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The Deepster wreote:

" The days of any respect for your superstition are over, just as the respect for Zeus and Wotan are gone.  The reasons are the same.  All the ancient gods have demonstrated their nonexistence, including yours."

 

Ah Deep, still missing the obvious.

 

What you seem to miss, no what you refuse to acknowledge, is that the concept is God is EVOLVING.  Yes Zeus and Wotan are gone.  So is Nog, God of fire.  But what you will not admit to yourself is that these concepts of God were REPLACED with a new and better understanding of God.

 

And while you are indeed correct that even the modern concept of God is flawed, you are, apparently blind to the fact that what is really happening is that people like you, and your buddy Hitchens, are PUSHING the concept of God forward.  In fact you and yours are doing to religion an invaluable service.  You are forcing religion to grow up.  By exposing the gross flaws of the named religions of the world people like you are forcing religion to progress, to grow and to adapt.  You may think you are destroying religion, but instead you are helping it.  And I thank you.

 

Today religion is under siege.  And rightfully so.  For religion should not be allowed to keep so much of the ugliness which has perverted it from time immemorial.  Ugly concepts like God choosing a race above all others, killing people he does not like, unleashing plagues and insects upon the evil, and giving some poor dude boils just to win a bet with the devil… these primitive notions of what God is have no place in a world which is flying into the future at a breakneck pace, and now, more than ever before needs religion, real religion, to moderate and humanize the growth of the world.

 

So good on you Deep, and all you other fighting atheists.  Keep pushing religion.  Expose the frauds within it.  You are doing the world a service which you can not, no you will not realize.

Originally Posted by Extra-260:

It semms that one of the Hitchens boys had enough sense to recover himself from the error of his ways.

 

 For those of you who think i am too hard on the atheists in this thread, read the last line of his article.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/wor...ns-Journey-to-Faith/

 

 

You think you're "hard" on atheists. We're use to jerks like you, you don't bother us at all. 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by Extra-260:

It semms that one of the Hitchens boys had enough sense to recover himself from the error of his ways.

 

 For those of you who think i am too hard on the atheists in this thread, read the last line of his article.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/wor...ns-Journey-to-Faith/

 

 

You think you're "hard" on atheists. We're use to jerks like you, you don't bother us at all. And there is nothing at all in that article that is earth shaking or that we haven't heard declared before by christians. What extra, do you think being an atheist automatically means the entire family changes?  

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by Extra-260:

It semms that one of the Hitchens boys had enough sense to recover himself from the error of his ways.

 

 For those of you who think i am too hard on the atheists in this thread, read the last line of his article.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/wor...ns-Journey-to-Faith/

 

 

You think you're "hard" on atheists. We're use to jerks like you, you don't bother us at all. And there is nothing at all in that article that is earth shaking or that we haven't heard declared before by christians. What extra, do you think being an atheist automatically means the entire family changes?  


Well, well , well, the long knives come out for someone who hasen't been "bothered at all". If that were indeed the case, you would have no need to call me names.

 Hell is real, and God's judgement is sure.

 Extra says:

 "Hell is real, and God's judgement is sure."

 

He must think he's God then, because HE is the one judging people.

 

I don't know WHY you can't get it through your head, Extra, that God does NOT like fools meddling with His plan. And He certainly doesn't like ANYONE who will KNOWINGLY push people AWAY from Him. That is exactly what you are doing every time you threaten people with Hell.

 

And if Jen calls you a name, it isn't any worse than the names you called Semi. As a matter of fact, Jen DIDN'T call you a NAME, she just stated the truth about what you have proven yourself to be!

Originally Posted by O No!:

 Extra says:

 "Hell is real, and God's judgement is sure."

 

He must think he's God then, because HE is the one judging people.

 

I don't know WHY you can't get it through your head, Extra, that God does NOT like fools meddling with His plan. And He certainly doesn't like ANYONE who will KNOWINGLY push people AWAY from Him. That is exactly what you are doing every time you threaten people with Hell.

