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Firearms in Europe are supposedly severely controlled.  Comments in the reality from a London Telegraph blogger.

"Like everyone else, my first reaction was horror. I get queasy watching a Hollywood fight scene, so the idea of people being gunned down in cold blood was unbearable. I could imagine the scene all too clearly. When I worked for a French magazine publisher, I was at plenty of editorial meetings, none of which ended with two men firing AK47s. The worst ending we ever experienced was a marketing person snarling at us to change our cover to make it more “grand public” (mass-market). It feels shameful now to remember how heated our trivial arguments used to become.

 

I must confess, though, that I wasn’t exactly surprised by the attack. First of all, there have been plenty of shootings with AK47s in France recently. They seem to be as trendy as iPhones. They even have a slang name in French – “une kalache“. Most of them are apparently in the Marseille area, in the possession of drug gangs, but they also get sold on to the rest of France. A couple of years ago, only three or four kilometres from where I live, some Polish men were walking to a birthday party when they were stopped by two muggers, one of whom had a Kalashnikov. When the Poles refused to hand over their money, the gunman let rip, killing one victim and shooting his friend in the foot. The police caught them soon afterwards, after a man arrived at a nearby hospital complaining that he’d lost some of his toes in an accident. It sounds insane, but it’s true, and the surviving Poles were probably lucky that their mugger hadn’t had any weapons training."

 

http://my.telegraph.co.uk/expa...r-or-peace-in-paris/

 

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Most ships involved in reported cases of sanctions-busting or illicit transfers of arms, drugs and equipment that could be used in the development of missiles and weapons of mass destruction are owned by companies based in the world's richest countries, according to the first comprehensive study of maritime trafficking.

 

The ships are primarily commercial lines based in Germany, Greece and the US, according to the report, released on Monday by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.

 

"This doesn't mean the ship owners, or even the captains, know what they are carrying. But it is relatively easy for traffickers to hide arms and drugs in among legitimate cargoes," said the report's co-author Hugh Griffiths.

http://www.theguardian.com/wor...ng-report-guns-drugs

 

It's too difficult to inspect all the shipping containers in the world. Given our own porous southern border, I'm surprised that trucks pulling howitzers haven't been seen crossing the border.

Originally Posted by Stanky:

Most ships involved in reported cases of sanctions-busting or illicit transfers of arms, drugs and equipment that could be used in the development of missiles and weapons of mass destruction are owned by companies based in the world's richest countries, according to the first comprehensive study of maritime trafficking.

 

The ships are primarily commercial lines based in Germany, Greece and the US, according to the report, released on Monday by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.

 

"This doesn't mean the ship owners, or even the captains, know what they are carrying. But it is relatively easy for traffickers to hide arms and drugs in among legitimate cargoes," said the report's co-author Hugh Griffiths.

http://www.theguardian.com/wor...ng-report-guns-drugs

 

It's too difficult to inspect all the shipping containers in the world. Given our own porous southern border, I'm surprised that trucks pulling howitzers haven't been seen crossing the border.

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Those are in the containers. 

Originally Posted by OldSalt:

So, the criminal elements continue to be able to obtain firearms in European nations where, basically, all firearms are banned.  Didn't see that coming, did we?

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Other unforeseen consequences, London is now one of the most violent cities in western Europe.

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Wait...so are you guys saying that since firearms are becoming more prevalent in EU that gun violence is going up? 

 

 


LOL, Jank.  Surely even you know the difference between the prevalence of law abiding citizen gun ownership and criminal gun ownership.  Which one of these do you think is going to obey gun laws?

Last edited by Mr. Hooberbloob
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Wait...so are you guys saying that since firearms are becoming more prevalent in EU that gun violence is going up? 

 

 


LOL, Jank.  Surely even you know the difference between the prevalence of law abiding citizen gun ownership and criminal gun ownership.  Which one of these do you think is going to obey gun laws?

