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Consider: every devout Muslim has the same reasons for being a Muslim that you now have for being a Christian. And yet, you know exactly what it is like not to find these reasons compelling. On virtually every page, the Qur'an declares that it is the perfect word of the Creator of the universe. Muslims believe this as fully as you believe the Bible's account of itself. There is a vast literature describing the life of Muhammad that, from the Muslim point of view, proves his unique status as the Prophet of God. While Muhammad did not claim to be divine, he claimed to offer the most perfect revelation of God's will. He also assured his followers that Jesus was not divine (Qur'an 5:71-75; 19:30-38) and that anyone who believed otherwise would spend eternity in hell. Muslims are convinced that Muhammad's pronouncements on these subjects, as on all others, are infallible.

Why don't you find these claims convincing? Why don't you lose any sleep over whether or not you should convert to Islam? Please take a moment to reflect on this. You know exactly what it is like to be an atheist with respect to Islam. Isn't it obvious that Muslims are not being honest in their evaluation of the evidence? Isn't it obvious that anyone who thinks that the Qur'an is the perfect word of the Creator of the universe has not read the book very critically? Isn't it obvious that Muslims have developed a mode of discourse that seeks to preserve dogma, generation after generation, rather than question it? Yes, these things are obvious. Understand that the way you view Islam is precisely the way every Muslim views Christianity. And it is the way I view all religions. - Sam Harris
http://www.amazon.com/Letter-C...Harris/dp/0307265773

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Hi Robust,

 

Two things you will find missing in the Qur'an, as well as the sacred books of all the world religions. 

 

First, none of them speak of a "personal God" -- nor of having a personal relationship with our Lord and Savior.  The gods of all the world religions, if they even have a god, is a distant, cold, impersonal god.  That is not God; for He is very personal.  In other words, He saves us by His unmerited grace, through a very personal relationship, i.e., FAITH in Jesus Christ.   That is God; the others are gods or even less.

 

Second, none of them show prophecies and prophecies fulfilled.  The Bible shows 1817 prophecies -- with all but the End Times prophecies already fulfilled -- as verified in both secular and religious writings.

 

Therefore, the Written Word of God, the Bible, is the only true revelation from God.  And, the God of the Bible is the only true God.  End of story.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

If bill had been born in a Muslim country, he would be lecturing us on the evils of Christianity. He is a Christian by accident of birth, nothing more. The only people, at least among present company, who have put any thought into what they are, are the atheists. Everybody else is just following the crowd, like sheep. And, like sheep, they are being fleeced.
Originally Posted by Winston Niles Rumfoord:

Dear Atheist,

 

Mind your business and leave us alone.

 

Are you trying to drag people into the darkness with you?

 

There will be many there, so you won't be lonely.

WNR,
What you want is hegemony. You're allowed to make your case for your position, as are we. This is a free and open marketplace of ideas. As such, you may not like everything that is being said, but it's time to grow up and embrace one of the greatest privileges provided by our country. It shouldn't be an assault to you that atheists exists and want to say so out loud.

Why are you so afraid of us speaking up? Why so threatened? You have God on your side, no worries, right? Why are you and others so often personally insulted and offended if your beliefs are questioned? Is it frightening that some people disagree with you? Why do you feel it's ok to promote only your particular beliefs and silence others. Why are we a threat?

Bill,

When I first joined the forum I asked you to prove your claim of "fulfilled" Biblical prophecies. And you ran away from that conversation, as you've done so often, ever since. I'm still waiting. 1817 fulfilled prophecies, prove them. If you can do that I'll prove to you how many of what you call "world religions" (as if yours isn't!) have personal gods with warm relationships and all. I think both of your claims here are bunk. That's two strikes and here's my pitch. Are you going to feign an injury and step away from the plate again?

Hi all,

 

And, that, my Friends -- is Deep and Robust's (Fishy) "Religion of Nothing" of which I speak in my discussion titled "Nothing Comes To Forumland -- To Explain Uno's Dichotomy!"  In that discussion, you will get a much better idea of where Robust and Deep have derived their atheist Religion of Nothing -- and the fact that one day, when we Christians are Raptured -- Robust and Deep will truly have their world which is dominated by the Religion of Nothing -- all atheist, secularists, and vanilla-flavored non-believers.  Yes, sir, there will be a hot time in the old town then -- and for all eternity!!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi all,

 

And, that, my Friends -- is Deep and Robust's (Fishy) "Religion of Nothing" of which I speak in my discussion titled "Nothing Comes To Forumland -- To Explain Uno's Dichotomy!"  In that discussion, you will get a much better idea of where Robust and Deep have derived their atheist Religion of Nothing -- and the fact that one day, when we Christians are Raptured -- Robust and Deep will truly have their world which is dominated by the Religion of Nothing -- all atheist, secularists, and vanilla-flavored non-believers.  Yes, sir, there will be a hot time in the old town then -- and for all eternity!!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

LOL! I knew it    steeerike three!!! You're out Again.

