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Very sad. I debated on whether or not to post this here or in the News section. Since he spent much of his later life debating on religion, I thought it would be best to post it here.

 

http://www.reuters.com/article...dUSTRE7BF0FI20111216

 

He was an intelligent, well spoken debater. Sad loss indeed.

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Originally Posted by Extra-260:

hitchens is the one featured in deeps thread entitled "Ultimate Wickedness". There just isn't much to be said. A man that twisted in his sense of reality to call evil good and good evil is called a "Reprobate mind".

 One thing we kniow for sure, he isn't a non-believer anymore.

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He's not a non-believer or believer now. He's dead. End of story. You can day dream all you want, curl up with your happy thoughts that he's being tortured eternally, but it's not happening. 

Originally Posted by Ronnie P.:

Cancer is a horrible disease and I hope none of us ever have to see a loved one consumed by it.  I remember seeing my uncle who was like a John Wayne character to me reduced to almost nothing.

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Cancer is something I wouldn't wish upon my worse enemy. Sadly, a lot of people have had a loved one consumed by it.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by Extra-260:

hitchens is the one featured in deeps thread entitled "Ultimate Wickedness". There just isn't much to be said. A man that twisted in his sense of reality to call evil good and good evil is called a "Reprobate mind".

 One thing we kniow for sure, he isn't a non-believer anymore.

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He's not a non-believer or believer now. He's dead. End of story. You can day dream all you want, curl up with your happy thoughts that he's being tortured eternally, but it's not happening. 

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 You ain't got a clue as to what's happening.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

 You ain't got a clue as to what's happening.


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LOL! But you do?


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 I would tend to give some credence to those who have been on the other side and came back to tell us about it.

 What do you base your info on?

Originally Posted by Extra-260:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

 You ain't got a clue as to what's happening.


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LOL! But you do?


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 I would tend to give some credence to those who have been on the other side and came back to tell us about it.

 What do you base your info on?

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No one has "been to the other side" and come back. 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by Extra-260:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

 You ain't got a clue as to what's happening.


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LOL! But you do?


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 I would tend to give some credence to those who have been on the other side and came back to tell us about it.

 What do you base your info on?

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No one has "been to the other side" and come back. 

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 So says the skeptic. Everybody is just a liar, the atheist is the only honest person here.


 So says the skeptic. Everybody is just a liar, the atheist is the only honest person here.



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It wouldn't hurt you to be a bit skeptical and stop believing every wild story that you think "proves" your "afterlife" exists. Now I didn't say liar did I? Go back through all the threads on nde and you'll see my stance is that it's people's minds at work. You and all the others will never address the fact that nde are all different depending on the persons religion or beliefs.  Are there people that lie about it? Of course. And people like you eat it up. 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:


 So says the skeptic. Everybody is just a liar, the atheist is the only honest person here.



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It wouldn't hurt you to be a bit skeptical and stop believing every wild story that you think "proves" your "afterlife" exists. Now I didn't say liar did I? Go back through all the threads on nde and you'll see my stance is that it's people's minds at work. You and all the others will never address the fact that nde are all different depending on the persons religion or beliefs.  Are there people that lie about it? Of course. And people like you eat it up. 

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 Got a lady in our church who died and came back. She's certainly of a better character than you.

 The funny thing is you are not objective in anyway on this subject. You just announce that they are either the function of the mind aftyer death or everyone else is a liar. You leave no room whatsoever for the fact that some could be true. YOU are the one with no objectivity.

Got a lady in our church who died and came back. She's certainly of a better character than you.



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What do you know of my character? All you know about me is that I'm an atheist and I think all the silly supernatural trappings that go along with that are crazy.  How do you know she's "of better character"? Because she's a godbot like you? She didn't die and "come back". People don't "come back". Death is death, and if it isn't you better be careful the next time you bury a loved one. I see you still deny that nde vary from religion to religion. I know why though, because that it means that it IS all in a person's mind.

quote:  Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Isn't he the one that Bill Gray was slamming a few months ago?  I've watched a couple of his speeches &  enjoyed listening to him.


Hi Chick,

 

Slamming?  No.  Acknowledging him as one of Deep's atheist heroes?   Yes.   He and Richard Dawkins have been the two most vocal atheists in our current day.

 

It is a tragedy to see anyone die of cancer.  About six months ago, Deep posted that he was suffering from cancer.  And, I would have liked to see him go into remission and possibly a cure.  It has happened before.

 

A Christian Friend, Apologetics Guy, posted the article about his death on Facebook yesterday -- but, with no comment, positive or negative.   And, then later added this comment:

 

When he was first diagnosed, he said: "I'm here as a product of process of evolution, which doesn't make very many exceptions.  And which rates life relatively cheaply."  I wonder if he spoke to his brother, Peter, about spiritual things with different attitude before the end.

 

Another person, Guada, then posted this comment:  "bummer....I mourn for his soul."

 

My comment was:

 

Hi Guada, The article states: "For years, Hitchens had toured the country debating religious figures about his utter disbelief in the existence of a GodHe didn't waver in the face of his inability to treat his disease.  To the very end, whatever the argument joined, Hitchens' voice was an original.  He is survived by his wife, the writer Carol Blue, and three children."

