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Done deal, your phone may be tapped secretly, at least for a while

Published by congress.org, "President Bush Signs Bill to Expand Warrantless Wiretapping
On August 5, President Bush signed into law S.1927, a bill amending the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978. The law expands the ability of certain government agencies to monitor phone calls, emails, and other communications that are part of a foreign intelligence investigation."

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Just like the Patriot Act, I think this bill is good to have. I don't have anything to hide and if it empowers Intelligence, then I say yea.

I once had a baby monitor that picked up neighborhood calls. It was pretty boring listening to the common gossip. Why would anyone feel infringed upon when you don't have anything relevant to terrorism/threats to hide?

Seems like democrats were just mad because they didn't want to appear like they were weak on terrorism instead of worrying about partisan advantage.
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Originally posted by NashBama:
Doesn't bother me, I'm not planning on blowing up anything. If they want to listen in on my friends and I talking beer, bbq, and football, go right ahead. If they prevent some jihadist from blowing himself up in a mall, then it's worth it.


I agree! When I am on the phone it is almost always 3 way with one of my sisters or friends. Just friendly goofy non-work conversations.
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Originally posted by just saying:
Just like the Patriot Act, I think this bill is good to have. I don't have anything to hide and if it empowers Intelligence, then I say yea.

I once had a baby monitor that picked up neighborhood calls. It was pretty boring listening to the common gossip. Why would anyone feel infringed upon when you don't have anything relevant to terrorism/threats to hide?

Seems like democrats were just mad because they didn't want to appear like they were weak on terrorism instead of worrying about partisan advantage.



I think you all are good Patriots who don't mind giving up their freedom for Bush. OOPS!
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Originally posted by interventor:
This bill doesn't affect US residents, period. It only allows warrentless easedropping of foreign to foreign call that go thru US line or switches.

Probablly from Waziristan or Baluchistan to Canada (whole nest of al-Qaeda there) or the triangle region down in South America. Please read bill while engaging brain.




Bush Isn't Spying on al Qaeda ... He's Spying on You

http://alternet.org/rights/58806/?page=1
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The dispute over whether Attorney General Alberto Gonzales committed perjury when he parsed words about George W. Bush's warrantless surveillance program misses a larger point: the extraordinary secrecy surrounding these spying operations is not aimed at al-Qaeda, but at the American people.

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But al-Qaeda terrorists always have assumed that their electronic communications were vulnerable to interception, which is why 9/11 attackers like Mohamed Atta traveled overseas for face-to-face meetings with their handlers. They limited their phone calls to mostly routine conversations.

The terrorists also had no reason to know or to care that the U.S. government was or wasn't getting wiretap approval from the secret court created by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. They simply took for granted that their communications could be intercepted and acted accordingly.

It never made sense to think that al-Qaeda terrorists suddenly would get loose-lipped just because the FISA court was or wasn't in the mix. The FISA court rubber-stamps almost all wiretap requests from the Executive Branch for domestic spying, and overseas calls don't require a warrant.
pba,

The Information Awareness Office was a very small activity. Friends at DoD tell me the all seeing eye (back of US seal) was done as a joke, guess it engaged the left's paranoia.

Again, you have yet to tell me where the manpower for such a large effort is located.

It certainly isn't at NSA, CIA, FBI or the Defense Intelligence Agency.

The face to face method using runners is time consuming and runs as many risks as the other methods, if not more. Al-Qaeda uses runners, phones, e-mail and steganography and probably a few methods not known to the public.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
Done deal, your phone may be tapped secretly, at least for a while

Published by congress.org, "President Bush Signs Bill to Expand Warrantless Wiretapping
On August 5, President Bush signed into law S.1927, a bill amending the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978. The law expands the ability of certain government agencies to monitor phone calls, emails, and other communications that are part of a foreign intelligence investigation."

Summary of the bill. Navigate away to see other issues and register.



The Democratic-controlled Congress did the unthinkable on Saturday night: They gave President Bush and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales more unchecked power to wiretap Americans without a warrant.
Dam, I feel like Foghorn Leghorn talking to the chicken hawk. You ain't listening there, son! Now, pay attention!

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2007/08/bush-sign...nce-surveillance.php

"The Protect America Act, passed by the US Senate on Friday and the House of Representatives [JURIST reports] late Saturday, establishes guidelines on how the United States can conduct surveillance against foreign nationals "reasonably believed to be outside the United States," "
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One more time, this law is for foreign to foreign callers outside the US, if the lines or switches go thru the US territory. Not a thing to do with listening in on persons residing in the US.

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midknightrunner,

You may be in a heap of trouble. I heard Secretary Gates' cat died. Something about a meatloaf ...
okay i am going out on a limb here,but please think outside the box that we are all told to think.
Its hypothetical, lets say the government has done something REALLY stupid, i mean has everyone in a total complete uproar. Now lets remember our past, our freedoms and WHY it was we even have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights. Remember WHY our forefathers even bothered coming to a new land.
So long as we ARE indeed exchanging recipes, discussing the weather, etc. we are okay. But is this not just a sneaky way to get into the backdoor of every Americans home anytime THEY decide its for national security interest,er uh governmental interest.
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okay i am going out on a limb here,but please think outside the box that we are all told to think.
Its hypothetical, lets say the government has done something REALLY stupid, i mean has everyone in a total complete uproar. Now lets remember our past, our freedoms and WHY it was we even have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights. Remember WHY our forefathers even bothered coming to a new land.
So long as we ARE indeed exchanging recipes, discussing the weather, etc. we are okay. But is this not just a sneaky way to get into the backdoor of every Americans home anytime THEY decide its for national security interest,er uh governmental interest.


If you're not doing anything wrong, why would they want to? Do I value my privacy, sure, but I really don't think this will lead to me seeing a van parked outside my house with a couple of guys taping my phone conversations in it. Besides, the bill being discussed is for foreign countries, not our own.
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Originally posted by interventor:
This bill doesn't affect US residents, period. It only allows warrentless easedropping of foreign to foreign call that go thru US line or switches.

Probablly from Waziristan or Baluchistan to Canada (whole nest of al-Qaeda there) or the triangle region down in South America. Please read bill while engaging brain.




Here is what someone from you own party has to say about Presidential Snooping Damages the Nation.



Presidential Snooping Damages the Nation
Tuesday, Jan. 03, 2006 By BOB BARR Article ToolsPrintEmailReprintsSphereAddThisRSS Back in the 1930s, when confronted with clear evidence he had violated the law, Georgia's then agriculture commissioner and gubernatorial candidate Eugene Talmadge popped his bright red suspenders and dared those accusing him of corruption to do something about it, declaring, "Sure, I stole, but I stole for you." He was elected Governor in 1932. Accused of breaking the law in the current debate over electronic spying, President George W. Bush has, in his own way, dared the American people to do something about it. For the sake of our Constitution, I hope they will.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1145243,00.html

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