Fox should drop "News" from its name. This woman probably thinks David Barton is a historian, too.
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Should have been watching msnbc. They probably call him a "white hispanic", or saying she should have **** shoved into her mouth.
Crusty is an ignorant of history as most progressives. Saint Nicholas was a Greek. Later the area was conquered by the Turks.
That said, I have no problem with black Santas. When a progressive calls Fox, Faux, you know he's grasping. That one news site out polls the rest.
Fox should drop "News" from its name. This woman probably thinks David Barton is a historian, too.
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Crusty is an ignorant of history as most progressives. Saint Nicholas was a Greek. Later the area was conquered by the Turks.
That said, I have no problem with black Santas. When a progressive calls Fox, Faux, you know he's grasping. That one news site out polls the rest.
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So you are agreeing that both St. Nicholas and Jesus were Caucasian? If you believe that, please don't call me "ignorant" of history. Fox News is not a news channel. It is a network that promotes a fairly narrow political agenda.
Fox should drop "News" from its name. This woman probably thinks David Barton is a historian, too.
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Welcome to Alabama! Cut your grass or we'll whoop your ass. -- NashBama
un til them go OBAMA and hang in their. -- rechardbettyrey
you are the most dishonest person I havem ever met on the Religion Forum! -- Bill Gray
Were you coming off of a bad 'high', or what, when you wrote your tag line????
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I didn't write anything. If you will pay attention, you will see that they are all quotes by people on these forums.
Crusty, both Jesus and St. Nicholas would probably be Caucasian:
Conceived as one of the great races, alongside Mongoloid and Negroid, it was taken to consist of a number of "subraces". The Caucasoid peoples were usually divided in three groups on linguistic grounds, termed Aryan (Indo-European), Semitic (Semitic languages), and Hamitic (Berber-Cu****ic-Egyptian).
The postulated subraces vary depending on the author, including but not limited to Basic Mediterranean, Atlanto-Mediterranean, Irano-Afghan Mediterranean, Nordic, Alpine, Dinaric, Armenoid and Hamitic.[29]
Well, since there is no santa I don't see what it matters who thinks he's what color. IF there was a man named jesus, same thing, who cares? So fox shouldn't be called a news program because of this, yet programs that always puts a leftist slant on reports, cleans up or ignores the news if it's unflattering to the left, ALTERS a 911 tape, labels a man a "white hispanic" to stir people up, calls a woman that shoots an intruder coming into her house "gun happy", and a "reporter" that says a woman should have **** put in her mouth are somehow OK.
Crusty, both Jesus and St. Nicholas would probably be Caucasian:
Conceived as one of the great races, alongside Mongoloid and Negroid, it was taken to consist of a number of "subraces". The Caucasoid peoples were usually divided in three groups on linguistic grounds, termed Aryan (Indo-European), Semitic (Semitic languages), and Hamitic (Berber-Cu****ic-Egyptian).
The postulated subraces vary depending on the author, including but not limited to Basic Mediterranean, Atlanto-Mediterranean, Irano-Afghan Mediterranean, Nordic, Alpine, Dinaric, Armenoid and Hamitic.[29]
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if it weren't for that pesky description, in your bible!
if it weren't for that pesky description, in your bible!
Alright crash, I'm not a biblical scholar, so I would like to know the passage you are referring to. I believe that the area in which Jesus lived was an area with a majority of Semitic Caucasians. I guess I forgot that Jesus was half divine and half Semite. I guess you have a picture of God to post to show his skin tone.
Crusty is an ignorant of history as most progressives. Saint Nicholas was a Greek. Later the area was conquered by the Turks.
That said, I have no problem with black Santas. When a progressive calls Fox, Faux, you know he's grasping. That one news site out polls the rest.
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So you are agreeing that both St. Nicholas and Jesus were Caucasian? If you believe that, please don't call me "ignorant" of history. Fox News is not a news channel. It is a network that promotes a fairly narrow political agenda.
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St. Nicholas was a Greek who loved in the eastern Roman Empire, which was conquered by the Ottoman Turks. Greeks are white. Jesus was at least half Jewish. Jews are from the same stock as Arabs, Both are white (although there are black Jews from Ethiopia). Yes, Jesus was white.
