Conservative Gays vs. liberal Gays

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I think I would do like the Bible says, learn tolerance.!

Not that I am questioning your knowledge but could you give me the exact scripture you are talking about when you mention "learn tolerance"? I sometimes just like to study the scripture to make sure I didn't hear it wrong or to make sure I just don't take someones word for it. No offense.

There's a big difference in tolerance and acceptance as moral. The Bible very clearly states that we have a sin nature but choose to do it. The Bible also very clearly states God's view on homosexuality in multiple scriptures(Read Romans ch. 1 for an example) I put that particular one because it's straight to the point and in the New Testament so no one can dispute it as some do the Old Testament.
As for the political side of it, your rambling went all around the world to get a block down the street...Dems are sinners/Rep are sinners. There is no man running for any office who is without sin, but that doesnt mean what they say is moral is correct or incorrect based soley on that. Morally speaking we should all be disgusted at many of the lifestyles our leaders lead whether its homosexuality, promiscuity, adultery, thievery...but Jesus ain't walkin through that door of the White House so we have to find the lesser of two evils in most cases.
As for the rich people vote Rebulican crack you made...OPEN YOUR EYES!!! How many millionares do we hear every day beating their drum for the libbys? Don't give me that crap about Dems are the workin man's party... thats more outdated than the fashions from Miami Vice. They may be the union's party, but all workin men and women ain't in unions...The Republicans consistently want to lower my taxes unlike Dems who want to do the opposite...I'm a workin man...lower taxes means more money in my pocket.. Who's really lookin out for the workin man here? The policies of the Democrats cripple the workin man.

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Originally posted by outspokenjerk:

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I think I would do like the Bible says, learn tolerance.!

Not that I am questioning your knowledge but could you give me the exact scripture you are talking about when you mention "learn tolerance"? I sometimes just like to study the scripture to make sure I didn't hear it wrong or to make sure I just don't take someones word for it. No offense.

No problem! If we people don't learn tolerance we are going to be killing each other. We have tolerance to people who pull out in front of you that almost got your butt killed. You had enough tolerance not to chase his butt down and beat the living daylights out of him.Get the point? You don't have to like it!! If you chase this dude down then you are asking for trouble. You must have enough self control about things or you are the one that could be asking for trouble.Tolerance is a must! You can't control something that has been here forever but you can teach.

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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
There's a big difference in tolerance and acceptance as moral. The Bible very clearly states that we have a sin nature but choose to do it. The Bible also very clearly states God's view on homosexuality in multiple scriptures(Read Romans ch. 1 for an example) I put that particular one because it's straight to the point and in the New Testament so no one can dispute it as some do the Old Testament.
As for the political side of it, your rambling went all around the world to get a block down the street...Dems are sinners/Rep are sinners. There is no man running for any office who is without sin, but that doesnt mean what they say is moral is correct or incorrect based soley on that. Morally speaking we should all be disgusted at many of the lifestyles our leaders lead whether its homosexuality, promiscuity, adultery, thievery...but Jesus ain't walkin through that door of the White House so we have to find the lesser of two evils in most cases.
As for the rich people vote Rebulican crack you made...OPEN YOUR EYES!!! How many millionares do we hear every day beating their drum for the libbys? Don't give me that crap about Dems are the workin man's party... thats more outdated than the fashions from Miami Vice. They may be the union's party, but all workin men and women ain't in unions...The Republicans consistently want to lower my taxes unlike Dems who want to do the opposite...I'm a workin man...lower taxes means more money in my pocket.. Who's really lookin out for the workin man here? The policies of the Democrats cripple the workin man.

I have had my eyes open more longer than thee.You put words in and added words that I did not say. You say>>Republicans consistently want to lower my taxes unlike Dems who want to do the opposite. My Answer: Well, I guess if you got a great tax break you must be in the 200,000 dollar a year brackit. I know people that are working folks and only got a $11.00 tax break but not like you they were only making 50 0r 60,000 a year. and anyone below that number got less also. See,Everybody likes tax breaks so much to have fire depts or police we have to sell chicken stew and have a few good people who is willing to give their life,time with their family's time up,for people like you who hate them taxes. The Rich people have got people like you by the balls and even if they offered to let go you beg for the to grab them again. The policies of Reagan with the Democrats and republicans help, Cripple the workin man and he is not doing any better under Bush.

The folks who are doing great are the folks that work for places like RedStone,Lockeed and others who count on wars to work! No war then you get layoffs. So, who loves war? NEOCON'S who are republican and democrat and conservative.

