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Originally posted by b50m:
The point is, God would not tell me to kill my kids. Or any one else. Love thy neighbor and all that.


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Originally posted by b50m:
If God told me to kill my child, I would ask 'why'?


But he asked it of Abraham, so why could he not ask it of you? Doesn't matter if it was in the OT, I hear tell that God can do anything so it's not impossible that he could ask.
You know, testing your faith & all that.

If you would ask why, then wouldn't that mean your faith is not as strong as you think it is?
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
quote:
Originally posted by b50m:
The point is, God would not tell me to kill my kids. Or any one else. Love thy neighbor and all that.


quote:
Originally posted by b50m:
If God told me to kill my child, I would ask 'why'?


But he asked it of Abraham, so why could he not ask it of you? Doesn't matter if it was in the OT, I hear tell that God can do anything so it's not impossible that he could ask.
You know, testing your faith & all that.

If you would ask why, then wouldn't that mean your faith is not as strong as you think it is?

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semi---would you kill your offspring if your god asked???


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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
quote:
Originally posted by b50m:
The point is, God would not tell me to kill my kids. Or any one else. Love thy neighbor and all that.


quote:
Originally posted by b50m:
If God told me to kill my child, I would ask 'why'?


But he asked it of Abraham, so why could he not ask it of you? Doesn't matter if it was in the OT, I hear tell that God can do anything so it's not impossible that he could ask.
You know, testing your faith & all that.

If you would ask why, then wouldn't that mean your faith is not as strong as you think it is?


No, that means I doubt this is God. As VP said, He doesn't talk to us directly. My faith is not as strong as some, it fits me.
NSNS,

who in their right mind would question god? of course i would kill my child if god asked. i'd hope that it would be a test like he played on abraham but if i had to bring the knife down all they way, it would be god's will.

sir, this is a silly question. god does not make requests. he DEMANDS. if asked, you WILL comply.
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Originally posted by prince albert:
God never speaks Today to anyone but through his Word the Bible, He spoke to People in the OT and he spoke to Saul on the Road to Demascus, also to Annanias but not Today.
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This is not that important PA, just wondering why God doesn't talk
to people today?

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Never argue with an Idiot, they will bring you down to their level and then beat you with Experience.
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Originally posted by b50m:
He DEMANDS!

Haven't had that happen to me. Must be another god.


b50,

didn't you watch "the godfather"? when don corleone asks you do do him a favor out of the goodness of your heart, you best read that as a demand.

god is the godfather of all gods. he makes it very clear what will happen if you ignore his "request." it's an offer you can't resist.
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You and VP are incorrect. God does speak to me. I hope that you will hear Him sooner than later.


No, what I said was that if a person heard God tell them to kill a child, that would not be the voice of God they are hearing.

I believe that God speaks to us. In fact, sometimes when I am in prayer, at Adoration or some other quiet time, I clear my mind completely just to listen. Smiler
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Originally posted by vplee123:
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You and VP are incorrect. God does speak to me. I hope that you will hear Him sooner than later.


No, what I said was that if a person heard God tell them to kill a child, that would not be the voice of God they are hearing.

I believe that God speaks to us. In fact, sometimes when I am in prayer, at Adoration or some other quiet time, I clear my mind completely just to listen. Smiler


veep... follow closely. You hear god. You just said so. You know when it's him, right?

Here's the premise: The familiar voice of god has just told you to kill your child.

Either the True God has told you to do a nasty thing, or you've been hallucinating the whole time. It's one or the other.

Kill or not?

nsns
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In truth, you've been talking to yourself.


No...Truly not.
The only time I talk to myself is when I'm telling my kids to DO something. Big Grin

Do I hear a booming voice over loudspeaker? No. It's not that way, NSNS. It's an intimate connection. If you haven't felt it, it's not explainable. An intangible.
But nobody can ever "change my mind" because I **know** the quiet conversations with our Lord are real. And like I said earlier, sometimes the most fruitful "conversations" are those in which I clear my mind and just listen....Smiler
You don't have to "get" it- I understand that you need concrete evidence. I cannot provide that, in a way that is demonstrable to someone else.
But we can still respect one anothers stance. Smiler
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Originally posted by vplee123:
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In truth, you've been talking to yourself.


No...Truly not.
The only time I talk to myself is when I'm telling my kids to DO something. Big Grin

Do I hear a booming voice over loudspeaker? No. It's not that way, NSNS. It's an intimate connection. If you haven't felt it, it's not explainable. An intangible.
But nobody can ever "change my mind" because I **know** the quiet conversations with our Lord are real. And like I said earlier, sometimes the most fruitful "conversations" are those in which I clear my mind and just listen....Smiler
You don't have to "get" it- I understand that you need concrete evidence. I cannot provide that, in a way that is demonstrable to someone else.
But we can still respect one anothers stance. Smiler

Hi VP,

So true! God does speak to Christian believers through His Written Word and through answered prayers. And, on rare occasions, which I cannot define, I know He does speak audibly to some. He has His own reason for the way He communicates to each of us -- and as the Bible tells us, His thoughts are far above our thoughts. We just have to hear, believe, and give thanks.

I agree with you completely.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
If you answer Yes, here's another question for you. Would you kill your own child if god told you to? Abraham style?

nsns


With your beliefs being as they are it would be most difficult to give you an acceptable answer. I do know that I would have great doubt as to weather I was hearibng God because the command would be confusing what with the THOU NSHALT NOT KILL thingy. But in the Book of Mormon, Nephi Was commanded to kill Labon and at first he shirked but in that case was told that it was better that one man die than an entire nation fall because of unbelief.
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Originally posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
thenagel,

God spoke to you once. He could again. Now, let me repeat the premise: God DID speak to you, and told you to kill your own child. And he wants YOU to do it.

