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It has been months now, since any information relating to the well being of the "RockPile Cats" has been forthcoming.
Given the economic downward spiral, massive unemployment, factory closings, bailouts, rising food costs, etc. it seems strange, that certain ethnic Oriental establishments have been able to "hold down the costs" of buffets?
Wise use of capital? Or! "Secret Ingredients"?
Ummmmmm!
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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
Like the Native Americans, the Rock Piles cats were subjected to forcible removal by the all powerful Federal government.


Neither the "rock pile cats" nor any other of the house cat variety are native to this country. They are exotic, and when loosed in the wild, they are destructive and need to be removed. It is environmentally unsound to maintain populations of free-roaming cats. They destroy wildlife that truly IS native to this country.

Down with free-roaming cats--gettriddofem!
coyotes
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Originally posted by beternU:
quote:
Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
Like the Native Americans, the Rock Piles cats were subjected to forcible removal by the all powerful Federal government.


Neither the "rock pile cats" nor any other of the house cat variety are native to this country. They are exotic, and when loosed in the wild, they are destructive and need to be removed. It is environmentally unsound to maintain populations of free-roaming cats. They destroy wildlife that truly IS native to this country.

Down with free-roaming cats--gettriddofem!


We have enough "free-roaming" predators, including coyotes, "free-roaming cats" do not pose a threat. Even the local eagle population will snag a cat from time to time.
They're not just for breakfast anymore. Cats, besides being delicious, also make excellent fish bait. They are also a wonderful source for inexpensive guitar strings in economically troubled times. And who can forget the sheer joy of just swinging a dead cat for hours and hours. Concerned for the "RockPile Cats?" You bet I am. Big Grin
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Originally posted by beternU:
quote:
Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
Like the Native Americans, the Rock Piles cats were subjected to forcible removal by the all powerful Federal government.


Neither the "rock pile cats" nor any other of the house cat variety are native to this country. They are exotic, and when loosed in the wild, they are destructive and need to be removed. It is environmentally unsound to maintain populations of free-roaming cats. They destroy wildlife that truly IS native to this country.

Down with free-roaming cats--gettriddofem!

Be careful there Better, we aren't native to this country either.
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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
coyotes
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Originally posted by beternU:
quote:
Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
Like the Native Americans, the Rock Piles cats were subjected to forcible removal by the all powerful Federal government.


Neither the "rock pile cats" nor any other of the house cat variety are native to this country. They are exotic, and when loosed in the wild, they are destructive and need to be removed. It is environmentally unsound to maintain populations of free-roaming cats. They destroy wildlife that truly IS native to this country.

Down with free-roaming cats--gettriddofem!


We have enough "free-roaming" predators, including coyotes, "free-roaming cats" do not pose a threat. Even the local eagle population will snag a cat from time to time.


Study up, SHELDIVR:

"At the most recent meeting of the National Audubon Society Board of Directors, the cat issue was addressed both as a policy matter and because some Audubon chapters have become involved in the issue in their local communities. After lengthy discussion, the Board voted to adopt a resolution regarding the cat issue. It took the following salient and science-based points into consideration before passing the resolution:

Feral and free-ranging cats kill millions of native birds and other small animals annually;
Birds constitute approximately 20%-30% of the prey of feral and free-ranging domestic cats;
The American Ornithologists' Union, American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians, International Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies, National Association of State Public Health Veterinarians, Inc., and the Cooper Ornithological Society have concluded that feral, homeless, lost, abandoned, or free-ranging domestic cats are proven to have serious negative impacts on bird populations, and have contributed to the decline of many bird species. Worldwide, cats may have been involved in the extinction of more bird species than any other cause, except habitat destruction;
Feral cat colony management programs known by the acronym TTVNR (Trapped, Tested, Vaccinated, Neutered, Released) are not effective solutions to the problem. In fact, these cat colonies are usually fed by very well-meaning cat welfare groups. The unnatural colonies form around food sources and grow to the limits of the food supply. Feeding these strays does not prevent them from hunting; it only maintains high densities of cats that dramatically increase predation on and competition with native wildlife populations;
Free-roaming cats are likely to come in contact with rabid wild animals and thus spread the disease to people. They pose a risk to the general public through transmission of other diseases like toxoplasmosis, feline leukemia, distemper, and roundworm."

From: http://www.audubon.org/local/cn/98march/cats.html

More:

"
Felines Fatales
With something like 150 million free-ranging house cats wreaking havoc on our wildlife, the last thing we need is Americans sustaining them in the wild."