 

And if Jen calls you a name, it isn't any worse than the names you called Semi. As a matter of fact, Jen DIDN'T call you a NAME, she just stated the truth about what you have proven yourself to be!

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 I see why you get along with semi so well. We have the atheist/backslidden/weak as water trio here.

 Ohno, that's why God calls men to preach and nor women, they just don't have the guts for it.

For the weak as water "Christians" like Oh'no.

 Galatians 1:10 "For is I seek to please men, I should cease to be the servant of God".

 

 Unlike Oh'no, I really am not concerned whether or not people like me. People who LOVE the TRUTH, will love those who preach and stand for the truth.

 

Ephesians 6:6 "not with eye service as menpleasers; but as the servant of God"

 

Here we see the Apostle paul  points us to the word "menpleaser". This is a negative connotation applied to those whose motives are to be accepted of men, without regard to whether or not it's pleasing to God.

 

 Those who try to cuddle up to the world and gain acceptace of the world are not of God, and are not doing God's will.

James 4:4 " Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God".

 

Ephesians 4:29-32

 29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 32 Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.

 

Extra, I have no doubts or fears about my relationship with the Lord, even if a slightly (?) off kilter woman hater such as yourself should try to judge me. Not your job, pal. But I'd like to ask you, how in the world do you think you can share God's word and, through Him, bring people to Christ if you have already condemned them? Kind of like giving the final exam at the beginning of September, don't you think?

 

According to you, if someone doesn't know the Lord right now, this minute, they never WILL, and are going to Hell. I prefer to believe that there is a possibility that every person on the planet can come to know God. And I treat them accordingly. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind OR my heart, that my way of dealing with people is much more pleasing to Him than yours.

 

 

Originally Posted by O No!:

Ephesians 4:29-32

 29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 32 Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.

 

Extra, I have no doubts or fears about my relationship with the Lord, even if a slightly (?) off kilter woman hater such as yourself should try to judge me. Not your job, pal. But I'd like to ask you, how in the world do you think you can share God's word and, through Him, bring people to Christ if you have already condemned them? Kind of like giving the final exam at the beginning of September, don't you think?

 

 Once again, you let your emotion and not your rationale rule the day. God's word condemns them, i am just the messenger. The Apostle Paul: "O full of all subtility and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord"? Acts 13:10

 Semi does exactly what the person in Acts 13 did that provoked Pauls words. And now you do as well.

 Peter: "For I percieve that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity. Thy heart is not right in the sight of God". Acts 8:20-23

 Want more?

 

 

According to you, if someone doesn't know the Lord right now, this minute, they never WILL, and are going to Hell. I prefer to believe that there is a possibility that every person on the planet can come to know God. And I treat them accordingly. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind OR my heart, that my way of dealing with people is much more pleasing to Him than yours.

 

 Wrong again. I have repeatedly told Semi to repent, that means she has an opportuniy to save herself.

 

Extra, I would have to care about you for your opinion to mean something to me or for it to hurt me in any way. You sound like a very bitter person & that's very sad.

 

I tell you this because you imply you're a Christian but it doesn't come across in the way you treat/talk to others. Jesus said the first thing one can do to be successful in getting along with others is to guard your thoughts. Specifically, you need to be careful about making judgments of other people.

 

Discernment is a helpful skill & a positive contribution for a Christian. Good judgment is a valuable quality. But some people miss the distinction between discernment & condemnation.

 

You, like Bill, are one of those people that is always searching for someone’s faults. You focus on their weaknesses, intentionally looking for problems instead of solutions. You, like Bill, do not have the gift of discernment, or good judgment. You, like Bill, are all about condemnation, the kind of judgment that Jesus says does not belong in the life of a Christian.

 

There’s two kinds of judgment, something you & Bill could learn from.

Condemning Judgment vs. Discerning Judgment,

Quick vs. Careful, 

Focused on Others’ Faults vs. Examining Self,  Gossip/Assumptions/Appearances vs. Benefit of Doubt/Observations /Questions,

Legalistic vs. Gracious, 

Motives vs. Actions.

