see what affects that worldview has on a person's life as compared to a deist, theist, or pantheist.
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So now... maybe you understand the question now... What are all other animals in the wild so similar in that they are driven by primal instinct alone, yet ONLY humans has developed the higer level of livin we enjoy?

The frenzied way you jump around and the nonsensical questions you ask make it impossible to understand you. You keep going back to sex with animals. Bizarre.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
[QUOTE]So now... maybe you understand the question now... What are all other animals in the wild so similar in that they are driven by primal instinct alone, yet ONLY humans has developed the higer level of livin we enjoy?

The frenzied way you jump around and the nonsensical questions you ask make it impossible to understand you. You keep going back to sex with animals. Bizarre.[/QUOTE
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Your trapped and you know it.


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Originally posted by bowman:
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Originally posted by Unobtanium:
bowman, while religion is certainly a "worldview" atheism is not.


Sorry, but I have to disagree with you. I never mentioned religion, but worldview. A worldview is the framework from which we view reality and make sense of life and the world. Geisler lists seven historical worldviews: atheism, deism, theism, pantheism, panentheism, finite godism, and polytheism. ..... To me, it would be interesting to see what affects that worldview has on a person's life as compared to a deist, theist, or pantheist..


"Geisler" appears to be fundamentalist. Fundamentalists seem to have a fixation on putting atheism in the same philosophical "bucket" as other religions. i believe this is an attempt to make atheism just as full of foible and folly as any other religion. that just doesn't work on a number of levels.

demonstration: you are a christian, I presume, with a christian worldview. from that, i can make some very general assumptions about you without knowing you at all such as: you believe in the sanctity of life and of marriage. you believe you are going to meet loved ones when you ascend into heaven. you are probably a republican. when you have a moral dilemma, you pray to your god for guidance. you try to emulate jesus as much as you can and, like all sinners, constantly fall from grace.

not all of those will apply to you, of course, but many have to apply or you would not be a christian.

i'm an atheist. now please tell me what areas of my life are informed by an "atheistic worldview"? you are required to pretend you know nothing else about me except that i do not believe in gods.

if atheists have a "worldview" then you should be able to predict my stance on a number of topics.
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Originally posted by Unobtanium:
i admit it peter, you busted me. i cannot hold a candle to your lofty intellect. i give up.


I've never once stated or insinuated that I was smarter than you. I asked a question to another poster that you jumped in on with a nonsensical nonresponse. If you didn't like the question or understand the question then IGNORE the question. Otherwise you look foolish rambling about something that had nothing to do with my question. Ya'll are the one's who scream "EVIDENCE, EVIDENCE...GOTTA HAVE EVIDENCE..."(I hear you all screaming in the highest pitched whiniest Fran Drescher voice possible)... yet I asked one simple question seeking scientific evidence that explains why ONLY HUMANS have the logical progression of thought and deductive reasoning and there was no answer. If you'd like to answer, go for it.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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So now... maybe you understand the question now... What are all other animals in the wild so similar in that they are driven by primal instinct alone, yet ONLY humans has developed the higer level of livin we enjoy?

The frenzied way you jump around and the nonsensical questions you ask make it impossible to understand you. You keep going back to sex with animals. Bizarre.


My first question was not nonsensical, and it was for NSNS. Read it... if you have an answer, go for it, if not, ignore it... I don't care. I'm guessin NSNS doesnt have an answer since he hasn't responded, and Uno doesn't have an answer since, as he usually does, changed the question so his answer could dodge mine.

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