Since we know that he died as an avowed atheist; it is too late to pray for his soul.  However, this may be an appropriate time to pray for the souls of his wife, children, and other family members.  God bless, Bill

 

And, Chick, while I realize you will see this as me being insensitive and slamming him -- but, that is not the case.   My point to Guada is that when a person dies -- his/her spiritual condition is set in concrete.  At that point no amount of prayers can help the deceased.  However, prayers can still be very effective for his surviving family members -- for there is still time for them to see the error of their atheist lifestyle and change directions. 

 

Of course, we do not know if his wife and children are atheists.  This can only be an assumption; but, considering his success in selling his belief -- it is a good assumption.   However, we have to keep in mind that Madelyn Murray O'Hair's son, William, became a strong Christian believer and evangelist/writer -- even though she died an atheist.

 

And, the lady who was the Jane Roe in the Roe v Wade Abortion Decision, became a Christian believer and a strong advocate/activist against abortion.

 

So, even if Hitchens' family members are currently atheists -- there is time for prayer to be effective in bringing them to a belief in God.

 

All that said, I do feel for his family's loss of their husband and father.  I do not wish such a loss on any family.   So, yes, I do join them in mourning their loss.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

quote:   Originally Posted by lexum:

Well it wouldn’t surprise me atall to find out that ole hitch is up there in Heaven with the deer-in-headlights look on his face, forgiven by Jesus to spite the devil.  Jesus is that kind of guy you know.  It ain’t up to me to say.


Hi Lex,

 

But, what does the Bible say about a person who dies still denying God?   Can you think of any Scripture verses which address that situation?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

quote:  Originally Posted by O No!:

I had never even heard of him until I came to this forum, but it's a shame he had to die of cancer. And I pray that his family and friends will find comfort.    And as to his final destination - none of us knows, so I won't speculate.


Hi O No,

 

I suppose I have to ask you the same question I asked Lexum:

 

But, what does the Bible say about a person who dies still denying God?   Can you think of any Scripture verses which address that situation?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

quote:  Originally Posted by Extra-260:
Got a lady in our church who died and came back.

Hi Extra,

 

I can agree that she had a near-death experience and recovered.  However, no one, except Lazarus, the few raised by Jesus and the apostles in the early church, and Jesus Christ Himself -- have died and returned to life.

 

Hebrews 9:27, "And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment."

 

No second chances.  Follow Christ in this life and live eternally with Him -- or deny Him in this life and live eternally out of His presence.

 

Extra, my Friend, I am not trying to argue with you.  However, we, as believers, must make every effort to not mislead anyone -- especially on issues of eternal salvation and eternal life.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:  Originally Posted by O No!:

I had never even heard of him until I came to this forum, but it's a shame he had to die of cancer. And I pray that his family and friends will find comfort.    And as to his final destination - none of us knows, so I won't speculate.


Hi O No,

 

I suppose I have to ask you the same question I asked Lexum:

 

But, what does the Bible say about a person who dies still denying God?   Can you think of any Scripture verses which address that situation?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill


Because none of us knows whether he had a deathbed conversion.

quote:   Originally Posted by O No!:
quote:  Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:  Originally Posted by O No!:

I had never even heard of him until I came to this forum, but it's a shame he had to die of cancer. And I pray that his family and friends will find comfort.    And as to his final destination - none of us knows, so I won't speculate.


Hi O No,

 

I suppose I have to ask you the same question I asked Lexum:

 

But, what does the Bible say about a person who dies still denying God?   Can you think of any Scripture verses which address that situation?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,   Bill

Because none of us knows whether he had a deathbed conversion.

Hi O,

 

That is true.  But, based upon his life of avid atheism -- and based upon what was written in the article about his death; this does not seem likely.   However, as you said -- none of us can know for certain.  At this point, we can only leave him to God.

 

However, as I wrote earlier -- there is still time to pray for the salvation of his family.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Hitchens has only been in Hell for a day and it seems like an eternity for him. Right now he is begging for all he has to be released, but the chains that bind him are the chains of his own making, and by his own choice.

 

 Now, some of you weak as watyer Christians may be offended by this, so be it. It's time we tell the truth and stand on it. People who reject God's Christ are separated from god forever.

 

 People die and go to Hell, all the well wishing for people does them no good if you don't tell them the truth while they live.

 

 "For the preaching of the cross is an offense."

 



 



 



 

At the moment of death, angels sieze the soul of the individual. If you are saved, those angels will convey the spirit to the presence of God. If you are lost, those angels will grab you and thrust you down the dark corridor to Hell. All the writhing, crying, and begging will not help. You cannot reason with these angels, they are in the employ of God and do exactly as he commmands.

 If you want to go to heaven, get right with God. To put it off, to wait, or to neglect all together your eternal condition is to die lost. There are no second chances.

 

 To choose not to choose, is to choose.

Originally Posted by Extra-260:

Hitchens has only been in Hell for a day and it seems like an eternity for him. Right now he is begging for all he has to be released, but the chains that bind him are the chains of his own making, and by his own choice.