 

BTW, are you related to Bill? Or possibly believe the garbage he preaches?

 

Originally Posted by Extra-260:

I have repeatedly told Semi to repent, that means she has an opportuniy to save herself.

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You have???   Honestly, why should I take any advice you offer? I don't like you very much...you're mean.

 

BTW, Matthew 7:1-2 says --- Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

 

If that’s true, & Matthew wasn’t just blowing hot air, you are in for some crucial judgment.

 

 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Extra-260:

I have repeatedly told Semi to repent, that means she has an opportuniy to save herself.

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You have???   Honestly, why should I take any advice you offer? I don't like you very much...you're mean.

 

BTW, Matthew 7:1-2 says --- Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

 

If that’s true, & Matthew wasn’t just blowing hot air, you are in for some crucial judgment.

 

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 And so now your judging. So you now stand condemned under the same condemnation in which you condemned me. 

 

Originally Posted by O No!:

 Extra says:

 "Hell is real, and God's judgement is sure."

He must think he's God then, because HE is the one judging people.

I don't know WHY you can't get it through your head, Extra, that God does NOT like fools meddling with His plan. And He certainly doesn't like ANYONE who will KNOWINGLY push people AWAY from Him. That is exactly what you are doing every time you threaten people with Hell.

And if Jen calls you a name, it isn't any worse than the names you called Semi. As a matter of fact, Jen DIDN'T call you a NAME, she just stated the truth about what you have proven yourself to be!

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Originally Posted by O No!:

Ephesians 4:29-32

 29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 32 Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.

 

Extra, I have no doubts or fears about my relationship with the Lord, even if a slightly (?) off kilter woman hater such as yourself should try to judge me. Not your job, pal. But I'd like to ask you, how in the world do you think you can share God's word and, through Him, bring people to Christ if you have already condemned them? Kind of like giving the final exam at the beginning of September, don't you think?

 

According to you, if someone doesn't know the Lord right now, this minute, they never WILL, and are going to Hell. I prefer to believe that there is a possibility that every person on the planet can come to know God. And I treat them accordingly. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind OR my heart, that my way of dealing with people is much more pleasing to Him than yours.

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You're on a roll, girlfriend. I love it!!!

 

 
Originally Posted by Extra-260:

I have repeatedly told Semi to repent, that means she has an opportuniy to save herself.

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Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

You have???   Honestly, why should I take any advice you offer? I don't like you very much...you're mean.

BTW, Matthew 7:1-2 says --- Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

If that’s true, & Matthew wasn’t just blowing hot air, you are in for some crucial judgment.

 

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Originally Posted by Extra-260:

And so now your judging. So you now stand condemned under the same condemnation in which you condemned me. 

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Not at all......I'm not a Christian, & don't claim to be. It wouldn't apply to me. You really need to clean the dust off that Bible & study it.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Extra, I would have to care about you for your opinion to mean something to me or for it to hurt me in any way. You sound like a very bitter person & that's very sad.

 

I tell you this because you imply you're a Christian but it doesn't come across in the way you treat/talk to others. Jesus said the first thing one can do to be successful in getting along with others is to guard your thoughts. Specifically, you need to be careful about making judgments of other people.

 

Discernment is a helpful skill & a positive contribution for a Christian. Good judgment is a valuable quality. But some people miss the distinction between discernment & condemnation.

 

You, like Bill, are one of those people that is always searching for someone’s faults. You focus on their weaknesses, intentionally looking for problems instead of solutions. You, like Bill, do not have the gift of discernment, or good judgment. You, like Bill, are all about condemnation, the kind of judgment that Jesus says does not belong in the life of a Christian.

 

There’s two kinds of judgment, something you & Bill could learn from.

Condemning Judgment vs. Discerning Judgment,

Quick vs. Careful, 

Focused on Others’ Faults vs. Examining Self,  Gossip/Assumptions/Appearances vs. Benefit of Doubt/Observations /Questions,

Legalistic vs. Gracious, 

Motives vs. Actions.