Source: http://audubonmagazine.org/incite/incite0909.html

See also:
http://birds.suite101.com/arti...eral_cats_kill_birds

SHELDIVR, this is a major environmental problem. You do it an injustice with your casual dismissal.
I think I have posted before, a very long time ago,of how my Grandfather put food on his table by training other peoples bird dogs. Back in the late 30's and on into the 40's and even 50's there was quite a demand for well trained bird dogs. And my grandfather was known as one of the best in North Alabama.
My Dad,who did most of the work in the actually training went on to have some of the best in this area.
As a child there was one thing my brother and I knew about cats.. KILL EVERY ONE YOU SEE !! A wild domesticated cat is a cancer on native wildlife. It was true then and I'm sure even more now.
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Originally posted by themax:
I think I have posted before, a very long time ago,of how my Grandfather put food on his table by training other peoples bird dogs. Back in the late 30's and on into the 40's and even 50's there was quite a demand for well trained bird dogs. And my grandfather was known as one of the best in North Alabama.
My Dad,who did most of the work in the actually training went on to have some of the best in this area.
As a child there was one thing my brother and I knew about cats.. KILL EVERY ONE YOU SEE !! A wild domesticated cat is a cancer on native wildlife. It was true then and I'm sure even more now.


Right ON, themax!

The problem is very serious and very widespread in this country.

I have not killed cats locally, but when I lived in Florida, in an area that previously had good quail populations that had been severely depleted by free-roaming cats, more that one Felis sylvestris instantaneously gained weight from my addition of No. 5 shot to its exotic carcass! It was all perfectly legal, too, in that rural county where sportsmen knew how damaging cats are to native wildlife.
There's something that needs to be taken into account: The "Rockpile" on the TVA Reservation is located in an urban area: it is de facto not natural. We have large areas given to grass: not natural at all. And different kinds of insects may function there.

Here's something else: numerous people feed birds; thus helping sustain a larger population of them within an area. Furthermore, the local birds are those that are largely those species that can deal with an urban setting. How many kingfishers or snipes do you see on your front lawn?

My point is this: an urban area has its own ecology; but one in which the artificial selection processes favor some species as opposed to others. In effect, we've tipped the scales in favor of some species; why should we make an exception for feral cats?

I'm in favor of the *******; and will make a point of feeding feral cats.
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Originally posted by Elvis Wearing a Bra on Head:
There's something that needs to be taken into account: The "Rockpile" on the TVA Reservation is located in an urban area: it is de facto not natural. We have large areas given to grass: not natural at all. And different kinds of insects may function there.

Here's something else: numerous people feed birds; thus helping sustain a larger population of them within an area. Furthermore, the local birds are those that are largely those species that can deal with an urban setting. How many kingfishers or snipes do you see on your front lawn?

My point is this: an urban area has its own ecology; but one in which the artificial selection processes favor some species as opposed to others. In effect, we've tipped the scales in favor of some species; why should we make an exception for feral cats?

I'm in favor of the *******; and will make a point of feeding feral cats.


There are many ares of land and water that are not "natural" in a pristine sense, since man has done so much wholesale modification of that which is natural. Nevertheless, such areas do continue to provide habitat elements that suppport wildlife.

Through feeding of birds, we might have, to some extent, caused adjustments in population dynamics that locally favor "backyard birds." But on the other hand, many of these same species of birds have suffered serious losses as a result of hardwood forest clearing, collisions with communications towers, and other mann-induced factors. The enormous depredations nationwide by feral cats and free-roaming cats are an unnecessary and avoidable impact.

Why add one unnatural impact (permitting a non-native instinctive hunting and killing species to roam freely) to these other impacts on bird populations? The cumulative effects can at least be moderated significantly if people will take care of their house cats. It is cruel to allow cats to roam freely. They are subject to being run over by cars or attacked by dogs and coyotes. No true lover of cats will allow his/her pet to roam freely. We call them "house cats." That is what they should be--confined to the house with adequate food water and the inevitable litter box! Whenever and wherever it is legal to shoot free-roaming cats, those who have appropriate means to do so should arrange for their removal--dead or alive!
I live "rural". Closest neighbor is 1/4 mile. I have 2 "Front Porch" cats. I do not worry about an ecological impact, because the bas*ards are too lazy to leave the porch, and a bird scares the crap out of them. They are fed well.
However, for years this has been a favored drop-off point for animals. Mostly cats.
Any that were dropped off, my neighbor fed...just enough for them to hang around and roam to my house.
After a few days of "guest Front Porch" cats eating my cats food, and having all kinds of loud, midnight sexcapades, I "fed" them a "special diet".
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Originally posted by CageTheElephant:
I live "rural". Closest neighbor is 1/4 mile. I have 2 "Front Porch" cats. I do not worry about an ecological impact, because the bas*ards are too lazy to leave the porch, and a bird scares the crap out of them. They are fed well.
However, for years this has been a favored drop-off point for animals. Mostly cats.
Any that were dropped off, my neighbor fed...just enough for them to hang around and roam to my house.
After a few days of "guest Front Porch" cats eating my cats food, and having all kinds of loud, midnight sexcapades, I "fed" them a "special diet".