Maybe wiffle ball is more your level...

 

Next!

Bill keeps dragging out the fulfilled prophecies gibberish even more than his tired "nothing comes to the forums" post.  To do both in one thread is a new low. 

 

Using Bill's argument the Qu'ran is also the literal, inerrant Word of God, due to it's fulfilled prophecies, many of which are more recently fulfilled.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi all,

 

And, that, my Friends -- is Deep and Robust's (Fishy) "Religion of Nothing" of which I speak in my discussion titled "Nothing Comes To Forumland -- To Explain Uno's Dichotomy!"  In that discussion, you will get a much better idea of where Robust and Deep have derived their atheist Religion of Nothing -- and the fact that one day, when we Christians are Raptured -- Robust and Deep will truly have their world which is dominated by the Religion of Nothing -- all atheist, secularists, and vanilla-flavored non-believers.  Yes, sir, there will be a hot time in the old town then -- and for all eternity!!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

We will have some 'splaining to do, Lucy! Good morning Bill. Go easy on Deep, my little brother's a sensitive fellow.

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
If bill had been born in a Muslim country, he would be lecturing us on the evils of Christianity. He is a Christian by accident of birth, nothing more. The only people, at least among present company, who have put any thought into what they are, are the atheists. Everybody else is just following the crowd, like sheep. And, like sheep, they are being fleeced.
 
You just better be glad you wasnt born in a muslim country. You wouldnt be talking on these forums. You would have been killed by them along time ago. They kill men who have sex with each other over there. You have it good in America. We dont want nobody killed over here because they like to do it. We are to LOVE the sinner.
Originally Posted by rum_mama:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
If bill had been born in a Muslim country, he would be lecturing us on the evils of Christianity. He is a Christian by accident of birth, nothing more. The only people, at least among present company, who have put any thought into what they are, are the atheists. Everybody else is just following the crowd, like sheep. And, like sheep, they are being fleeced.
 
You just better be glad you wasnt born in a muslim country. You wouldnt be talking on these forums. You would have been killed by them along time ago. They kill men who have sex with each other over there. You have it good in America. We dont want nobody killed over here because they like to do it. We are to LOVE the sinner.


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Tell that to the people in this country that are being killed/threatened with death because they are ***, or thought to be *** like the FIVE YEAR OLD CHILD that was killed. And we've all seen how you "love" the sinner.

 

http://livinglifewithoutanet.w...illed-for-being-***/

 

The link still works even with the word g a y censored.

[Kyle Butt( COC) sez]

On Thursday, September 29, at 7:00 p.m., I will be participating in a formal debate with atheist Blair Scott, the Director of Communications for the American Atheist organization. He was the recipient of the American Atheist of the Year award in 2007 and again in 2010. The proposition for the debate is: “God Does Not Exist.” Mr. Scott will affirm that God does not exist, and I will deny that affirmation.

The debate will be held on the campus of the University of North Alabama (UNA) in the Norton Auditorium. Norton Auditorium seats about 1,500 people, and judging by our experience with past debates, we expect it to be filled to capacity. The seating will be on a first come, first served basis, and there will not be any tickets or any cost to attend the event.[Apologetics Press]

http://www.apologeticspress.org/APContent.aspx?category=12&article=3760

Last edited by Rramnlimnn_TheGreat
Originally Posted by Rramnlimnn_TheGreat:

[Kyle Butt( COC) sez]

On Thursday, September 29, at 7:00 p.m., I will be participating in a formal debate with atheist Blair Scott, the Director of Communications for the American Atheist organization. He was the recipient of the American Atheist of the Year award in 2007 and again in 2010. The proposition for the debate is: “God Does Not Exist.” Mr. Scott will affirm that God does not exist, and I will deny that affirmation.

