Christians-How do you think Atheists live their lives?

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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
Uno obviously didn't want to touch my response because he knew I caught him in a contradiction.


i didn't bother because you are too stupid to grasp a simple concept. there, i said it.

Oh you did it now! He was bad enough before you said it! How many times can you explain something? I think he does "get it" he just doesn't want to admit he does. He thinks that will be admitting defeat.

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Originally posted by Jennifer:
You keep claiming people are calling you an idiot. Unob especially. I've "skimmed" back through some posts and can't find that. Where are the posts?

hi jen. i probably have. he IS an idiot. i tried to be patient for a while but he has demonstrated a fantastic level of self-imposed ignorance.

and i'm NOT saying all christians are stupid, by the way. i used to be one. but some are hopless. there is only one or two other people here that are so pathetically stupid as this dude.

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Originally posted by Jennifer:
I think he does "get it" he just doesn't want to admit he does.

sorry, i disagree, jen. he has a incredible inability to connect the dots of logic. i suppose that is due to the large, vacant areas of ignorance between said dots.

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Originally posted by buffalo:
Bowman, don’t fret too much about these atheist candidates and their ejaculations of ignorance.

I have had these candidates under my study for years on here.

First, they are in denial.

Second they self medicate.

Third’ paranoia sets in when the booze don’t work.

Fourth, bi-polar tics of sudden rage, aggression directed at society as a whole resulting in withdrawal and inventions of relations with the imaginary.

Fifth, they are easy targets for the fringe where they huddle in secret like quail with their tails together, big eyed staring out in anticipation for some transfiguration away from their hell guided by the hand of dawkins the lesser.

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Originally posted by Jennifer:

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The point is, I hear... WE ARE ANIMALS IDIOT... Then when it comes to zoophillia even an atheist will talk about morality, which shouldnt exist. Ya'll scratch and claw and yelp about the HUGE divide between humans and animal... But then, once again, we get this type of discussion where all I hear is an atheist saying that ... HUMANS ARE JUST SLIGHTLY EVOLVED ANIMALS IN TERMS OF INTELLIGENCE.

You keep claiming people are calling you an idiot. Unob especially. I've "skimmed" back through some posts and can't find that. Where are the posts?

look at the post just under the one of yours I'm quoting.

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Originally posted by Unobtanium:

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Originally posted by Jennifer:
You keep claiming people are calling you an idiot. Unob especially. I've "skimmed" back through some posts and can't find that. Where are the posts?

hi jen. i probably have. he IS an idiot. i tried to be patient for a while but he has demonstrated a fantastic level of self-imposed ignorance.

and i'm NOT saying all christians are stupid, by the way. i used to be one. but some are hopless. there is only one or two other people here that are so pathetically stupid as this dude.

Uno.. you HAVE NO ANSWER AS CAN BE PROVEN WITH SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.

So keep being a punk internet tuff guy and call me whatever you like. There is no answer. Jennifer said it as well.. Why, no one knows, but it is what it is... that paraphrases what she said. Is she an idiot too?

All I know for a fact is, you wouldn't talk to me this way in person, thus you shouldnt type it on your computer. But if you disagree with this, PM me a location and we'll get together for a chat. Otherwise, drop the name calling BS. Only and idiot resorts to name calling simply because they can't make a valid point.

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Originally posted by buffalo:

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Originally posted by buffalo:
Bowman, don’t fret too much about these atheist candidates and their ejaculations of ignorance.

I have had these candidates under my study for years on here.

First, they are in denial.

Second they self medicate.

Third’ paranoia sets in when the booze don’t work.

Fourth, bi-polar tics of sudden rage, aggression directed at society as a whole resulting in withdrawal and inventions of relations with the imaginary.

Fifth, they are easy targets for the fringe where they huddle in secret like quail with their tails together, big eyed staring out in anticipation for some transfiguration away from their hell guided by the hand of dawkins the lesser.

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Ya know buffy, with all the other atheist on here having you on ignore, I am probably the only one that ever sees these kind of post by you.

I deny nothing that has real evidence.
I do not take medications not prescribed by a dr.
About the only thing I am a bit paranoid about is the safety of my children.
I am very calm, even tempered, and I have no relationship with anyone imaginary (sounds like another group represented on here though)
You have probably read more of Dawkins books and articles than I have. I have no idea what the rest of number 5 is supposed to mean.