 

BTW, are you related to Bill? Or possibly believe the garbage he preaches?

 

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 So Semi,

 You are not a Christian and your not an atheist. So just what are you? Why do you come to the religion forum? Your only interest here is to demean, attack and ridicule those who try to teach the truth. Your sole purpose here is to turn people away from the faith. If there is a God, (And there is) You have set yourself up as his enemy. You would be better off leaving the forum and living your life ignorant than to come in here and be exposed to the truth. "For it is better for them to not have known the way of the truth than to turn from the Holy commandment delivered unto them".

 

 It is clear, your only purpose to come to these forums is to vent your rage toward God and his people, and you love it.

 "Live and death are in the power of the tongue; and they that love it will eat the fruit thereof". proverbs 18:21

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Originally Posted by O No!:

 Extra says:

 "Hell is real, and God's judgement is sure."

He must think he's God then, because HE is the one judging people.

I don't know WHY you can't get it through your head, Extra, that God does NOT like fools meddling with His plan. And He certainly doesn't like ANYONE who will KNOWINGLY push people AWAY from Him. That is exactly what you are doing every time you threaten people with Hell.

And if Jen calls you a name, it isn't any worse than the names you called Semi. As a matter of fact, Jen DIDN'T call you a NAME, she just stated the truth about what you have proven yourself to be!

______________________

Originally Posted by O No!:

Ephesians 4:29-32

 29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 32 Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.

 

Extra, I have no doubts or fears about my relationship with the Lord, even if a slightly (?) off kilter woman hater such as yourself should try to judge me. Not your job, pal. But I'd like to ask you, how in the world do you think you can share God's word and, through Him, bring people to Christ if you have already condemned them? Kind of like giving the final exam at the beginning of September, don't you think?

 

According to you, if someone doesn't know the Lord right now, this minute, they never WILL, and are going to Hell. I prefer to believe that there is a possibility that every person on the planet can come to know God. And I treat them accordingly. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind OR my heart, that my way of dealing with people is much more pleasing to Him than yours.

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You're on a roll, girlfriend. I love it!!!

 


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 And you are a shame. You claim the name of Christ and blaspheme his people. No, your heart is not right either, you are no different from Semi, you are full of bitterness as well. Birds of a feather flock together.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
 
Originally Posted by Extra-260:

I have repeatedly told Semi to repent, that means she has an opportuniy to save herself.

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Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

You have???   Honestly, why should I take any advice you offer? I don't like you very much...you're mean.

BTW, Matthew 7:1-2 says --- Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

If that’s true, & Matthew wasn’t just blowing hot air, you are in for some crucial judgment.

 

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Originally Posted by Extra-260:

And so now your judging. So you now stand condemned under the same condemnation in which you condemned me. 

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Not at all......I'm not a Christian, & don't claim to be. It wouldn't apply to me. You really need to clean the dust off that Bible & study it.


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 What a hypocrite!!!!!! You use the Bible to condemn others then claim you are not under it's jurisdiction!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Extra-260:

What a hypocrite!!!!!! You use the Bible to condemn others then claim you are not under it's jurisdiction!!!!!!!

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Hypocrite?? So a person can't quote scripture unless they're a Christian? You are judging me so I gave you a scripture that speaks against judging & that makes me a hypocrite? That's rich!

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Originally Posted by Extra-260:

What a hypocrite!!!!!! You use the Bible to condemn others then claim you are not under it's jurisdiction!!!!!!!

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Hypocrite?? So a person can't quote scripture unless they're a Christian? You are judging me so I gave you a scripture that speaks against judging & that makes me a hypocrite? That's rich!

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 Ha haha your not as smart as you think you are. You stepped in it with that one, spoiled little girl.

One thing can be counted on with Christians and that is we are just as fallible as anyone else and we all are subject to fallacies and mistakes in life each day and being judgmental is sadly but one of, in my opinion those.  As Christians though we should challenge ourselves to live our daily lives as to mimic and mirror Christ as close as we can.  If that is the case then we should strive to analyze Christ relationships, His actions and see if we conform to that example when it comes to interacting with people (Christians and non-Christians alike).


