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Sassy,

In one of Wright's rants, he does mention the Tuskegee Experiment. But, he goes one step further and states the subjects were injected with syphilis. The men caught it on their own.

The HIV/AIDS genetics pseudo-theory cited by its adherents ignore that DNA sequencing they cite was unknown until a few years ago.

The path of infection from a male flight attendant (patient Zero) to the general public is well known. AIDS is a disease that results from irresponsible personal choice for 90 percent of the victims. Having unprotected anal intercourse or using unsanitized needles are the main sources of infection in the US. In Africa, substitute mutilating female genitalia and then having unprotected relations with multiple partners for the needles.

Could the US government imagine so many blacks/gays would be so irresponsible? Doubtful!

Now, oneworld, prove you are not responsible for the pedophile attacks in California or the Rejack lookalike killings in London!
Sassy,

Let's see which one of my questions you answered...

1)Where is your proof that the government has not lied about inventing HIV? no answer
2)Where is your proof about the government has not hindered cures for HIV? no answer
3)Are you denying the Tuskeegee experiment?thanks for not denying it happened; and no, I didn't ask you to feel guilty about it!
4)Are you denying historical facts regarding the government and certain police depts placing drugs in certain communities?your denial does not change the fact that it happened - google "police plant drugs in black communities." You will find 17 news articles from credible sources that prove this is indeed true. Please don't make me cut and paste them here for you.
5)Do you deny that God will punish us "for treating our citizens as less than human?"Again, no answer, since you know it to be true
6)Do you deny that God will punish us if "we act like we are God?" and again...
7)Do you deny that most of America does not put their hand over their heart during the National Anthem, but do so during the Pledge?you replied, but not to MY question
8)Do you deny that McCain's/ Hillary's supporters have said 9/11, Katrina, and other horrific events happened because of the sins of America?same thing - no reply to my question b/c you know that McCain's supporters did say these things

I suppose I shouldn't expect real answers, right? It's of no importance any how. You (and I) have our pre-conceived opinions, it's not like I'm going to change yours, or you won't admit it if I do.
Oneworld,

What ones supporters claim is irrelevant to what one believes. Some of Obama's supporters believe 9/11 happened because of the US (Wright for one) and some believe in aliens in saucers. Big whoop!

Some police have planted drugs in several races homes and been punished for it. Individual acts not sanctioned by their departments and no conspiracy.

Sassy said she was not a practicing christian so would not answer your questions on God.

As I am, I also remember claiming to speak for God is something He did not approve of.

Now, prove you are not guilty of mopery.
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Originally posted by Howard Roark:
Sassy,

In one of Wright's rants, he does mention the Tuskegee Experiment. But, he goes one step further and states the subjects were injected with syphilis. The men caught it on their own.

The HIV/AIDS genetics pseudo-theory cited by its adherents ignore that DNA sequencing they cite was unknown until a few years ago.

The path of infection from a male flight attendant (patient Zero) to the general public is well known. AIDS is a disease that results from irresponsible personal choice for 90 percent of the victims. Having unprotected anal intercourse or using unsanitized needles are the main sources of infection in the US. In Africa, substitute mutilating female genitalia and then having unprotected relations with multiple partners for the needles.

Could the US government imagine so many blacks/gays would be so irresponsible? Doubtful!

Now, oneworld, prove you are not responsible for the pedophile attacks in California or the Rejack lookalike killings in London!


Obviously, you don't know anyone that was denied medical treatment, or that was mis-led about the treatment they were supposed to be receiving. If so, you would not make light of the TU experiment.

As for aids, it is widely know that the origin was man made, in the Congo, in an experimental study partly funded by the US government. Your mention of the flight attendant is siginficant, as it was how it got from the Congo to the US.
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Originally posted by Howard Roark:
Oneworld,

What ones supporters claim is irrelevant to what one believes. Some of Obama's supporters believe 9/11 happened because of the US (Wright foe one) and some believe in aliens in saucers. Big whoop!

Some police have planted drugs in several races homes and been punished for it. Individual acts not sanctioned by their departments and no conspiracy.

Now, prove you are not guilty of mopery.


If what one's supporters claim is irrelevent, we would not be having so much discussion about Wright. It's funny how people use that arguement when talking about McCain's supporters, but argue something totally different when speaking of Barack's supporters.

I'm not referring to drugs being planted in one's house. I'm writing of whole communities. Don't discount what happened.
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Originally posted by OneWorld1974:
Sassy,

Let's see which one of my questions you answered...