Since I am the only one that is still reading your post could you think about not making such blanketed statements about all atheist?

Others may not understand why I call you friend. I can understand why that is. All they see is this kind of thing from you. I wish they knew the same guy I did. Regardless I will keep you.

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Originally posted by Jennifer:

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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
Uno obviously didn't want to touch my response because he knew I caught him in a contradiction.


i didn't bother because you are too stupid to grasp a simple concept. there, i said it.

Oh you did it now! He was bad enough before you said it! How many times can you explain something? I think he does "get it" he just doesn't want to admit he does. He thinks that will be admitting defeat.

Answer me this Jenn... What is there to "get"?

There is no scientifically proven answer as to why ONLY HUMANS have the vastly superior levels of intellect and emotional capactiy. None.... thus, anyone saying I'm wrong is going off of specualation, not fact. Even if I am only speculation there is a God, it's still no different from speculating that "evolution" is the reason.

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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:

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Originally posted by Unobtanium:

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Originally posted by Jennifer:
You keep claiming people are calling you an idiot. Unob especially. I've "skimmed" back through some posts and can't find that. Where are the posts?

hi jen. i probably have. he IS an idiot. i tried to be patient for a while but he has demonstrated a fantastic level of self-imposed ignorance.

and i'm NOT saying all christians are stupid, by the way. i used to be one. but some are hopless. there is only one or two other people here that are so pathetically stupid as this dude.

Uno.. you HAVE NO ANSWER AS CAN BE PROVEN WITH SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.

So keep being a punk internet tuff guy and call me whatever you like. There is no answer. Jennifer said it as well.. Why, no one knows, but it is what it is... that paraphrases what she said. Is she an idiot too?

All I know for a fact is, you wouldn't talk to me this way in person, thus you shouldnt type it on your computer. But if you disagree with this, PM me a location and we'll get together for a chat. Otherwise, drop the name calling BS. Only and idiot resorts to name calling simply because they can't make a valid point.

I won't meet you after school in the parking lot to fight, but if you were standing in front of me saying the same ignorant things you have here....well then I would say that you are an idiot. To your face. Out loud for everyone to hear. Sometimes you just got to call a spade a spade.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. *LOL*

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Answer me this Jenn... What is there to "get"?

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Answer me this Jenn... What is there to "get"?

There is no scientifically proven answer as to why ONLY HUMANS have the vastly superior levels of intellect and emotional capactiy. None.... thus, anyone saying I'm wrong is going off of specualation, not fact. Even if I am only speculation there is a God, it's still no different from speculating that "evolution" is the reason.

Then believe in your god and get off the nasty beastiality kick. I notice you didn't answer my questions. You pulled the BG trick of going in a different direction.

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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:

There is no scientifically proven answer as to why ONLY HUMANS have the vastly superior levels of intellect and emotional capactiy. None....

You are right. There is none. Know why? Because it is not true dimwit.

Where is your scientific proof to back up YOUR claim? Show me a REAL scientific paper saying that humans are vastly superior intellectually and emotionally from all other animals.

Put up or shut up Peter.

I guess it all boils down to one thing, if a god was so magnificent that he could create a universe and all life on it, why did he mess up so bad when he created man? That makes NO sense whatsoever.

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Originally posted by Jankinonya:
Do you believe that primitive humans had these powerful weapons? Come on Peter. Follow the logic.

I did answer you, and I will answer you again. We developed our intellect to make up for our physical weakness.

What you fail to see, or refuse to see is that evolution does have facts to back it up. Tested, tried and true. Creationism has no such thing. They are not equal in anyway.

Have you looked into the dolphins? How bout octopus? These creatures are as smart if not smarter than humans. Have you seen the work the military is doing with dolphins? Amazing stuff.

We are not VASTLY more intelligent than all other animals. Before you argue so strongly on a subject be sure and get your facts straight. The bible is not a science book so in this debate it can not be used to demonstrate your point.

Consent is way more than intelligence. Actually you can be as dumb as a box of hair and consent to sex. Animals can't consent due to the lack of communication and understanding. Why is that so hard for you? I actually think you understand, but just keep clinging to your same argument because you have painted yourself into a corner and have nothing else to offer.