Some of the questions we should ask is just whom did Christ condemn and why did He issue the condemnations?  How did Christ react to sinners or those whom were considered sinners?  If we are to be the light for the world then our actions, as representatives of Christ, are thus applied to Christ.  The question then is regarding judgments.  Judgment is something that everyone will face and each of us makes judgments each day for that is a function of life.  The real challenge is to judge ourselves and our own actions rather than those of others for when we place ourselves in a position of judging others we unknowingly come across as being superior or more virtuous and I do not believe that is what Christ wants us to represent or be.  Scriptures tell us that man/woman will be judged one day but we should always be aware of how are actions are perceived.  


Which is more important or weighty in a Christian's life sharing Christ and revealing Christ unto others or pronouncing judgment upon another?  When we pass judgment are we not also doing so based upon our own perceptions and interpretation of Scripture?   If that is the case then our judgments are subject to error unless one is claiming perfection and infallibility.  


I realize that there are many various and varied opinions about how people relate to others on the forum and this criticism is nothing new for the Apostle Paul dealt with the same thing.  What we, as Christians, should consider is what is more important when it comes to doing the Will of God and what is more important for the good of Christ.  I think the following Scripture says is as well as anyone could.


 

1 Corinthians 9:19-23 (NLT)
{19} Even though I am a free man with no master, I have become a slave to all people to bring many to Christ.
{20} When I was with the Jews, I lived like a Jew to bring the Jews to Christ. When I was with those who follow the Jewish law, I too lived under that law. Even though I am not subject to the law, I did this so I could bring to Christ those who are under the law.
{21} When I am with the Gentiles who do not follow the Jewish law, I too live apart from that law so I can bring them to Christ. But I do not ignore the law of God; I obey the law of Christ.
{22} When I am with those who are weak, I share their weakness, for I want to bring the weak to Christ. Yes, I try to find common ground with everyone, doing everything I can to save some.
{23} I do everything to spread the Good News and share in its blessings.

As Christians, I believe, our concern should be on representing Christ to those who know not Christ and demonstrating the attributes that allow God's Holy Spirit to work through us to bring people to Christ and not push them away by throwing up defensive walls.  Whatever our reasons behind our actions and what we post, as Christians, should it not be for the building up of the Kingdom?  If so then answering the questions of just how Christ interacted with those with needs and then attempting to duplicate that I would suggest should be our goal.  Is that best achieved by standing in judgment of others or holding others to abide by our own personal interpretations of rules and laws?  If so we risk presenting a Savior that is more a taskmaster enforcing commands and rules rather than a Savior that meets needs and answers life's questions.  Whatever we we choose to represent Christ either conforms to Christ own Earthly ministry or conflicts with it.  Each Christian should judge their own actions and their own self first and let their actions serve only the goal of winning others to Christ.


As Christians, I believe, our concern should be on representing Christ to those who know not Christ and demonstrating the attributes that allow God's Holy Spirit to work through us to bring people to Christ and not push them away by throwing up defensive walls.  Whatever our reasons behind our actions and what we post, as Christians, should it not be for the building up of the Kingdom?  If so then answering the questions of just how Christ interacted with those with needs and then attempting to duplicate that I would suggest should be our goal.  Is that best achieved by standing in judgment of others or holding others to abide by our own personal interpretations of rules and laws?  If so we risk presenting a Savior that is more a taskmaster enforcing commands and rules rather than a Savior that meets needs and answers life's questions.  Whatever we we choose to represent Christ either conforms to Christ own Earthly ministry or conflicts with it.  Each Christian should judge their own actions and their own self first and let their actions serve only the goal of winning others to Christ.

