For once and for all

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Just a suggestion: It would be a smart idea to discover this Who; for He is the ONLY WAY to eternal life with God. No other mediator or mediatress; no Co-Redeemer; only ONE Way and ONE Person through which we can all "choose" to be saved.

As indeed it would be smart to study the LIFE of Jesus, not just the words...and find out what kind of man he is. Humble, Loving, Never Condescending..... Kind to all, choosing His words very carefully, teaching with authority but not arrogance...
and learn how to walk the walk.

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Originally posted by vplee123:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Just a suggestion: It would be a smart idea to discover this Who; for He is the ONLY WAY to eternal life with God. No other mediator or mediatress; no Co-Redeemer; only ONE Way and ONE Person through which we can all "choose" to be saved.

As indeed it would be smart to study the LIFE of Jesus, not just the words...and find out what kind of man he is. Humble, Loving, Never Condescending..... Kind to all, choosing His words very carefully, teaching with authority but not arrogance... and learn how to walk the walk.

Hi VP,

Let me see. Now how was it Jesus handled the money changers in the Temple?

Matthew 21:12, "And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves."

Mark 11:15, "Then they came to Jerusalem. And He entered the temple and began to drive out those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves;"

John 2:14, "And He found in the temple those who were selling oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers seated at their tables."

John 2:15, "And He made a scourge of cords, and drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen; and He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables;"

Of course, you can deny knowledge of this -- for it is not written in your book of Traditions. But, I do have to wonder. If He got this upset about the commercialism in His Father's temple -- how upset do you think He is about having the Roman Catholic church declare that He is NOT the only Mediator between God and man? It must really tick Him off to have the Pope tell Him that Mary is His Co-Redeemer -- when He is the One who suffered and died on the cross.

I wonder how ticked off He is when He tells us, "I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but through Me" (John 14:6) -- and the Roman Catholic church tells Him, "No, we have decided that You are NOT the only Way. Mary is now Your Co-Redeemer!"

I do believe that the money changers in the temple are small change compared to the Roman Catholic church telling Him that He is NOT the only Way to God anymore.

Something to think about. God and the Bible tell us one thing. Then, the Popes, et al, tell us another. Gee, I wonder who we should believe? Tell us, VP, who should we believe: God or the Pope?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

And how ticked off will He be when you tell Him baptism is not necessary for salvation, even though He himself was baptized?

Even though you claim the faith Baptist?

Even though the Baptist Convention says to follow Jesus' example and be baptized?

From the Baptist General Conference:

http://www.convergeworldwide.org/content/view/194/69/


9. The Ordinances
We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ has committed two ordinances to the local church: baptism and the Lord's Supper. We believe that Christian baptism is the immersion of a believer in water into the name of the triune God. We believe that the Lord's Supper was instituted by Christ for commemoration of His death. We believe that these two ordinances should be observed and administered until the return of the Lord Jesus Christ.

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Originally posted by b50m:
And how ticked off will He be when you tell Him baptism is not necessary for salvation, even though He himself was baptized? Even though you claim the faith Baptist? Even though the Baptist Convention says to follow Jesus' example and be baptized?

From the Baptist General Conference:

http://www.convergeworldwide.org/content/view/194/69/

9. The Ordinances
We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ has committed two ordinances to the local church: baptism and the Lord's Supper. We believe that Christian baptism is the immersion of a believer in water into the name of the triune God. We believe that the Lord's Supper was instituted by Christ for commemoration of His death. We believe that these two ordinances should be observed and administered until the return of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Hi B,

There was never a question that all believers should be baptized. With that I am in full agreement.

However -- and please do not skip over that word -- however, the baptism does not affect one's salvation. Baptism does NOT save anyone.

A person is saved by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ -- plus NOTHING ELSE (Ephesians 2:8-9).

AFTER a person is saved, he/she then is baptized to declare to the world that we are Christ Followers.

Baptism and Communion are two ordinances we do "in remembrance of Him and what He has done for us" -- until He returns.

Thank you for sharing that with us.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

You have repeatedly said baptism is not necessary and that it does not involve water.

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Originally posted by b50m:
You have repeatedly said baptism is not necessary and that it does not involve water.

Hi B,

Not true! I have said that baptism does not affect our salvation. We are NOT saved through or by baptism. I have said that a person is saved, by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ -- plus NOTHING ELSE (Ephesians 2:8-9).

I have said that AFTER a person is saved -- he/she should be baptized. Jesus left us this ordinance and it is a way we declare to the world that we are Christ Followers.

However, if a person has been saved -- yet, has not had an opportunity to be baptized and dies -- that person is just as saved as anyone and WILL spend eternity in heaven with God.