Human morals are not horse morals, or cow morals, or any other animals morals. They are ours. Animals have their own set of morals. We may never understand exactly how they think. We have not gotten smart enough yet to communicate on that level with other animals. What we do know from observation is that they have emotions, compassion and care for their own. As with other species as well. I have seen dog raise kittens. It didn't have to. It chose to. Why do you think that is? Have you ever seen the video of the two dogs on the freeway? One is hit by a car and the other keeps risking its own life to drag the injured one to the side of the road. It never gave up. Why would it do that? If it functioned on survival instincts alone (as you have stated) it would have left the other dog behind and made it to safety.

Dog saves dog

So we "developed" our intellect to make up for physical weakness... then why don't deer "develope" intellect to make up for their physical weakness? Or any other animal in the wild that is a constant punching bag on the food chain???? WHY ONLY HUMANS? It comes back to that question. Physically we have limitations that we overcome with intellect and common sense, logical progression of thought. So why not the deer?

And you talking about dolphins??? really??? LMAO!! When dolphins create and develop a device that allows them to travel on dry land... holla back at me. Until then, categorize them as a smart animal of the wild, but don't creep them anywhere near humans. That drives my point home all the more. Even when you find "studies" that show high intellect of a particular animal, it still pales in comparison to humans.

And I say that about morals because there cannot be a consistent standard there. Society dictates wordly morals. What's "moral" in America isn't necessarily what's "moral" in China, Canada, India, etc.. There is no moral code of humans on a purely wordly view.

As for communication, once again, that's VERY flawed. Non-verbal communication is a very important aspect of communication. Now, I obviously don't think humans have ever, nor will ever, be able to communicate with animals for consent. But if "evolution" happened, then it is still happening. Will zoophillia ALWAYS be wrong, or could animals develop the ability to communicate with us? Or can they already on some levels, you just don't want to admit to any of it because it pokes obvious holes in your arguement. Once again, if you infer consent from your dog that it desires to play fetch, or eat, or take a nap with you, then how can you say for a fact that you can't infer consent needed in "zoophilia"? Sex is nothing more than a primal urge right? You are putting too much stock in sex when it is simply a function of animals. By the strict worldly view, I'm finding it hard to understand how you can just mark that one off??

I'm not painted in a corner on this topic. I'm very clear as to the roles of humans and animals as discussed in the Bible. Humans were created seperately, and in God's image. Animals were not. We are over the animals on the todem pole of life. From my belief system, there is no way anyone could ever even ask me that question.
But from the purely wordly, atheist's view of it, how can that be? We must be viewed as the same....we all came from the same ooze right? The same rock that came from nowhere, that exploded for no reason, and randomly changed from simplicity to complexity. Why did ONLY HUMANS become so complex? Billions of species, and only humans? You'll have a tough time convincing someone of that without evidence of scientific testing that explains the origin of all... and unfortunately, no scientific theory does that. Only guesses.

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Originally posted by Jankinonya:

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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:

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Originally posted by Unobtanium:

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Originally posted by Jennifer:
You keep claiming people are calling you an idiot. Unob especially. I've "skimmed" back through some posts and can't find that. Where are the posts?

hi jen. i probably have. he IS an idiot. i tried to be patient for a while but he has demonstrated a fantastic level of self-imposed ignorance.

and i'm NOT saying all christians are stupid, by the way. i used to be one. but some are hopless. there is only one or two other people here that are so pathetically stupid as this dude.

Uno.. you HAVE NO ANSWER AS CAN BE PROVEN WITH SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.

So keep being a punk internet tuff guy and call me whatever you like. There is no answer. Jennifer said it as well.. Why, no one knows, but it is what it is... that paraphrases what she said. Is she an idiot too?

All I know for a fact is, you wouldn't talk to me this way in person, thus you shouldnt type it on your computer. But if you disagree with this, PM me a location and we'll get together for a chat. Otherwise, drop the name calling BS. Only and idiot resorts to name calling simply because they can't make a valid point.

I won't meet you after school in the parking lot to fight, but if you were standing in front of me saying the same ignorant things you have here....well then I would say that you are an idiot. To your face. Out loud for everyone to hear. Sometimes you just got to call a spade a spade.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. *LOL*

Nah.. you wouldn't.

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Originally posted by Jankinonya:

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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:

There is no scientifically proven answer as to why ONLY HUMANS have the vastly superior levels of intellect and emotional capactiy. None....