 

 

 GBRK,

 I don't have a problem with anything you said in your post. Your post doesn't cover the situation of these forums. There is a handfuil of people here, Semi is the chief, who has no objectivity and is not willing consider anything presented. If it's orthodox belief she ridicules and blasphemes it and attacks those who present it.  The Apostles dealt with people like this, and it was never in love. Paul called the sorcerer a child of the devil in Acts . 13:10. In the same chapter in verses 45-46 Pauls attitude toward the Jews who tried to interfere with his preaching was less than loving.

 The Apostle John was once asked to recognize Marcion as an apostle, he said " I recognize, I recognize the son of Satan". Later, when in a bathouse, he found out Marcion was inside, he ran out pulling out his disciples with him for fear the bathouse would fall in. He also had a few chioce words for him then.

 There is a fundamental difference in dealing with people who are intellectually honest or seeking, with them I have all patience and love. But those who take opposing positions just because they get a kick out of stirring up trouble or because they hate the people of God, i am in no way forced to deal with them other than the same way the Apostles did the same kind of people.

 

 Last, when Paul was brought before the High Priest and commanded to be slapped, he said " God shall smite the thou whited wall".

 Consider these things.

Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

From extra: Ohno, that's why God calls men to preach and nor women, they just don't have the guts for it.

 
Care to quote chapter and verse on that or did you get a direct revelation from God? My Bible indicates this is due to woman's role in the fall.

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 That would be correct Firence. "For the woman was not first formed, but the man" and "Adam was not decieved, but the woman being decieved was in the transgression". 1 Timothy 2:14

 The simple truth is about deception. The woman was decieved by the serpent, Adam's sin was willful neglect of the commandment. One sinned by choice, the other by deception. At the heart of the sin of Eve is that she was "the weaker vessel".  Satan did not attack him, he attacked her and Adam loved his wife enough to yeild to her temptation.

 The stated reason is then that women are far more likely to be decieved spiritually than men. Can it be because they are the "weaker vessel"?

 The evidence is plethora, almost all leaders of spiritual sects today are female.

Originally Posted by Extra-260:

So Semi,

 You are not a Christian and your not an atheist. So just what are you? Why do you come to the religion forum? Your only interest here is to demean, attack and ridicule those who try to teach the truth. Your sole purpose here is to turn people away from the faith. If there is a God, (And there is) You have set yourself up as his enemy. You would be better off leaving the forum and living your life ignorant than to come in here and be exposed to the truth. "For it is better for them to not have known the way of the truth than to turn from the Holy commandment delivered unto them".

 It is clear, your only purpose to come to these forums is to vent your rage toward God and his people, and you love it.

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Originally Posted by Extra-260:

Semi is the chief, who has no objectivity and is not willing consider anything presented. If it's orthodox belief she ridicules and blasphemes it and attacks those who present it.  The Apostles dealt with people like this, and it was never in love. Paul called the sorcerer a child of the devil in Acts .

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I have a little advice for you, Extra, not that you would ever consider taking it. You could learn a lot about being a Christian if you would read, & take to heart the words of gbrk & O No. I like them, they’re good people.

 

There’s many people on this forum that I truly like, both Christian & Atheist. I don’t judge people by what they believe/don’t believe. What I do judge, is how a person treats others. It doesn’t matter to me if a Christian judges me, what does bother me is how they go about it. You can judge with love/compassion or you can do it with hate in your heart. I’ve never seen love/compassion out of you, Bill, & Gingee.

 

You say the word Atheist as though it's something dirty. I’ve seen more love/compassion out of Atheist than you three. I don’t need you or your cohorts to tell me what the Bible says, I already know it. What I do with that knowledge is my business.

Why am I here on this forum? To learn, I never know when someone might say something that will cause a light bulb to go off in my head. But it certainly won’t be from you, Bill or Gingee.

 

You know what I think your problem is with me? You’re secretly in love with me.

You say all this stuff about me because you're trying to convince yourself that you hate me but you truly don’t.  Unrequited love can be hell.  Don't feed the monster by attacking me, find a hobby to get me out of your mind.

I’m outta here, I got a room to paint. And no, you can’t help. 