Would you do it?


nsns


i answered that in the last one, bud...

i repeat....

and no - i absoloutly would not. i wouldn't even entertain the idea as a possibility.
if God wants someone dead, i'm pretty sure he's powerful enough to do the job himself, without getting me or anyone else to act as his trigger-man.

the idea puts me in mind of star trek 5? maybe 6?
the one where Kirk says: " Excuse me? but, why does God need my spaceship?"

if he needs me to off someone, then it's not really God speaking to me.. also, if it's God testing me, then go on and mark a big old Fail on the thing cause it's not gonna happen.


i'll add, to make it completly clear...

No.

i'll leave out the reasons why not, because they might cloud the issue.
if you wanna know, i'll answer, but i'm just sticking with the bottom line for now because i want to make sure it's clear to everyone... even bill Smiler
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Originally posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Windy,

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. I'm admitting, for sake of argument, that you hear god. That much is indisputable.
But he has told you to kill your child.
Would you do it?

nsns

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ns.........If God told me to kill somebody, I would say sure, unless
its nsns, then no!! I could never kill him, not the man of a hundred names.

Don't thank me


Iv
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Originally posted by thenagel:
quote:
Originally posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
thenagel,

God spoke to you once. He could again. Now, let me repeat the premise: God DID speak to you, and told you to kill your own child. And he wants YOU to do it.

Would you do it?


nsns


i answered that in the last one, bud...

i repeat....

and no - i absoloutly would not. i wouldn't even entertain the idea as a possibility.
if God wants someone dead, i'm pretty sure he's powerful enough to do the job himself, without getting me or anyone else to act as his trigger-man.

the idea puts me in mind of star trek 5? maybe 6?
the one where Kirk says: " Excuse me? but, why does God need my spaceship?"

if he needs me to off someone, then it's not really God speaking to me.. also, if it's God testing me, then go on and mark a big old Fail on the thing cause it's not gonna happen.


i'll add, to make it completly clear...

No.

i'll leave out the reasons why not, because they might cloud the issue.
if you wanna know, i'll answer, but i'm just sticking with the bottom line for now because i want to make sure it's clear to everyone... even bill Smiler


Score 10 respect points for thenagel.

nsns
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Originally posted by vplee123:
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But we can still respect one anothers stance.


No we can't. Respect is earned and I could never respect anyone who believes this kind of crap.


Exactly. Respect is earned. I have never disrespected you in any way and would expect the same courtesy.
Back off, please.
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Originally posted by Unobtanium:
quote:
Originally posted by prince albert:
God never speaks Today to anyone but through his Word the Bible, He spoke to People in the OT and he spoke to Saul on the Road to Demascus, also to Annanias but not Today.


are you calling this woman a liar?

http://articles.cnn.com/2004-0...luke-laney?_s=PM:LAW


Yes, her and anybody else that says God speaks to them. God spoke in Olden times mostly through Dreams.

Heb 1:1 God, having of old time spoken unto the fathers in the prophets by divers portions and in divers manners,
Heb 1:2 hath at the end of these days spoken unto us in his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the worlds;

Divers Manners(different ways)
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quote:
Originally posted by vplee123:
No...Truly not.
The only time I talk to myself is when I'm telling my kids to DO something. Big Grin

Do I hear a booming voice over loudspeaker? No. It's not that way, NSNS. It's an intimate connection. If you haven't felt it, it's not explainable. An intangible.
But nobody can ever "change my mind" because I **know** the quiet conversations with our Lord are real. And like I said earlier, sometimes the most fruitful "conversations" are those in which I clear my mind and just listen....Smiler
You don't have to "get" it- I understand that you need concrete evidence. I cannot provide that, in a way that is demonstrable to someone else.
But we can still respect one anothers stance. Smiler


quote:
Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi VP,
So true! God does speak to Christian believers through His Written Word and through answered prayers.
We just have to hear, believe, and give thanks.
I agree with you completely.
Bill


You agree with VP???? You've always implied that you don't believe she's saved & a Christian because she's Catholic.
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
quote:
Originally posted by vplee123:
No...Truly not.
The only time I talk to myself is when I'm telling my kids to DO something. Do I hear a booming voice over loudspeaker? No. It's not that way, NSNS. It's an intimate connection. If you haven't felt it, it's not explainable. An intangible. But nobody can ever "change my mind" because I **know** the quiet conversations with our Lord are real. And like I said earlier, sometimes the most fruitful "conversations" are those in which I clear my mind and just listen.... You don't have to "get" it- I understand that you need concrete evidence. I cannot provide that, in a way that is demonstrable to someone else.
But we can still respect one anothers stance.

Hi VP,

So true! God does speak to Christian believers through His Written Word and through answered prayers. And, on rare occasions, which I cannot define, I know He does speak audibly to some. He has His own reason for the way He communicates to each of us -- and as the Bible tells us, His thoughts are far above our thoughts. We just have to hear, believe, and give thanks. I agree with you completely.

You agree with VP???? You've always implied that you don't believe she's saved & a Christian because she's Catholic.

Hi Chick,

Most certainly. I agree with anyone who speaks Biblical truth. It doesn't matter which church a person attends -- for we are not saved by a church. If a person is a Christian believer and has, by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ received His "free gift" of eternal life -- he/she is a Christian.

But, regardless, even if Deep spoke a Biblical truth (not likely, but supposing) -- then, I would agree with him, also.

I have no animosity toward VP, nor any other Roman Catholic. But, many of their church doctrines I find not to be Biblical. Yet, as I said -- if they, by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ have received Him -- we are Christian brothers and sisters.

How about you? Why don't you give God a try and join us in the Family of God. If you do, you will be eternally grateful.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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