You are right. There is none. No why? Because it is not true dimwit.

Where is your scientific proof to back up YOUR claim? Show me a REAL scientific paper saying that humans are vastly superior intellectually and emotionally from all other animals.

Put up or shut up Peter.

How about this...

I'M TALKING YOU YOU THROUG A FREAKIN COMPUTER THAT SENDS THE WORDS I TYPE THROUGH CYBERSPACE AND THEY POP UP ON YOUR COMPUTER...

Is that evidence enough for ya???

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Originally posted by Jennifer:
I guess it all boils down to one thing, if a god was so magnificent that he could create a universe and all life on it, why did he mess up so bad when he created man? That makes NO sense whatsoever.

He didn't mess up when he created man. Man messed up by sinning. God created man with free will and decision making abilities. Man made the wrong decision.

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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:

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Originally posted by Jennifer:
I guess it all boils down to one thing, if a god was so magnificent that he could create a universe and all life on it, why did he mess up so bad when he created man? That makes NO sense whatsoever.

He didn't mess up when he created man. Man messed up by sinning. God created man with free will and decision making abilities. Man made the wrong decision.

Duh. That means he messed up, didn't think it through so to speak.

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Originally posted by Jankinonya:

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Originally posted by buffalo:

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Originally posted by buffalo:
Bowman, don’t fret too much about these atheist candidates and their ejaculations of ignorance.

I have had these candidates under my study for years on here.

First, they are in denial.

Second they self medicate.

Third’ paranoia sets in when the booze don’t work.

Fourth, bi-polar tics of sudden rage, aggression directed at society as a whole resulting in withdrawal and inventions of relations with the imaginary.

Fifth, they are easy targets for the fringe where they huddle in secret like quail with their tails together, big eyed staring out in anticipation for some transfiguration away from their hell guided by the hand of dawkins the lesser.

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Ya know buffy, with all the other atheist on here having you on ignore, I am probably the only one that ever sees these kind of post by you.

I deny nothing that has real evidence.
I do not take medications not prescribed by a dr.
About the only thing I am a bit paranoid about is the safety of my children.
I am very calm, even tempered, and I have no relationship with anyone imaginary (sounds like another group represented on here though)
You have probably read more of Dawkins books and articles than I have. I have no idea what the rest of number 5 is supposed to mean.

Since I am the only one that is still reading your post could you think about not making such blanketed statements about all atheist?

Others may not understand why I call you friend. I can understand why that is. All they see is this kind of thing from you. I wish they knew the same guy I did. Regardless I will keep you.

Again let me make this clear: my intention is not to include jank as co-defendant in any of my claims against atheist candidates. All my posts should be viewed with the axiom ‘not intended for Jank, Ed or Jackie. Amen.

Again let me make this clear: my intention is not to include jank as co-defendant in any of my claims against atheist candidates. All my posts should be viewed with the axiom ‘not intended for Jank, Ed or Jackie. Amen.

P.S. Thanks for your unpopular decision in adversity to keep me.

I understand at some point your patience with me could deteriorate to a point where you would deny me.

I have been abandoned on other forums .

I must insist on truth.

I do not see truth in evidence for evolution or most of what science claims as the origin of the universe.

I consider myself to be impartial as to the evidence. After many years of study of all the disciplines of science and mathematics I have concluded that there are too many fabrications of evidence especially in mathematics to abandon a belief in God the Creator.

I do not have the confidence in uno and his aka’s / slim’s familiarity with science to give the two other than I would a nod to Ned. The both have studied some science but their posts on the subject are superficial and riddled with inaccuracies. Pitiful.

I admit the two of them are loud enough but they are both idiots and represent a threat to society.
The alter egos jimi, jenn and opie are in freekin insane. Lol. When uno is in one of these personalities he needs to be fastened securely and fettered to some large mass away from innocent humans and ammanals
Lest he bolt from the reach of authorities into some mischief.

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Originally posted by Jennifer:

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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:

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Originally posted by Jennifer:
I guess it all boils down to one thing, if a god was so magnificent that he could create a universe and all life on it, why did he mess up so bad when he created man? That makes NO sense whatsoever.

He didn't mess up when he created man. Man messed up by sinning. God created man with free will and decision making abilities. Man made the wrong decision.

Duh. That means he messed up, didn't think it through so to speak.