The debate will be held on the campus of the University of North Alabama (UNA) in the Norton Auditorium. Norton Auditorium seats about 1,500 people, and judging by our experience with past debates, we expect it to be filled to capacity. The seating will be on a first come, first served basis, and there will not be any tickets or any cost to attend the event.[Apologetics Press]

http://www.apologeticspress.org/APContent.aspx?category=12&article=3760

What Scott will argue is that Butt has no proof of the assistance of God. Since Butt will not be able to offer proof, Scott will win. The atheist will always win this type of debate because the believer will not be able to provide any factual evidence to back up his claim for God. Since there is no evidence for God, the atheist has to win any debate which is based on logic and critical thinking. After the debate, Butt will claim victory, but it will be an empty claim, devoid of truth.

Originally Posted by Rramnlimnn_TheGreat:

I can hardly wait for the debate between my man Kyle Butt and blair scott in September.

The debate will be held in Norton Auditorium.

Save me a seat unoi.


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Why debate? The butt's stance will be "god exists cause we say so", the atheist's response will be "we don't accept your word", the butt will then say, "you're going to suffer eternal torture for rejecting/choosing to not believe in our lord".  I wish just one christian had the balls to debate an atheist about all the contradictions in the bible, and the christian would have to do it without saying "I know what it says and it means what it says, it just doesn't mean what it says". 

Originally Posted by Jennifer:
Originally Posted by Rramnlimnn_TheGreat:

I can hardly wait for the debate between my man Kyle Butt and blair scott in September.

The debate will be held in Norton Auditorium.

Save me a seat unoi.


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Why debate? The butt's stance will be "god exists cause we say so", the atheist's response will be "we don't accept your word", the butt will then say, "you're going to suffer eternal torture for rejecting/choosing to not believe in our lord".  I wish just one christian had the balls to debate an atheist about all the contradictions in the bible, and the christian would have to do it without saying "I know what it says and it means what it says, it just doesn't mean what it says". 


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jenn dear my Butt[ Kyle] has such balls. You were not paying attention when Kyle debated smart ass dan barker[ the supposed last word on atheistics] "Does the God of the Bible exist?"

In barkers opening statement he listed 15 or so things he saw as contridictions. The idiot didn't address the debate topic

Kyle tore him a new one. Kyle is so gifted with his ease of proofs barker looked like a idiot.

 

Jenn these alleged contradictions are handled here:

http://www.apologeticspress.or...edDiscrepancies.aspx

The same Sam Harris article is found at the following address  http://richarddawkins.net/articles/139.  Interesting that here an atheist who does not believe the Muslim scriptures is trying to use them as an authority to say Christ is not God's Son or a member of the Godhead. 

 

Much of Islam and Christianity overlap and they both go back to a singular creator/God and that being God/Allah/Jehovah/Elohim or any one of the many Biblical names for God who calls Himself only "I AM".  Both religions go back to the root of Abraham and name many of the same individuals, individuals that atheist want to say don't exist.  People of faith believe the way they do for a reason, a very good reason to them.  To Atheist any belief in Religion or a deity seems to be the result of a delusion or because the person is not intelligent or some other reason other than anything that is potentially valid and true.  At least you did cite where you quoted the text from.

Originally Posted by Rramnlimnn_TheGreat:

Where have you seen him? I don't believe you.


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Uh, he's all over the net and you've put in links to his books and other silly crap. If you don't believe me when i post something there is no reason to post to me.

 

Dumb azz butts:

http://old.apologeticspress.org/articles/2309

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by Rramnlimnn_TheGreat:

 Since Butt will not be able to offer proof, Scott will win.

 

Respectfully, Jimi, you are wrong.

Scott has already said he will not "win" this debate and more than you can win over a Creationist.  What it will do is expose a lot of people to the thought that perhaps what they've been brainwashed into believing all these years is BS.  I would expect 1 in 1000 to seriously question their beliefs because of this debate. 

Originally Posted by gbrk:

Much of Islam and Christianity overlap and they both go back to a singular creator/God and that being God/Allah/Jehovah/Elohim or any one of the many Biblical names for God who calls Himself only "I AM"..

Nice to see a Christian admitting that God and Allah are the same crazy dude.  Good for you, GB.

Wul my Butt [Kyle that is] reassures me he is well prepared and has complete confidence in his sidekick God in the debate.

Unoi I think what will come out of the debate is a resolve to give NO quarter to what the majority of believers never knew lurked in the shadows here in this Godly town.

I think a good time for you and Adot to prance before them in protest to their prayers at council meetings would be circa the finish of the debate while steam is still rising from the atheistic carcases laid waste by my Butt [kyle that is].

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