Question, if you think I am gay, and you see me standing on the street, and you believe that God Hates Gays, Is it all right for you to beat me to death? Well, Is it? Are you supposed to stone me till I am dead? Are you?
If you said yes to those questions, don't come around me. You see I am tall, slender, blond, and I dress in Work Clothes with creases, and sometimes wear sandals, and sometimes high top lace up boots. I really look gay. but I am not, and I will not take a beating from you or a cop, or a priest, or a President. I will agree with anyone who says I am gay. I sure am, are you looking for a date? Now what are you going to do? will you whip out a pistol and shoot me? Do you think it will make a difference? I would not pay for all the bible verses in creation with the drawing of a single drop of blood from a gay. Would you? Is beating a gay to death an assurance of a lifetime in paradise? Would you be a martyr if you were killed trying to beat a gay to death? Do you ever think, and consider what your words enable others to justify? Is saying Gays deserve beatings and starvation and denial of medical treatment and decent education and housing going to get you into the heaven so many people long for? Or is it just another way to rationalize your own ignorance of teh meaning of THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS?

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Originally posted by outspokenjerk:

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I think I would do like the Bible says, learn tolerance.!

Not that I am questioning your knowledge but could you give me the exact scripture you are talking about when you mention "learn tolerance"? I sometimes just like to study the scripture to make sure I didn't hear it wrong or to make sure I just don't take someones word for it. No offense.

There are many instances of the Scriptures encouraging tolerance and or compassion.

Colossians 3:12-17 (King James Version)
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12Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

13Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

14And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

15And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

16Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

17And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

Jesus on non-believers -

Jesus refused to curse non-believers: Jesus' teachings were rejected by the inhabitants of a village in Samaria. His disciples asked that he exterminate the people of the village by issuing a curse. Jesus refused to do it, and simply move on to the next village.
Luke 9:52-56: "...they did not receive him...And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village."


Tolerance of different kinds of Christianity:

Tolerance of other types of "Christianity": Jesus' disciples had rejected a healer who was exorcising demons in Jesus' name, yet was not one of Jesus direct followers. Jesus criticized his disciples and accepted the healer. Mark and Luke report the incident in parallel passages:
Mark 9:38-40 "...we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbade him, because he followeth not us. But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part." (KJV)
Luke 9:49-50 "...we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbade him, because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us."

One more -

Jesus treats a Samaritan women with respect: Jesus initiates a conversation with a Samaritan woman in Sychar, Samaria. This is unusual in at least two ways: Jewish men did not talk to women who were not their wives or were not from their family. Also, Jews normally treated Samaritans with contempt. Jews did not have dealings with them, because they had deviated from Judaism.
John 4:7-27: "There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink...Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans. Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water...Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father...And upon this came his disciples, and marveled that he talked with the woman..."

Mean as a snake - everything in the above post is about grace, not tolerance. When Jesus healed the sick he said to go and put your evil ways behind you. Jesus did not tolerate sin, he did give grace to everyone, even homosexuals.

Ed - God does not hate homosexuals. God hates sin and according to the bible homosexuality is a sin. Jesus loves the sinner, which is why he ate at the houses of those considered the scourge of the earth at the time. He even couseled to the criminal on the cross next to him. If you think that God hates anybody, then that's a god of your own imagination.

Yes, Christ associated with tax collectors!

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Originally posted by EdEKit:
Question, if you think I am gay, and you see me standing on the street, and you believe that God Hates Gays, Is it all right for you to beat me to death? Well, Is it? Are you supposed to stone me till I am dead? Are you?
If you said yes to those questions, don't come around me. You see I am tall, slender, blond, and I dress in Work Clothes with creases, and sometimes wear sandals, and sometimes high top lace up boots. I really look gay. but I am not, and I will not take a beating from you or a cop, or a priest, or a President. I will agree with anyone who says I am gay. I sure am, are you looking for a date? Now what are you going to do? will you whip out a pistol and shoot me? Do you think it will make a difference? I would not pay for all the bible verses in creation with the drawing of a single drop of blood from a gay. Would you? Is beating a gay to death an assurance of a lifetime in paradise? Would you be a martyr if you were killed trying to beat a gay to death? Do you ever think, and consider what your words enable others to justify? Is saying Gays deserve beatings and starvation and denial of medical treatment and decent education and housing going to get you into the heaven so many people long for? Or is it just another way to rationalize your own ignorance of teh meaning of THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS?

Ed,
I Am a Christian, a born-again believer and I have friends who are gay. Do I hate them? No, they're my friends. I do not approve of their lifestyle but I still love them as my friends. I will not treat them any different than I would treat my straight firends. I also will not tolerate someone hating on them. The example Jesus set was to LOVE. That is it. I have said this before. We are to love everyone. We do not have to approve of someone's lifestyle to do that. We can even debate like we do on here. Just because I disagree with someone doesn't mean I hate them or even dislike them. I know that meanasasnake and I disagree on a number of things but if meanasasnake needed my help, I would do everything I could to help him. If we as Christians love people, God will take care of the rest. And anyone who would beat up or kill a gay person in the name of Jesus, probably doesn't have a clue about God's grace.