A diet with high LEAD CONTENT, one might suppose.
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by CageTheElephant:
I live "rural". Closest neighbor is 1/4 mile. I have 2 "Front Porch" cats. I do not worry about an ecological impact, because the bas*ards are too lazy to leave the porch, and a bird scares the crap out of them. They are fed well.
However, for years this has been a favored drop-off point for animals. Mostly cats.
Any that were dropped off, my neighbor fed...just enough for them to hang around and roam to my house.
After a few days of "guest Front Porch" cats eating my cats food, and having all kinds of loud, midnight sexcapades, I "fed" them a "special diet".


A diet with high LEAD CONTENT, one might suppose.


So are we supposed to be impressed by comments like these?

I am swooning . . . .
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Originally posted by CageTheElephant:
I live "rural". Closest neighbor is 1/4 mile. I have 2 "Front Porch" cats. I do not worry about an ecological impact, because the bas*ards are too lazy to leave the porch, and a bird scares the crap out of them. They are fed well.
However, for years this has been a favored drop-off point for animals. Mostly cats.
Any that were dropped off, my neighbor fed...just enough for them to hang around and roam to my house.
After a few days of "guest Front Porch" cats eating my cats food, and having all kinds of loud, midnight sexcapades, I "fed" them a "special diet".


A diet with high LEAD CONTENT, one might suppose.


With trace amounts of copper...
I'm amazed that there are people in this area who think it's okay to discharge firearms in the city limits merely to kill cats. In doing so, they may put their families and neighbors at risk due to "friendly fire." And how about the police officers who will inevitably come around? Our cops don't need those kinds of thoughtless risks!

Most of these urban feline vigilantes think they're better shots or their weapon is more accurate than is really the case. They would be better served just to take a chill pill and to shoot off their mouths less!

In my opinion. the strongest justification for firearm limitations is that many parents thirty or forty years ago did not practice birth control!
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Originally posted by Disappointed:
I'm amazed that there are people in this area who think it's okay to discharge firearms in the city limits merely to kill cats. In doing so, they may put their families and neighbors at risk due to "friendly fire." And how about the police officers who will inevitably come around? Our cops don't need those kinds of thoughtless risks!

Most of these urban feline vigilantes think they're better shots or their weapon is more accurate than is really the case. They would be better served just to take a chill pill and to shoot off their mouths less!

In my opinion. the strongest justification for firearm limitations is that many parents thirty or forty years ago did not practice birth control!


And I am amazed and DISAPPOINTED about how little attention you and certain other pro-feral cat people pay to what is posted. When you don't read carefully, you wind up posting incorrect, irrelevant, and ignorant responses, such as yours, above.

You should have noted that in my post, I carefully qualified the conditions upon which I would use a firearm to eradicate free-roaming cats. I will post it again and invite you to actually read and understand it before you reply again (preferably with a retraction of your disjointed first failed attempt to be relevant).

Here goes; PAY ATTENTION:

"Whenever and wherever it is legal to shoot free-roaming cats, those who have appropriate means to do so should arrange for their removal--dead or alive!"

No laws are broken when something is "legal," Disappointed. And should the police come around where use of firearms is legal, they would find me taking due care not to fire upon any other target than the offending feline(s).

Note also that CageTheElephant pointed out that he lives in a "rural" area. Thus, he would not be an "urban feline vigilante." "Rural," Disappointed, is the OPPOSITE of "urban."

Perhaps this little tutorial will help you to see the actual facts and substance of the posts to which you have responded with such disregard to what those posts actually said. I have to suspect that in your obviously emotional bias for these scraggly invasive exotic mammals, you impetuously assumed the worst and thus fired off your response without halfway paying attention to relevant details.

As to the presumed accuracy of weapons, be advised, Disappointed, that that issue is not particularly of concern when the weapon of choice is a 12-gauge shotgun, loaded with No. 6 shot, at close range, which describes the relevant circumstances of my past feline eradication initiatives.

Try to do better next time.
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Originally posted by Disappointed:
I'm amazed that there are people in this area who think it's okay to discharge firearms in the city limits merely to kill cats. In doing so, they may put their families and neighbors at risk due to "friendly fire." And how about the police officers who will inevitably come around? Our cops don't need those kinds of thoughtless risks!

Most of these urban feline vigilantes think they're better shots or their weapon is more accurate than is really the case. They would be better served just to take a chill pill and to shoot off their mouths less!

In my opinion. the strongest justification for firearm limitations is that many parents thirty or forty years ago did not practice birth control!