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Jen,,I think what you're missing is God didn't create the way you think
He should. Some day when things are made known to you, and you have a
different understanding, you'll realize why things are way they God
planned them.


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Uno is right,

You are too stupid to understand or you are just so brain locked that you are a hopeless case. Good luck in life Peter. I have a feeling you are going to need it. Its the weak minded as you say that don't get ahead. You sir are in big trouble. With us at the top and you at the bottom your (and others like you) days can only be numbered. Sad really that you have chosen to be left behind, but at least you have your ancient book of fairy tales to give you comfort. Cling to that, maybe you will not be too trampled as the rest of the world walks right over you to move forward in our human development.

We can't keep trying to help you. You are on your own now. Figure it out or forget about it and rest your primitive little brain. Somethings are just over your head. I understand really I am the same way about quantum physics. Since I can't understand it on a intellectual level I don't try and discuss it with those that do. It would only highlight my ignorance. I prefer to keep reading and learning and listening. Maybe one day I will be able to discuss those things with the big boys...until then I suggest you do as I do. Stop spouting off non sense about something you obviously are not capable of understanding.

Oh yeah I almost forgot again *LOL* (I know how you enjoy those three letters, I like to please the simple minded. I enjoy making others happy. )

I would like to add that this in no way reflects my feelings towards Buffy...Amen. He is special and has earned the right to believe as he sees fit without question from me.

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Jen,,I think what you're missing is God didn't create the way you think
He should. Some day when things are made known to you, and you have a
different understanding, you'll realize why things are way they God
planned them.

Since there is no god I doubt that. I won't know in my lifetime, and it doesn't matter to me. Again you worship something you think created a vast universe and all life, yet a child of 12 could plan it better. If he was so capable of doing that he should have kept at it until he got it right. Let's say you're an artist, you paint a picture and it isn't coming along like you want. Do you leave it and hope it changes, or do you scrap it and start over? Remember now, you have infinite power to make it right, so do you settle or make it perfect?

"Jennifer" has me on ignore so she won't see this, but it isn't LIKE painting a picture. It's more like an ant farm. God made it, WE mess it up.

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Originally posted by O No!:
"Jennifer" has me on ignore so she won't see this, but it isn't LIKE painting a picture. It's more like an ant farm. God made it, WE mess it up.

Ono,

You are much better off if the schizophrenics have you on iggy.

I am iggied by the lot myself.

I find it almost unbearable that the have me on ignore. NOT.

I want so much to be subjected to their ignorant BS. NOT

They are weak and my intellect intimidates them.

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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
Uno.. you HAVE NO ANSWER AS CAN BE PROVEN WITH SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.

So keep being a punk internet tuff guy and call me whatever you like. There is no answer. Jennifer said it as well.. Why, no one knows, but it is what it is... that paraphrases what she said. Is she an idiot too?

i don't even know what you are referring to here. animals sex? morality? what?

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All I know for a fact is, you wouldn't talk to me this way in person,

sure i would. but, to be honest, i am scared to meet someone like you in person. you are unstable and often incoherent. so, no, i think i'll pass on the meeting thing. besides, my mom doesn't let me out of the basement much.

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Originally posted by Jankinonya:
Uno is right,

You are too stupid to understand or you are just so brain locked that you are a hopeless case. Good luck in life Peter. I have a feeling you are going to need it. Its the weak minded as you say that don't get ahead. You sir are in big trouble. With us at the top and you at the bottom your (and others like you) days can only be numbered. Sad really that you have chosen to be left behind, but at least you have your ancient book of fairy tales to give you comfort. Cling to that, maybe you will not be too trampled as the rest of the world walks right over you to move forward in our human development.

We can't keep trying to help you. You are on your own now. Figure it out or forget about it and rest your primitive little brain. Somethings are just over your head. I understand really I am the same way about quantum physics. Since I can't understand it on a intellectual level I don't try and discuss it with those that do. It would only highlight my ignorance. I prefer to keep reading and learning and listening. Maybe one day I will be able to discuss those things with the big boys...until then I suggest you do as I do. Stop spouting off non sense about something you obviously are not capable of understanding.