Fox is a news channel -- certainly less prejudiced that MSNBC, CNN or two of the three broadcast channels. Lefties just can't stand for anyone to not agree with their party line.
ok, you got me... jesus was a white man, but he was born from woman of jewish ethnicity.
Really does matter about his ethnicity -- he was divinity brought to earth, to share the human experience and bring grace to man.
funny... i don't see where it matters either, except to the rt. wing religious nuts.. and then, he HAS to be white... after all, white ppl are god's chosen race. oh, wait.... that doesn't seem right.
Crash, it seems to matter to you about the ethnicity of Jesus. I thought that the great spanking of the nationalist socialists during the first half of the 1940s' would have ended the matter of Hebrews being part of the human race, at least in non-Muslim countries. If Jesus were born in China from the local people, it would be historically correct that Jesus be depicted as Asian. If Jesus were born in central Africa, it would be appropriate to portray him as black.
you do realize people of mideastern descent aren't "white", right?
`Crash,
The Semitic people that include Arab and Jew are Caucasoid, not Negroid or Mongoloid -- the three major groups. Nor, are they members of the minority groups such as Australoid, `Seljuk Turk, or Capoid.
Crash, Jesus would be a dark haired and olive skinned Semitic Caucasian by anthropologist standards:
The physical traits of Caucasoid crania are still recognised as distinct (in contrast to Mongoloid and Negroid races) within modern forensic anthropology. A Caucasoid skull is identified, with an accuracy of up to 95%, by the following features:[24][25][26][27][28]
Other physical characteristics of Caucasoids include hair texture that varies from straight to curly,[3] with wavy (cymotrichous) hair most typical on average according to Coon (1962), in contrast to the Negroid and Mongoloid races. Individual hairs are also rarely as sp****ly distributed and co**** as found in Mongoloids.[3]
Skin color amongst Caucasoids ranges greatly from pale, reddish-white, olive, through to dark brown tones.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race
It doesn't matter to me about the whiteness of Jesus's skin, nor does his race or sub-race. I am just pointing out that the historical Jesus probably would not be a blond, blue-eyed North European or Black African man. As far as the term "Caucasian", I suspect that over 99% of
Caucasians live somewhere else than the Caucasus Mountains.
For religious purposes, I don't care how Jesus is portrayed. I'm sure he would be happy to be portrayed as a two-headed Martian if missionaries make it that far. Also I don't care if you believe that Jesus was a historical figure or a part of God experiencing human existence. Everyone has the right to believe in the god of his choice, whether that god is an invisible architect of the universe, the image you see in your mirror, or the plastic Obama idol that you expect to deliver freshly printed Washington manna.
you do realize this entire thread is devoted to the race of santa and jesus. if it doesn't matter to you... why are you in this thread arguing for them to both be represented by a "white guy"? one clue would be your undying devotion to the republican party.
Crash, yes, this thread has run far afield. Its obvious you, and others, attempted to bait racist remarks. Instead, you received replies commenting on the scientific nature of statements and that the race didn't matter as to the vessel the divinity occupied when He was incarnate.
As a fall back, you blamed everything on Republican worship. Actually, most of the commenters appear to be conservative. Now, please be at peace. Tape a spring of mistletoe on the mirror so you can kiss the one person who admires you.
dire, i only issued the "blanket statement" after you and slimey decided it was a 'liberal issue'... then why was the topic started and why do all the conservatives make issue with the race of either of the two? funny how you always 'call out' the liberals for doing the EXACT same thing the conservatives do, every day. hypocritical much?
btw, i hung the mistletoe from the back belt loop on my pants... you can feel free to come kiss what is directly under the mistletoe!
CrustyMac started this thread over a video of Megan Kelly complaining about converting the traditional non-religious Santa Claus into a race neutral penguin. Crusty later added the incorrect statement that Jesus and Saint Nicholas were not Caucasian. It was to that factually incorrect response that I replied. It was you Crash who has the problem of Jesus being a non lily-white Caucasian. I guess that wing of socialists didn't die out.
Casper is caucasian.
Our lefties would be comfortable working for MSNBC, where the truth and facts died long ago from neglect.