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 Obviously EU is seeing a rise in gun violence with the rise in gun availability. I would think that even you could see the connection. Maybe not. Also the majority of guns used in murders were obtained legally. So....I guess I would say those law abiding citizens didn't stay law abiding citizens. That's the thing about people, they are unpredictable. 

 

London is still safer than NYC. By a long shot. If they allow more guns into their countries they will see their gun violence increase to US levels, which are significantly higher than any other developed country.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...ating_b_4405153.html

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Wait...so are you guys saying that since firearms are becoming more prevalent in EU that gun violence is going up? 

 

 


LOL, Jank.  Surely even you know the difference between the prevalence of law abiding citizen gun ownership and criminal gun ownership.  Which one of these do you think is going to obey gun laws?

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 Obviously EU is seeing a rise in gun violence with the rise in gun availability. I would think that even you could see the connection. Maybe not. Also the majority of guns used in murders were obtained legally. So....I guess I would say those law abiding citizens didn't stay law abiding citizens. That's the thing about people, they are unpredictable. 

 

London is still safer than NYC. By a long shot. If they allow more guns into their countries they will see their gun violence increase to US levels, which are significantly higher than any other developed country.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...ating_b_4405153.html

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Jank, M'dear, I'll explain it to you.  In the US, as the number of legally owned firearms has risen, the crime rate has fallen.  In Europe, while the number or legally owned firearms had dropped, the number of illegally owned firearms has risen, as has the violent crime rate, 

Violent crime is dropping in the US,, but rising in Europe.

 

"Analysis of figures from the European Commission showed a 77 per cent increase   in murders, robberies, assaults and sexual offences in the UK since Labour   came to power.

 

The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher   than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and   South Africa.

 

Opposition leaders said the disclosures were a "****ing indictment"   of the Government's failure to tackle deep-rooted social problems.

 

The figures combined crime statistics for England, Wales, Scotland and   Northern Ireland. 

The UK had a greater number of murders in 2007 than any other EU country – 927    – and at a relative rate higher than most western European neighbours,   including France, Germany, Italy and Spain."

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...pital-of-Europe.html

 

In the US, gangs are the main cause and contributor to violent crime. NYC broke the back of the gangs under Giuliani.  Chi-town, Detroit and other cities dominated by Democrats for decades refuse to confront the problem . Break the back of the gangs,

Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Wait...so are you guys saying that since firearms are becoming more prevalent in EU that gun violence is going up? 

 

 


LOL, Jank.  Surely even you know the difference between the prevalence of law abiding citizen gun ownership and criminal gun ownership.  Which one of these do you think is going to obey gun laws?

________________________

 

 Obviously EU is seeing a rise in gun violence with the rise in gun availability. I would think that even you could see the connection. Maybe not. Also the majority of guns used in murders were obtained legally. So....I guess I would say those law abiding citizens didn't stay law abiding citizens. That's the thing about people, they are unpredictable. 

 

London is still safer than NYC. By a long shot. If they allow more guns into their countries they will see their gun violence increase to US levels, which are significantly higher than any other developed country.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...ating_b_4405153.html

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Jank, M'dear, I'll explain it to you.  In the US, as the number of legally owned firearms has risen, the crime rate has fallen.  In Europe, while the number or legally owned firearms had dropped, the number of illegally owned firearms has risen, as has the violent crime rate, 

This is a fact that the gun banners just hate but cannot get past!!!

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Wait...so are you guys saying that since firearms are becoming more prevalent in EU that gun violence is going up? 

 

 


LOL, Jank.  Surely even you know the difference between the prevalence of law abiding citizen gun ownership and criminal gun ownership.  Which one of these do you think is going to obey gun laws?

________________________

 

 Obviously EU is seeing a rise in gun violence with the rise in gun availability. I would think that even you could see the connection. Maybe not. Also the majority of guns used in murders were obtained legally. So....I guess I would say those law abiding citizens didn't stay law abiding citizens. That's the thing about people, they are unpredictable. 