1)Where is your proof that the government has not lied about inventing HIV? no answerI can no more prove the government has not lied that you can prove they have.
2)Where is your proof about the government has not hindered cures for HIV? no answersee above.
3)Are you denying the Tuskeegee experiment?thanks for not denying it happened; and no, I didn't ask you to feel guilty about it!
4)Are you denying historical facts regarding the government and certain police depts placing drugs in certain communities?your denial does not change the fact that it happened - google "police plant drugs in black communities." You will find 17 news articles from credible sources that prove this is indeed true. Please don't make me cut and paste them here for you.Please do, and make sure they're from credible sources...not some obscure blog.
5)Do you deny that God will punish us "for treating our citizens as less than human?"Again, no answer, since you know it to be trueAs I answered (although you seem to have a hard time understanding) I have no basis to deny that God will punish us. I'm not a practicing Christian.
6)Do you deny that God will punish us if "we act like we are God?" and again...see above, same answer.
7)Do you deny that most of America does not put their hand over their heart during the National Anthem, but do so during the Pledge?you replied, but not to MY questionYes, I deny it.
8)Do you deny that McCain's/ Hillary's supporters have said 9/11, Katrina, and other horrific events happened because of the sins of America?same thing - no reply to my question b/c you know that McCain's supporters did say these thingsProve it. You can't, because it didn't happen.

I suppose I shouldn't expect real answers, right? It's of no importance any how. You (and I) have our pre-conceived opinions, it's not like I'm going to change yours, or you won't admit it if I do.

Have a nice day.
“Obviously, you don't know anyone that was denied medical treatment, or that was mis-led about the treatment they were supposed to be receiving. If so, you would not make light of the TU experiment.

As for aids, it is widely know that the origin was man made, in the Congo, in an experimental study partly funded by the US government. Your mention of the flight attendant is siginficant, as it was how it got from the Congo to the US”
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First paragraph, obfuscation, no actual answer to my statement. Therefore, you must have nothing to say.

Second paragraph, no is its not widely known that AIDS was the result of an experimental study. It’s a claim from the Disinformation Bureau of the old KGB, continually recycled so that thru the Big Lie (Goebble’s old trick) technique it would be accepted. I believe it first appeared in a Bolivian newspaper in the early 1980s. Since then, the left has elaborated on the claim. As I stated earlier, the claim that AIDS was engineered to attack certain DNA unique to blacks would be impossible, as the genome was not mapped until 20 years later.

Spreading old commie agitprop and pseudo-science that was impossible at the time is no way to got thru life. Its worse than being fat and stupid – at least, if fat, you could have enjoyed chocolate.
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“If what one's supporters claim is irrelevent, we would not be having so much discussion about Wright. It's funny how people use that arguement when talking about McCain's supporters, but argue something totally different when speaking of Barack's supporters.”
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One does not chose one’s supporter, any more than one can choose ones parents. Obama chose Wright, stayed in his ministry for 20 years, exposing his young daughters to the rant, cant and rave of the man. If, you can not tell the difference, you capacity for reasoning the difference is dead!
A bit more info:

"AIDS disinformation campaign. A major effort for the Working Group was the AIDS disinformation campaign, a controversial topic that had basis as a Soviet disinformation campaign. A sensational disinformation story appeared with allegations that the United States deliberately created AIDS in the laboratory to use it as a weapon. The KGB started the story in 1985 with placements in both Soviet and foreign newspapers; by September, 1986, it became a major campaign when an English language paper that actually originated in East Berlin carried the story. "AIDS: Its Nature and Origin," was distributed at the Non-Aligned Movement Summit in Harare, where it contained pseudo scientific verbiage, but the only evidence linking the origin of AIDS to U.S. military laboratories was the following unfounded statement: "The first appearance of AIDS exactly coincides with the opening of a P-4 laboratory at Fort Detrick [Maryland]—taking into account the incubation period. This is also indicated by the fact that the spreading of AIDS to the world emanated from New York, a city in the neighbourhood of Fort Detrick. The assumption that AIDS is a product of the preparation of biological warfare can therefore quite plainly be expressed."

The Soviet disinformation campaign accused the U.S. government of creating the AIDS virus as a weapon against black people and the story quickly appeared worldwide, despite U.S. protests that Fort Detrick, in Maryland, was hundreds of miles from New York. In April 1987, U.S. Surgeon General C. Everett Koop advised the Soviets that if this campaign continued, "direct U.S.-Soviet collaboration on AIDS research would be impossible." The KGB then began winding down the worldwide campaign, but other countries continued to endorse the disinformation. In Africa, stories circulated for years that the United States created the AIDS virus. The U.S. Information Service (USIS, USIA overseas) staff responded with accurate information that countered these charges and defused the situation. In Pretoria, South Africa, and in Lilongwe, Malawi, USIS information was able to refocus the media on AIDS prevention rather than on false blame.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_gx5211/is_2004/ai_n19126212

You really ought to vet such silliness!
Origin of Aids

Aids Man Made

Howard,

If you read what I wrote (I'll paste it here for you - "As for aids, it is widely know that the origin was man made, in the Congo, in an experimental study partly funded by the US government. Your mention of the flight attendant is siginficant, as it was how it got from the Congo to the US."), I did not ever state that the government created aids to kill blacks. So you do not need to attempt to disprove things I did not assert. And I would never get my data from the KGB.