Oh yeah I almost forgot again *LOL* (I know how you enjoy those three letters, I like to please the simple minded. I enjoy making others happy. )

I would like to add that this in no way reflects my feelings towards Buffy...Amen. He is special and has earned the right to believe as he sees fit without question from me.

awwww. I don't have ya'll to help me... dang.. how will I ever make it!? ROLMMFAO And that sums up the narcisitic BS that "most" atheist always spew with. That's garbage...trust me, I don't need you, or want your input. If you dislike mine, you couldve ignored me long ago, I'd never lose a wink.

Once again, you act like you have dropped some huge revelation on me and that I'm too stupid to grasp it... YOU HAVEN'T!!! All you have done is said.. "That's the way we evolved". ATTENTION ALL KNOWING HYPER-INTELLIGENT ATHEISTS.... THAT'S NOT SCIENTIFIC PROVEN FACT!! There is no scientific study that proves why humans are so vastly superior to animals... that study DOES NOT EXIST. All of the animals in the wild share the fact that they are driven off of primal instincts. Humans have primal urges, however, we regularly override those with common sense, logical progression of thought or emotion. Why? If we do not have souls, WHERE DID THIS COME FROM? I'm giving you ample opportunity to lay out the scientific data that could prove your point...but you don't have it! But yeah.. I ask you a question than you are incapable of answering, so I'M the idiot.... hahahahaha!!!
Whatever helps you sleep at night. Bottom line is, I disagree with you guys and think ya'll's beliefs are wacked out too... difference is, I'm not calling you idiots for your belief system. Calling someone a name on a message board is pathetic, and proves nothing. What, do ya'll hope folks reading say... "Ooooo... that jank person and that uno person called that Peter guy an idiot... it must be true.. he's an idiot so they're right..." LMAO!!! I'm sure that's what ya'll hope. This happens everytime. When my point is made, that ya'll DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWERS, and that ya'll DO NOT HAVE ANY CONCLUSIVE SCIENTIFIC FACTS TO BACK UP MOST OF YOUR ARGUEMENTS.. you once again revert back to... "ah.. you're too dumb to grasp it, you're an idiot.. you're stupid". And you call ME simple minded??? LMAO!!! You can't answer a question with facts needed to prove your belief needs no faith so you revert to the 4th grade tactic of name calling... but I'M simple minded??? That's rich!!!

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Originally posted by Unobtanium:

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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
Uno.. you HAVE NO ANSWER AS CAN BE PROVEN WITH SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.

So keep being a punk internet tuff guy and call me whatever you like. There is no answer. Jennifer said it as well.. Why, no one knows, but it is what it is... that paraphrases what she said. Is she an idiot too?

i don't even know what you are referring to here. animals sex? morality? what?

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All I know for a fact is, you wouldn't talk to me this way in person,

sure i would. but, to be honest, i am scared to meet someone like you in person. you are unstable and often incoherent. so, no, i think i'll pass on the meeting thing. besides, my mom doesn't let me out of the basement much.

sounds about right... and nah.. you wouldnt talk to me that way in person.

Peter,


First, deep cleansing breathes. No need to get so upset, or start screaming.

Ok, we have answered your questions. You just don't like the answers. You are the one making the accusation that humans are "VASTLY SUPERIOR IN INTELLIGENCE" I ask you to prove what you are saying and you can't. You will not find a study just as you yourself pointed out that backs up your assertion. Why then do you keep insisting on evidence that you know is not there?

Me and Uno have both shown you where animals have acted *against* their nature instincts. You have not addressed that at all, other than to basically try and say that is not what you are referring to, and then turn right around and make the same ignorant statements again.

I'm sorry that it upsets you to be told that you are ignorant and act like an idiot. There is a cure for that ya know. Its called learning. Scary stuff for someone like you I know.

Now maybe you should go lay down and try to relax. This much excitement will only confuse you further.

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There is no scientific study that proves why humans are so vastly superior to animals...

there is actually a vast amount of research into this. no, we can't travel back in time yet to witness the evolution of the mind but the evidence for evolved intelligence is very well developed. it is still a relatively new field of study (started around 1985-ish). at rick of citing a wikipedia article, here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E...f_human_intelligence

it has links the the relevant studies that show pretty conclusively that human intelligence evolved as our brain cases grew larger.

Uno,

So you believe that Peter is asking how our intelligence evolved? or is it why we are vastly superior in intelligence to other animals?