What did Jesus Christ say about being gay or homosexual? Not what Peter said. Not what John said. What did CHRIST say?

If you want to quote Old Testament and tell me what God said than we can play that way, too. God said it is an abomination to eat shrimp. So go hate on Captain D's and Red Lobster.

Back to the New Testament and The Word. What did Jesus say about being gay?

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Originally posted by T S C:
What did Jesus Christ say about being gay or homosexual? Not what Peter said. Not what John said. What did CHRIST say?

If you want to quote Old Testament and tell me what God said than we can play that way, too. God said it is an abomination to eat shrimp. So go hate on Captain D's and Red Lobster.

Back to the New Testament and The Word. What did Jesus say about being gay?

So, do you think that the GOP is the God party or a bunch of propaganda to win over Christians to their way of thinking and to get money and votes?

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Originally posted by pba:
So, do you think that the GOP is the God party or a bunch of propaganda to win over Christians to their way of thinking and to get money and votes?

Neither.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Mean as a snake - everything in the above post is about grace, not tolerance.

I disagree with you. Especially where these passages are concerned.

Mark 9:38-40 "...we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbade him, because he followeth not us. But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part." (KJV)
Luke 9:49-50 "...we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbade him, because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us."

Jesus was perfectly willing to tolerate less than perfect individuals including prostitutes, thieves and various other sinners of note. Without a certain amount of tolerance one never gets the opportunity to express the love of Christ to a non-believer. Once again, we will never agree on some things.

Most of the gay people I know are actually preferable to many of the straight people I know. I thank God every day for them. None of my freinds are perfect.

No Mean as a snake, it sounds like we actually do agree. If you look at my post I talk about how Jesus had no problem rubbing elbows with sinners. It's the sin that Jesus doesn't tolerate and it's through him that we (because we're all sinners) have grace to overcome our sins and be forgiven.

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Originally posted by T S C:

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Originally posted by pba:
So, do you think that the GOP is the God party or a bunch of propaganda to win over Christians to their way of thinking and to get money and votes?

Neither.

I have decided you are one of my favorite "conservatives".

#1 EdKit... take a pill dawg, ain't a single person said anything bout beating or killing gays... good lord man

#2 PBA... take an economics class sometime and quit confusing mismanagement of tax dollars with we need tax dollars. If we cut about 80% of the useless gov't funded programs in this country and cut taxes about 50-65% across the board we would see a boom in this country like never before economically... its been proven over and over again that raising taxes hurts the economy. And saying its ok to hike taxes on the rich creeps dangerously close to socialism, which is probably what you want so why don't you go visit Cuba and tell me what you think bout that. And 2 other quick hits for you, I'm not close to rich and how many poor people do you know who offer people jobs... thats what I thought, you may want to curb your hatred of rich folks

#3 T S C Your's was by far to most retarted defense of homosexuality I've ever heard in my entire life...you can't be serious. See, this is what comes when someone reads a book about the Bible instead of actually reading the Bible.. God Himself chastized many of the "silly laws" from the old testament...like eating shrimp..because that became man worshiping the law instead of the law maker.. those laws were laws of men not God(which is a HUGE reason why He sent Jesus)..study closer. As for homosexuality, sexual sin is a biggie in the Bible and if you don't believe that any sex outside of marriage between a man and a woman is sin then you are reading the bible that Billy the crackhead down the street wrote or you are an athiest and shouldnt even be talking about this

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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
or you are an athiest and shouldnt even be talking about this

Hey! Since when have atheists been prohibited from making fun of the bible?

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Originally posted by pba:
Conservative Gays vs. liberal Gays

So what is the difference?

Who cares? It is a personal choice and none of our business.

The Log Cabin Republicans are a group of gay men and women who support moderates and old style limited government candidates. In the last election they lost a couple of their favorites. Most notably Lincoln Chafee of R.I. They count Arlen Specter, Gordon Smith, Guliani, Schwartznegger, and countless others within the Republican party as friends. Their intention is to change the party from the inside. To a great extent they have been successful in many ways. I still dont get it. Its sort of like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders. Sort of contrary to purpose. In the 2000 election, the Log Cabin Republicans handed the state of Florida to Bush. There are over 3100 members in 6 Florida counties alone. Karen Hughes told them : "We will not forget your hard work." I wonder what that meant?