A couple of things about this discussion are starting to become clear to me. First, it is obvious that Extra hates women. If not, he would be attacking the male atheists on the board, rather than the lone female agnostic. I also wonder if behind the screen name lurks someone who has met Semi in real life and has a bone to pick with her.

 

The other thing, which I actually already knew, is that he won't listen to anyone because his mind is already made up. I knew that in politics, when he refused to believe any of the factual articles, some including eyewitness interviews given on the same day that the 9/11 attacks took place, and instead, kept posting weird articles from looney fringe sites that claim it was all a conspiracy by our own government.

 

And now he has done the same thing here in the religion forum. How ANYONE could read Gbrk's post and NOT understand that he had addressed this topic perfectly, is beyond me. But Extra thinks none of it applies to him.

 

It is clear to me that Extra has possibly clinical paranoia. There is evidence in his posts that he does not have a firm grip on reality. I say this, not to be mean, but to point out what I'm sure others must be thinking.

 

Extra, I pray for everyone on this forum, but I will say some "extra" (LOL) prayers for you. As Christians, we should not be fighting. I know you don't believe that right now, but if you read scripture you will see how we are told to treat one another. So I will pray that God opens your eyes and brings you peace.

You know what I think your problem is with me? You’re secretly in love with me.

You say all this stuff about me because you're trying to convince yourself that you hate me but you truly don’t.  Unrequited love can be hell.  Don't feed the monster by attacking me, find a hobby to get me out of your mind.

I’m outta here, I got a room to paint. And no, you can’t help.

 

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 Don't flatter yourself. Your just as self delusional as you are hateful.

Extra, I pray for everyone on this forum, but I will say some "extra" (LOL) prayers for you. As Christians, we should not be fighting. I know you don't believe that right now, but if you read scripture you will see how we are told to treat one another. So I will pray that God opens your eyes and brings you peace.

 

 I do believe you invited yourself to this party.  it was the attacks by Semi, and then you trying to defend her that got us where we are. So when you pray, pray for the wisdom to keep your mouth shut sometimes.

Extra, you misunderstand. I find everything you say humorous, in a sad way. I am not bothered by what you say except for what it reveals about YOU. Although your rantings are good for a chuckle, as a Christian, nay, as a decent human being, I feel sorry for you. I am serious that I pray for you. You need guidance from the Holy Spirit so you can release your anger and hatred. And I think it's very possible that you need medication to help with all of your, shall we say, "other problems"?

Originally Posted by O No!:

Extra, you misunderstand. I find everything you say humorous, in a sad way. I am not bothered by what you say except for what it reveals about YOU. Although your rantings are good for a chuckle, as a Christian, nay, as a decent human being, I feel sorry for you. I am serious that I pray for you. You need guidance from the Holy Spirit so you can release your anger and hatred. And I think it's very possible that you need medication to help with all of your, shall we say, "other problems"?

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 You know it's against the law to practice medicine without a liscense? Oh, wait, your not an expert in medicine. Oh yes, it's the old, "if you don't agree with me your crazy" defense. Seen it before. You were and are wrong. You condemn the just and justify the wicked, what else can be said for you?

Originally Posted by Extra-260:
Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

From extra: Ohno, that's why God calls men to preach and nor women, they just don't have the guts for it.

 
Care to quote chapter and verse on that or did you get a direct revelation from God? My Bible indicates this is due to woman's role in the fall.

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 That would be correct Firence. "For the woman was not first formed, but the man" and "Adam was not decieved, but the woman being decieved was in the transgression". 1 Timothy 2:14

 The simple truth is about deception. The woman was decieved by the serpent, Adam's sin was willful neglect of the commandment. One sinned by choice, the other by deception. At the heart of the sin of Eve is that she was "the weaker vessel".  Satan did not attack him, he attacked her and Adam loved his wife enough to yeild to her temptation.

 The stated reason is then that women are far more likely to be decieved spiritually than men. Can it be because they are the "weaker vessel"?

 The evidence is plethora, almost all leaders of spiritual sects today are female.