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So you believe that Peter is asking how our intelligence evolved? or is it why we are vastly superior in intelligence to other animals?

now that you axed it, i'm not sure.

whatever the case, we do have some pretty good evidence for the hows and whys. one leading theory (with ample evidence) is that intelligence evolved as a result of the challenges of ice ages.

i've got this book in my office that you are welcomed to: The Ascent of Mind, Ice Age Climates and the Evolution of Intelligence "

clipped from the author's website: "Abrupt climate change, not a gradual rise in sea level, is the most threatening aspect of the greenhouse warming: the North Atlantic Current seems to have suddenly turned off its warming and watering of Europe on more than 20 occasions during the last 120,000 years. Though happening as quickly as a drought, these changes last for centuries, even a thousand years in one case. Were that to happen again, 500 million Europeans might want to move elsewhere, quickly. Yet we humans thrive on such challenges: the fickle climate seems to have pumped up our brain fourfold larger than the ape-sized brain -- and that was all walking-upright hominids had, back before the ice ages started 2.5 million years ago. A key aspect of the pump: massive ice sheets create unusual population booms when they melt."

Jank,

Monalisa is always using terms like vast amounts of one thing or another when he doesn’t have a clue.

The one common thing I find in all the courses in psychology I have taken, the many books I have read on human behavior and the many hours of lectures on human behavior I have listened in class and on the internet, is they all immediately desert the human and talk about lower animals.

We are talking about human behavior not animal behavior. It’s no secret ammonals and man have many similar behavior characteristics. FCOL play like you never have seen ammanimals.

You can study human behavior without bringing up common traits with am animals.

What would a study consist of if we visited a planet without amanals?

We would have to say duhh we can’t study you because there no amanals

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So you believe that Peter is asking how our intelligence evolved? or is it why we are vastly superior in intelligence to other animals?

now that you axed it, i'm not sure.

whatever the case, we do have some pretty good evidence for the hows and whys. one leading theory (with ample evidence) is that intelligence evolved as a result of the challenges of ice ages.

i've got this book in my office that you are welcomed to: The Ascent of Mind, Ice Age Climates and the Evolution of Intelligence "

clipped from the author's website: "Abrupt climate change, not a gradual rise in sea level, is the most threatening aspect of the greenhouse warming: the North Atlantic Current seems to have suddenly turned off its warming and watering of Europe on more than 20 occasions during the last 120,000 years. Though happening as quickly as a drought, these changes last for centuries, even a thousand years in one case. Were that to happen again, 500 million Europeans might want to move elsewhere, quickly. Yet we humans thrive on such challenges: the fickle climate seems to have pumped up our brain fourfold larger than the ape-sized brain -- and that was all walking-upright hominids had, back before the ice ages started 2.5 million years ago. A key aspect of the pump: massive ice sheets create unusual population booms when they melt."

That's a real answer, although it doesn't really answer the question, at least you tried. But it still comes down to this. If you follow that "theory", the question still becomes, why did only humans adapt and evolve during those trying times?

But to the question you and Jank had about what I'm asking. You guys cannot, by rule, believe that humans have a soul. That is the driving force behind Biblical truth. Animals do not have souls, humans do. God breathes a soul into each of us. All of the things we agree on about the differences in humans and animals can be easily explained by the existence of a soul which resides in human beings and not in animals. So, that is my question. If it is not a soul, what is it? And if you have that answer, then why did only humans, out of billions of species which have walked the earth, why did only humans aquire these traits? Traits that are definable in Biblical terms as those associated with a sould. If there is no soul, what is it and why only humans?

Are you saying that Fluffy doesn't have a soul and won't be with me in heaven? Oh My God!!!! You Bastard!!!

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God breathes a soul into each of us.

interesting scientific hypothesis, peter.

so what happens with a maternal twin, peter? does god split the soul in two? how about siamese twins? do they share one soul or each have one?

what happens when you surgically separate siamese twins?

what organ holds the soul or what part of the body does it inhabit? what is it made of? as far as we know, there are only 4 possibilities of energy in this universe: gravity, the strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force and electromagnetic radiation. which of these forces are soul's made of?

you speak as if you are very educated on the subject of souls so, please, educate us.

Not trying to get in the middle of Peter and Unob's discussion, but besides the ice age, or probably in conjunction with the ice age, I believe man's intelligence was boosted by language. Of course this is not a new idea. Remember in the book 1984, the idea that if you take certain words out of the language, the mind will not be able to think of the concept?