 Now, some of you weak as watyer Christians may be offended by this, so be it. It's time we tell the truth and stand on it. People who reject God's Christ are separated from god forever.

 People die and go to Hell, all the well wishing for people does them no good if you don't tell them the truth while they live.

 "For the preaching of the cross is an offense."

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You don't have a clue where Hitchens is. If God exist, do you doubt that He can save anyone in the last seconds of his/her life? Do you doubt that a person can call out to God in the last seconds of his/her life?

Why don't you pick up your Bible & read about judging others?

And the lady in your church who died & came back?

She had a dream, dude, no more, no less.

 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Bill, why do you have to argue/debate with everything anyone says? No one can say anything positive or kind about anything or anyone w/o you coming on here & preaching about it. Good grief! Give Satan a rest!

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 The best time to preach the truth is over a dead body. It is at that moment, people are dragged to the realization of their own mortality. Nay, do not let him rest, now is the time to attack.

 

Originally Posted by Extra-260:

At the moment of death, angels sieze the soul of the individual. If you are lost, those angels will grab you and thrust you down the dark corridor to Hell. All the writhing, crying, and begging will not help. You cannot reason with these angels, they are in the employ of God and do exactly as he commmands.

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Yeah, because He loves us so much.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Extra-260:

Hitchens has only been in Hell for a day and it seems like an eternity for him. Right now he is begging for all he has to be released, but the chains that bind him are the chains of his own making, and by his own choice.

 Now, some of you weak as watyer Christians may be offended by this, so be it. It's time we tell the truth and stand on it. People who reject God's Christ are separated from god forever.

 People die and go to Hell, all the well wishing for people does them no good if you don't tell them the truth while they live.

 "For the preaching of the cross is an offense."

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You don't have a clue where Hitchens is. If God exist, do you doubt that He can save anyone in the last seconds of his/her life? Do you doubt that a person can call out to God in the last seconds of his/her life?

Why don't you pick up your Bible & read about judging others?

And the lady in your church who died & came back?

She had a dream, dude, no more, no less.

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 Unless ye repent, you will likewise perish.

 It is times like this that should humble you, and not bring out your vaunted pride. You have no power in the day of death to retain the spirit. Humble yourself before God does it for you.

 

Hitchens has only been in Hell for a day and it seems like an eternity for him. Right now he is begging for all he has to be released, but the chains that bind him are the chains of his own making, and by his own choice.

 Now, some of you weak as watyer Christians may be offended by this, so be it. It's time we tell the truth and stand on it. People who reject God's Christ are separated from god forever.

 People die and go to Hell, all the well wishing for people does them no good if you don't tell them the truth while they live.

 "For the preaching of the cross is an offense."



Maybe one day you will see how completely idiotic your post was. Sheesh. And this "god" is something you think people should worship?? Sick.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Extra-260:

At the moment of death, angels sieze the soul of the individual. If you are lost, those angels will grab you and thrust you down the dark corridor to Hell. All the writhing, crying, and begging will not help. You cannot reason with these angels, they are in the employ of God and do exactly as he commmands.

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Yeah, because He loves us so much.

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 no it's because he hates sin so much, and when YOU choose to die in sin, that becomes YOUR choice.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Hitchens has only been in Hell for a day and it seems like an eternity for him. Right now he is begging for all he has to be released, but the chains that bind him are the chains of his own making, and by his own choice.

 Now, some of you weak as watyer Christians may be offended by this, so be it. It's time we tell the truth and stand on it. People who reject God's Christ are separated from god forever.

 People die and go to Hell, all the well wishing for people does them no good if you don't tell them the truth while they live.

 "For the preaching of the cross is an offense."



Maybe one day you will see how completely idiotic your post was. Sheesh. And this "god" is something you think people should worship?? Sick.

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 No what is sick, is a weak little mortal like you playing like you are god. He laughs at you.

I think there just might be more deathbed conversions than we realize. I hope there are. I'm thinking that someone like this man, who had cancer and the pain that usually accompanys it, plus the weakness that overcomes the body, might just have called out to God to help him.

 

Remember in the book 1984, the hero and heroine of the book thought their love was the one thing nobody could take from them. But when he was in a cage with rats, he cried out to let HER have the rats. He knew then that they had stolen their love.

 

Fear and pain can make a person say and do things they swore they would never do. So even though Hitchins swore he'd never believe in God, I think it's VERY possible that he had a change of heart. As I said, none of us knows for sure, but I hope so, for his sake.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

 No what is sick, is a weak little mortal like you playing like you are god. He laughs at you.



How am I playing god? He laughs at me? Dude, get a grip.

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 Kick and cry all you want to, it's not your universe and you WON'T have it your way in the end.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Extra-260:

 no it's because he hates sin so much

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If He hates sin so much, he sure hates you right now.

 

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 Semi, I have more respect for the atheists on this board than you. Youn are a spoiled rotten little girl that wants to hate because you can't have evrything your way. Your mama and daddy sure spoiled you. Too bad, your attitude is going end up letting you join hitchens.

 

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