I simply said the "origin was man made, in the Congo, in an experimental study partly funded by the US government." I even agreed with your appraisal of the flight attendant's role. So again, no need to attempt to disprove things I did not assert.
Sassy,

Please read the thread on here entitled "The White Preacher Double Standard." It was created by JJPAUL. It shows comments from several of McCain's supporters claiming America is to blame for 9/11 and Katrina, amongst other things. It even shows McCain calling one of these guys "his spiritual guide." Maybe you don't believe me, but hopefully you'll believe someone else.

Thanks.
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Originally posted by OneWorld1974:
Sassy,

Please read the thread on here entitled "The White Preacher Double Standard." It was created by JJPAUL. It shows comments from several of McCain's supporters claiming America is to blame for 9/11 and Katrina, amongst other things. It even shows McCain calling one of these guys "his spiritual guide." Maybe you don't believe me, but hopefully you'll believe someone else.

Thanks.


When I get a few minutes, I'll do some reseach myself and look them up. I'm more likely to believe it if I find it and confirm it myself than I am from any of the sites JJP would post links to.

Of course, supporters are not the same as the candidates themselves, are they? Not all "supporters" are chosen by the candidate...sometimes they just attach themselves like a parasite, and hang on for the ride.

Sincerely...thanks for the conversation.
Oneworld,

Origin of Aids

Aids Man Made

Howard,

If you read what I wrote (I'll paste it here for you - "As for aids, it is widely know that the origin was man made, in the Congo, in an experimental study partly funded by the US government. Your mention of the flight attendant is siginficant, as it was how it got from the Congo to the US."), I did not ever state that the government created aids to kill blacks. So you do not need to attempt to disprove things I did not assert. And I would never get my data from the KGB.

I simply said the "origin was man made, in the Congo, in an experimental study partly funded by the US government." I even agreed with your appraisal of the flight attendant's role. So again, no need to attempt to disprove things I did not assert.
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No, it is not widely know that AIDS is a manmade disease by the US. That is an old Soviet Disinformation Bureau piece that others have taken and flown with.

If one were to design diseases to truly kill hundreds of thousands, then a variant of Bubonic Plague, which is hard to cure and spread quickly would be a better choice, among several. AIDS is a disease of the results of poor personal choices and is hard to spread. Ebola, like leprosy, only attacks a small percentage of the populace.

As to the first website you posted, did you research the author of it?
Leonard G. Horowitz, D.M.D., M.A., M.P.H.

Horowitz is a dentist who purports that the pharmaceutical industry designed AIDS to depopulate the earth. He also claims Ebola was designed for the same use. He’s also against immunization for diseases and proposes to use natural healing using sound, color, oxygen, nutrition, and water-based therapies to cure most diseases.

A snippet of his claims to divine heritage: The "ha Levi" portion of his name designates Levitical priesthood. His family’s genealogy reveals the first Horowitz was Isaiah ben Moshe ha Levi. This denotes blood lineage beginning with Moses the Levi Priest, to whom the Creator provided His Ten Commandments to help guide people to administer Divine Law “on Earth as it is in Heaven.”

In short, knowingly or unknowingly, you bought in to an extremist in both religion and medicine, with few credentials for same. The man is an opportunist who is using the old lie to further his livelihood --a modern patent medicine sideshow man.
Staying on topic:

From sweetness & light,

Dems Fear Hillary’s ‘Tonya Harding’ Option

March 26, 2008 — It is improbable but, yes, still mathematically possible that New York Sen. Hillary Clinton could win the Democratic presidential nomination.

What Democratic officials across the country fear is what Clinton will have to do to party rival Illinois Sen. Barack Obama — who leads in pledged delegates and the popular vote — to make that happen.

"I don’t think she has no chance, but the route for her to victory is so bad for the Democratic Party — it’s to damage Obama so much that people feel he’s not electable," said ABC News political contributor Matthew Dowd, a former adviser to President Bush, repeating the sentiments of many in the other party.

One Democratic Party official called Clinton’s strategy "The Tonya Harding Option" — the idea that Clinton’s only path to the gold medal is to destroy her leading competitor…


Who ever doubted that Hillary would go this route?

Except that Mrs. Clinton does not have Tonya Harding’s quiet grace and dignity.

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/democrats-fear-hilla...tonya-harding-option

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