 

London is still safer than NYC. By a long shot. If they allow more guns into their countries they will see their gun violence increase to US levels, which are significantly higher than any other developed country.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...ating_b_4405153.html


If you think guns make people criminals, then forks must have made you fat, not unpredictable

Last edited by Mr. Hooberbloob
Originally Posted by direstraits:

Violent crime is dropping in the US,, but rising in Europe.

 

"Analysis of figures from the European Commission showed a 77 per cent increase   in murders, robberies, assaults and sexual offences in the UK since Labour   came to power.

 

The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher   than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and   South Africa.

 

Opposition leaders said the disclosures were a "****ing indictment"   of the Government's failure to tackle deep-rooted social problems.

 

The figures combined crime statistics for England, Wales, Scotland and   Northern Ireland. 

The UK had a greater number of murders in 2007 than any other EU country – 927    – and at a relative rate higher than most western European neighbours,   including France, Germany, Italy and Spain."

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...pital-of-Europe.html

 

In the US, gangs are the main cause and contributor to violent crime. NYC broke the back of the gangs under Giuliani.  Chi-town, Detroit and other cities dominated by Democrats for decades refuse to confront the problem . Break the back of the gangs,

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****, who knew gangs were such a problem in Alaska! 

 

Alaska has the highest rate of gun fatalities in the country, according to data from 2013. The state saw 19.59 deaths per 100,000 people, which is significantly above the national average of 10.64 deaths per 100,000. VPC's report indicates that Alaska also has the country's third-highest rate of gun ownership, with firearms in 60.6% percent of households.

 

The study found a similar correlation between gun ownership and gun deaths in the rest of the country. Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi and Wyoming, the states that followed Alaska in terms of highest gun death rates, had some of the nation's largest percentages of households owning guns.

VPC also noted that states with weaker gun laws tend to see higher gun death rates. All five states named above have gun restrictions that the report's authors describe as "lax."

The study defined states with weak gun laws as those that don't add extra provisions to federal gun laws, such as banning assault weapons or requiring a permit to buy a gun. In addition, states with open or concealed carry laws were considered to have weak gun restrictions.

States with the lowest gun death rates -- the top three were Hawaii, Massachusetts and New York -- were found to have strong gun laws as well as low rates of gun ownership. A separate 2013 analysis from the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence similarly found that these three states were among those with the strongest gun restrictions in place.

A number of previous studies have linked gun laws and gun ownership with deaths by gun violence, challenging the "more guns, less crime" hypothesis that suggests a higher rate of gun ownership makes communities safer. The Violence Policy Center published a similar study last year, using data from 2011. According to the two studies, between 2011 and 2013, the five states with the highest percentages of gun-owning households saw a noticeable spike in gun deaths per 100,00 residents.

Another recent report from researchers at Johns Hopkins and Stanford Universities found a positive link in all 50 states between right-to-carry laws and a rise in violent crimes.

 

 

 

http://crimepreventionresearch...es-across-countries/

 

Many gun control advocates prefer to look at only firearm homicides, not total murders. The United States has neither the highest firearm homicide rates for all countries or for developed countries. Among OECD countries, Mexico has the highest firearms homicide rate, with a rate about 3 times higher than the US rate.

 

By the way, despite Israel and Switzerland having very high gun possession rates, their firearm homicide rates are extremely low. In the data shown below, Switzerland had a firearms homicide rate of 0.77 per 100,000 people and Israel has a rate of just 0.09 per 100,000.

 

Note that there are many countries that clearly have higher gun homicide rates than the United States that don’t have data available. Indeed, while 192 countries report total homicides, only 116 countries report firearm homicides. The average homicide rate for the countries that don’t have firearm homicides is 11.1 per 100,000. The median homicide rate for those that are missing is 8.7 per 100,000. Among the countries with higher homicide rates is Russia with a homicide rate of 11.6. The bottom line is that the countries that are missing the data are among the worst homicide countries.

 

http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Screen-Shot-2013-12-17-at-Tuesday-December-17-11.35-AM.png

 

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