Well, there was an interesting report on the radio this morning indicating that not only ideas, but numbers, are dependent on language.

http://www.npr.org/2011/02/09/...anding-large-numbers


There is evidence that apes, to some extent, and dolphins even more so, are capable of understanding language - not just words, but sentences. Although it hasn't been proven that dolphins use a language of their own (yet), it has been proven that they can LEARN language.

http://www.dolphin-institute.o.../animal_language.htm

So far though, it seems it is only humans who have a rich and complex language, capable of expressing not only facts about the world around us, but also abstract ideas.

Oh yeah, don't forget to tune in to Nova, tonight on PBS. It is a program about "smartness", dealing with computers, substances(!), and animals - including dolphins.

fascinating stuff, ono. there was also this recent news bit on border collies: http://www.newscientist.com/ar...gest-vocabulary.html

synopsis: this particular dog has the same understanding of words as a 3 year old human.

another astoundingly fascinating article on animals intelligence is here. again, borer collies are mentioned but other animals were studies, too:

http://ngm.nationalgeographic....rginia-morell-text/4


and,lastly, a cool video of a common crow fashioning a tool to accomplish a complex task:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbwRHIuXqMU

lots of other amazing crow videos in that link as well.

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Originally posted by Unobtanium:

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God breathes a soul into each of us.

interesting scientific hypothesis, peter.

so what happens with a maternal twin, peter? does god split the soul in two? how about siamese twins? do they share one soul or each have one?

what happens when you surgically separate siamese twins?

what organ holds the soul or what part of the body does it inhabit? what is it made of? as far as we know, there are only 4 possibilities of energy in this universe: gravity, the strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force and electromagnetic radiation. which of these forces are soul's made of?

you speak as if you are very educated on the subject of souls so, please, educate us.

Why dodge the question I asked you? I've stated many times that I have no problem admitting my faith in God. As a scientist, or someone who trusts in science, to mark off creation as a possible origin, you'd have to have evidence to back up some other PROVEN FACT. Otherwise, you fall into a faith based belief. I admit my faith in God, and the Bible as His words to us. Thus, I believe in a soul residing in each of us as human beings.
I'm asking you, if I am wrong, what is that "thing" that makes us so different from animals? I believe it is a soul..you cannot believe that by rules of atheism. So, what is it? where did it come from? And why did ONLY HUMANS....aquire it?

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Why dodge the question I asked you? I've stated many times that I have no problem admitting my faith in God. As a scientist, or someone who trusts in science, to mark off creation as a possible origin, you'd have to have evidence to back up some other PROVEN FACT. Otherwise, you fall into a faith based belief. I admit my faith in God, and the Bible as His words to us. Thus, I believe in a soul residing in each of us as human beings.
I'm asking you, if I am wrong, what is that "thing" that makes us so different from animals? I believe it is a soul..you cannot believe that by rules of atheism. So, what is it? where did it come from? And why did ONLY HUMANS....aquire it?

Why do you keep repeating questions after you've gotten the answer? I've been reading your posts, watching you get answers, but you ask the same things over and over. What part of the answers are you having a problem with? You're putting forth your opinions as facts. Opinions peter, remember everyone has them?

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but besides the ice age, or probably in conjunction with the ice age, I believe man's intelligence was boosted by language.

hi ono, the fact is that it was likely a combination of a perfect storm of conditions that led the a relatively rapid increase in our definiotion of intelligence over the course of a few scant million years.

a likely scenario is that our ape ancestos likely used tools just as apes use them today. that led to the ability to carve stone into sharp implements which allowed for vastly increased hunting efficiency. sometime around that same time, fire was discovered. some ape-like creature dropped a piece of meat into the fire and deliciousness ensued. fire allowed us to stay warm during the ice ages and caused us to come up with imaginative ways to survive. only the people who were smart enough to survive lived to be old enough to reproduce resulting in smarter and smarter being.

cooking meat allowed for a highly improved ability to absorb protein and store calories. the brain requires enormous amounts of protein compared to the other organs. with plentiful protein, we suddenly had leisure time to reflect and improve our place in life.

the cranium had to grow to accommodate the rapidly increasing cerebrum. language evolved and, a few million years later, here were are pushing electrons around in order to communicate.

but peter says we were just zapped that way. that seems to be such a slap in the face of our ancestors who sacrificed so much to get us where we are today.