If we are to consider the scope of eternity and the next life, which we really have not the capability to do, we can take a few hints from Scripture about what we can expect.  For one as it is with God there is no color, no nationality and no sex to the inner soul/spirit.  Just as with my last post, in this thread, I think that God wants us to concentrate on the important things in life and with respect to our own souls/spirit.  I have heard many make the case regarding women keying in on the verse about the women remaining silent in the Church but most that use that verse out of the contextual setting it was in.  Regarding God's use of Women I fully believe that God can and does use various women as directed by His Holy Spirit.  

 

It should be on our minds that we Gentiles had salvation opened unto us because of God's chosen people's rejection.  If those closest to Christ were examined closely I dare say, an opinion mind you, that the women were far more personally devoted and invested in Christ as Savior.  Remember it was Mary who was there to anoint the Lord with her perfume yet it was the Apostles, the men, who chastised her for doing so.  From Christ reply He took the woman's position and from His explanation to them we see she was extremely wise as to who Christ was and what his destiny was to be.  

 

Then again in John 4:3 Jesus has a conversation with the Samaritan woman.  Here there was not only a woman but a Samaritan woman yet Christ used her to reach others.  God often uses the lowest and the weakest so that His strength is manifested.  I very much believe that God uses women the same way that He uses men.  Each of us have specific gifts of the Holy Spirit all to advance the Kindgom of God and for His Will.  Just as with my last remark in this thread I fully believe it applies as much to this forum as it does in our everyday lives. 

Originally Posted by gbrk:
Originally Posted by Extra-260:
Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

From extra: Ohno, that's why God calls men to preach and nor women, they just don't have the guts for it.

 
Care to quote chapter and verse on that or did you get a direct revelation from God? My Bible indicates this is due to woman's role in the fall.

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 That would be correct Firence. "For the woman was not first formed, but the man" and "Adam was not decieved, but the woman being decieved was in the transgression". 1 Timothy 2:14

 The simple truth is about deception. The woman was decieved by the serpent, Adam's sin was willful neglect of the commandment. One sinned by choice, the other by deception. At the heart of the sin of Eve is that she was "the weaker vessel".  Satan did not attack him, he attacked her and Adam loved his wife enough to yeild to her temptation.

 The stated reason is then that women are far more likely to be decieved spiritually than men. Can it be because they are the "weaker vessel"?

 The evidence is plethora, almost all leaders of spiritual sects today are female.

If we are to consider the scope of eternity and the next life, which we really have not the capability to do, we can take a few hints from Scripture about what we can expect.  For one as it is with God there is no color, no nationality and no sex to the inner soul/spirit.  Just as with my last post, in this thread, I think that God wants us to concentrate on the important things in life and with respect to our own souls/spirit.  I have heard many make the case regarding women keying in on the verse about the women remaining silent in the Church but most that use that verse out of the contextual setting it was in.  Regarding God's use of Women I fully believe that God can and does use various women as directed by His Holy Spirit.  

 

It should be on our minds that we Gentiles had salvation opened unto us because of God's chosen people's rejection.  If those closest to Christ were examined closely I dare say, an opinion mind you, that the women were far more personally devoted and invested in Christ as Savior.  Remember it was Mary who was there to anoint the Lord with her perfume yet it was the Apostles, the men, who chastised her for doing so.  From Christ reply He took the woman's position and from His explanation to them we see she was extremely wise as to who Christ was and what his destiny was to be.  

 

Then again in John 4:3 Jesus has a conversation with the Samaritan woman.  Here there was not only a woman but a Samaritan woman yet Christ used her to reach others.  God often uses the lowest and the weakest so that His strength is manifested.  I very much believe that God uses women the same way that He uses men.  Each of us have specific gifts of the Holy Spirit all to advance the Kindgom of God and for His Will.  Just as with my last remark in this thread I fully believe it applies as much to this forum as it does in our everyday lives. 

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Jimi was wondering if Chaz Bono could now be a preacher.

I told him I didn't know.

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