Regarding the "water" -- I have always said that baptism should be by total immersion; for that is the Biblical meaning of the word "baptize."

Your confusion may because I disputed that the "water" in John 3:5 means baptism. "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." I believe that when Jesus says that we must be born again of the "water" and the "Spirit" -- He means that our salvation, i.e., being born again comes through the hearing and believing the Word of God, Living Water -- and through the work of the Holy Spirit.

John 4:13-14, "Jesus answered and said to her, 'Everyone who drinks of this water will thirst again; but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.'"

That is Living Water -- and that is the Word of God. Our salvation comes through hearing and believing the Word of God and being led to Jesus Christ by the Holy Spirit.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

From the baptism thread.

http://forums.timesdaily.com/e...4867/m/731104701/p/3

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Posted 06 August 2010 05:11 PM Hide Post

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Originally posted by themax:
You know Bill, after being asked by Nicodemus how he could be born again after he was old, Jesus answered: "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he CAN NOT enter the kingdom of God"

So Billy boy, Jesus said, and I believe it!


Hi Max,

I believe it also. In John 3:5, Jesus tells us we must be born again of the water (the Word of God) and the Spirit (the Holy Spirit). No argument there.

John 4:13-14, "Jesus answered and said to her, 'Everyone who drinks of this water will thirst again; but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.'"

What is the "water which Jesus gives"? It is the Word of God -- the Living Water.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

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Originally posted by beternU:
It is that blood, and not the action of the believer, that redeems the lost soul. This concept of baptism is described with beautiful clarity in Romans 6:

1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

I think I responded, something like I've read how water was turned into wine,but not how water was turned into word.

Bill get your answers right.
I think BeternU has shook your tree until its falling over.
And now nothing you can say will be taken as a bit of truth behind it.
I've never seen one fall so hard. "CRASH"

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Originally posted by themax:
I think I responded, something like I've read how water was turned into wine,but not how water was turned into word.

Max, my Friend,

If you cannot find the Living Water, i.e., the Word of God, in your Bible -- maybe you need to dig a wee bit deeper.

And, you might start be studying the passage about the Samaritan woman.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Once again, Bill has failed to answer the seminal question of this thread. Is he an agent of Satan?

I'll answer it.

No, he's not. There is no Satan.

If there was, he might very well be a candidate for the privilege. Perhaps he thinks he is. Perhaps he practices Dark Masses and nails chickens to his door.

It's all booshwah and fluff anyway. Let Bill pretend to sacrifice virgins to the Devil or pray to his fundy god, it makes no difference.

It's all tosh. Nonsense. And you all know it.

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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
Once again, Bill has failed to answer the seminal question of this thread. Is he an agent of Satan? I'll answer it. No, he's not. There is no Satan. If there was, he might very well be a candidate for the privilege. Perhaps he thinks he is. Perhaps he practices Dark Masses and nails chickens to his door.
It's all booshwah and fluff anyway. Let Bill pretend to sacrifice virgins to the Devil or pray to his fundy god, it makes no difference.
It's all tosh. Nonsense. And you all know it.

SO SAYETH BISHOP RICHARD DAWKINS - AND HIS DEVOTED FOLLOWER - DEEP!

QED

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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
QED

ACTUALLY, YOU DEMONSTRATED IT VERY WELL!

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Posted 06 August 2010 05:11 PM Hide Post

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Originally posted by themax:
You know Bill, after being asked by Nicodemus how he could be born again after he was old, Jesus answered: "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he CAN NOT enter the kingdom of God"

So Billy boy, Jesus said, and I believe it!


Hi Max,

I believe it also. In John 3:5, Jesus tells us we must be born again of the water (the Word of God) and the Spirit (the Holy Spirit). No argument there.

John 4:13-14, "Jesus answered and said to her, 'Everyone who drinks of this water will thirst again; but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.'"

What is the "water which Jesus gives"? It is the Word of God -- the Living Water.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill, I don't think the word water needs your interpretation added in parenthesis. after all in just a little while, I'm going to shower with water to clean myself.How clean could I get with words?

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Originally posted by themax:
You know Bill, after being asked by Nicodemus how he could be born again after he was old, Jesus answered: "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he CAN NOT enter the kingdom of God"

So Billy boy, Jesus said, and I believe it!


Hi Max,

I believe it also. In John 3:5, Jesus tells us we must be born again of the water (the Word of God) and the Spirit (the Holy Spirit). No argument there.

No, you don't believe it Bill.
You believe your own version of it. If what the word of God says doesn't fit into your, or Chuck's idea of what it needs to be, to support your doctrine.
Then you will interpret it to fit.