I don't need Fox news to tell me what the left is doing, I see it every day. No one, not msnbc, cnn, any of the left's media attack dogs, can paint a pretty face on the train wreck that is in office now. BTW, it is so interesting to see all the hoopla surrounding what kelly said, yet not one word about the racist article that prompted her joking response, and yes, it was joking imo. I think harris is the one full of it.
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Two decades later, America is less and less white, but a melanin-deficient Santa remains the default in commercials, mall casting calls, and movies. Isn’t it time that our image of Santa better serve all the children he delights each Christmas?
Yes, it is. And so I propose that America abandon Santa-as-fat-old-white-man and create a new symbol of Christmas cheer. From here on out, Santa Claus should be a penguin.
That’s right: a penguin.
Why, you ask? For one thing, making Santa Claus an animal rather than an old white male could spare millions of nonwhite kids the insecurity and shame that I remember from childhood. Whether you celebrate the holiday or not, Santa is one of the first iconic figures foisted upon you:
As a kid growing up, in Sheffield, I believed that Santa was a white guy but never thought of him as such. He was just Santa. Not sure those who think that he, Santa should be a woman, GLBT, or some person of color tell me when you started thinking like that. After your college education, obtaining your Master's degree or even your Doctorate. Funny how an educated person is just that, educated but not smart.
so, to sum this all up... a lady on fox news entertainment thinks jesus and st. nic are white guys. the rest of the world, except for rt. wingnuts, accept that neither were white. now, it's only a 'liberal issue'. does that make sense to anyone?
Crash is denying reality, again.
Speaking of flaming racists besides harris, what's up with al sharpton? Saw him spewing his hate on msnbc and the man looks like a bobble head.
Crash is denying reality, again.
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exactly what part of what i said is "denying reality"?
This thread shows evidence the historical persons were Caucasian. That's the reality. However, that's not important. What they represent is what's important.
One only has to review the Catholic church's view of Christ's sacrifice for the universe. If, life exists in the universe, Christ's one sacrifice is sufficient for the salvation of the universe. However, their theologians also posit that there may have been multiple sacrifices in each world with intelligent life. Those life forms could be of a number of shapes and hues.
Again, my only objection is one of history and what facts may be gleaned. I've seen a Madonna in Spain that by tradition is believed to be carved and painted from life by St. Luke in Cyprus when Mary was elderly. She appears to have the hue from seeweed's picture.
Again, my only objection is one of history and what facts may be gleaned. I've seen a Madonna in Spain that by tradition is believed to be carved and painted from life by St. Luke in Cyprus when Mary was elderly. She appears to have the hue from seeweed's picture.
This thread shows evidence the historical persons were Caucasian. That's the reality. However, that's not important. What they represent is what's important.
wait... did you just pull a 'romney'?
Most people have a mental image of Jesus which most likely comes from either the Leonardo da Vinci 15th century painting of Jesus at the Last Supper or one derived from that where Jesus is portrayed as a white man with long flowing brown locks of hair. Frankly NO ONE knows what Jesus looked like, most certainly not Leonardo da Vinci. Additionally those alive during Christ ministry would have never heard the name Jesus, as pronounced today in English but rather would have heard it pronounced more like Yeshua or what sounds like (yea-seuse). Actually Jesus is the Greek form of Joshua which means "The Lord Saves".. As for what Christ looked like it was not a black man or a white man but a middle eastern man similar to all the others born in that region or Israel and Palestine.
see: http://www.popularmechanics.co...th/forensics/1282186
You hear from time to time people saying I saw the face of Jesus in a tree or in the sky in the clouds but actually no one knows what Jesus looked like nor do we know what Mary looked like or any of the Disciples or Apostles.
As for Santa being white, for a great many people he is and was but for some they grew up with a black santa or someone that looked like they did.
This is just making too much of nothing. Must have been a slow news day but at least when it was reported there were several sides presented and represented. Megan, I believe, made some inaccurate statements but I don't believe she was being racist nor is racist. I also believe that Fox News is still the best source of news today and from the ratings several more believe that way also for Fox's viewership more than equals all of CNN, MSNBC, NBC, together. All of these stations present skewed viewpoints at times but with Fox you usually get more sides and more stories than with any of the other stations who so often hide or conceal their agenda behind news when it's actually very biased or strictly commentary.