I agree, it's too easy to mistake a police officer with a stray cat. Since I live in the country I don't have to worry about police officers. Any stray cat in my area "usually" dies, same as stray dogs. It seems they are allergic to lead administered at high velocity. And by the way my weapon is very accurate.
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Originally posted by themax:
I think I have posted before, a very long time ago,of how my Grandfather put food on his table by training other peoples bird dogs. Back in the late 30's and on into the 40's and even 50's there was quite a demand for well trained bird dogs. And my grandfather was known as one of the best in North Alabama.
My Dad,who did most of the work in the actually training went on to have some of the best in this area.
As a child there was one thing my brother and I knew about cats.. KILL EVERY ONE YOU SEE !! A wild domesticated cat is a cancer on native wildlife. It was true then and I'm sure even more now.


How about my neighbors bird dogs that got loose and killed my baby chickens a few yrs ago. Should I shoot them next time.

Sick, sick, people.
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Originally posted by Trutooit-II:
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Originally posted by themax:
I think I have posted before, a very long time ago,of how my Grandfather put food on his table by training other peoples bird dogs. Back in the late 30's and on into the 40's and even 50's there was quite a demand for well trained bird dogs. And my grandfather was known as one of the best in North Alabama.
My Dad,who did most of the work in the actually training went on to have some of the best in this area.
As a child there was one thing my brother and I knew about cats.. KILL EVERY ONE YOU SEE !! A wild domesticated cat is a cancer on native wildlife. It was true then and I'm sure even more now.


How about my neighbors bird dogs that got loose and killed my baby chickens a few yrs ago. Should I shoot them next time.

Sick, sick, people.


Possibly. Did you notify said neighbor and if so did he pay for the deceased baby chicks? If he did then the answer would be no. If he said tuff luck then the answer would be yes. You people that seem to think others are sick need to get of town once in awhile and see how the real world lives.
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Originally posted by Trutooit-II:

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Originally posted by themax:
I think I have posted before, a very long time ago,of how my Grandfather put food on his table by training other peoples bird dogs. Back in the late 30's and on into the 40's and even 50's there was quite a demand for well trained bird dogs. And my grandfather was known as one of the best in North Alabama.
My Dad,who did most of the work in the actually training went on to have some of the best in this area.
As a child there was one thing my brother and I knew about cats.. KILL EVERY ONE YOU SEE !! A wild domesticated cat is a cancer on native wildlife. It was true then and I'm sure even more now.


How about my neighbors bird dogs that got loose and killed my baby chickens a few yrs ago. Should I shoot them next time.

Sick, sick, people.


Possibly. Did you notify said neighbor and if so did he pay for the deceased baby chicks? If he did then the answer would be no. If he said tuff luck then the answer would be yes. You people that seem to think others are sick need to get of town once in awhile and see how the real world lives.

Hope and chains.


Exactly, themax...

The comparison of a neighbors dogs, to a bunch of wild, drop-off cats is a kneejerk analogy.
Contacting the neighbor, at least where I live, would result in a friendly settling of the matter.
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Originally posted by Elvis Wearing a Bra on Head:
Oh, whoopie doo! This thread has degenerated into people bragging about how accurately they can shoot easy targets like hungry cats.

Your mommas must be proud . . . .


MY momma would have approved. She bought me my first BB gun when I was six years old and showed me how to use it safely. She had no use whatsoever for free-roaming cats, either. Yes, my momma was a sensible, practical woman who would have had no problem at all regarding any feral feline eradication measures her big boy might pursue!

Is/was yo' momma some kinda bleeding heart who doesn't/didn't care what kind of exotic critters are/were loosed on the environment as long as she thinks/thought they are/were "cute"?
Oh no. I thought that thread in Miscellaneous was a joke. I'll correct that momentarily.

I did not know people just whip out their guns and shoot stray cats (dogs too?) and I grew up in the sticks. I am a little horrified at that...seems rather barbaric. Of course, I never understood hunting down animals for sport either. If you need to eat, that's one thing, but seriously, those of you that were raised to hunt just for sport or to stuff an animal like a trophy...haven't you ever questioned that at all?
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Originally posted by Elvis Wearing a Bra on Head:
Oh, whoopie doo! This thread has degenerated into people bragging about how accurately they can shoot easy targets like hungry cats.

Your mommas must be proud . . . .


My mother and father would hang their heads in shame if I killed just to kill, or for any other reason probably unless a life was threatened.
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Oh no. I thought that thread in Miscellaneous was a joke. I'll correct that momentarily.

I did not know people just whip out their guns and shoot stray cats (dogs too?) and I grew up in the sticks. I am a little horrified at that...seems rather barbaric. Of course, I never understood hunting down animals for sport either. If you need to eat, that's one thing, but seriously, those of you that were raised to hunt just for sport or to stuff an animal like a trophy...haven't you ever questioned that at all?


Have you ever had your chickens killed by stray dogs? How about you or your kids terrified by stray dogs? Ever had to pick up garbage strowed by stray cats or dogs? It's not random killing as you imply. I do hunt but I always eat what I shoot.

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