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What makes health care different


As best as I can tell, the recent arguments at the Supreme Court did not touch on a critical part of the discussion about government’s role in health care: the broken market for private insurance. And I think I know why.

 

A key assumption underlying the arguments, questions and answers was that all uninsured people are uninsured by choice. Sure, some very ill people with preexisting conditions do not qualify. But the implication was clear: Most uninsured people either do not want to pay for insurance or cannot afford it. Justice Samuel Alito said, “You can get health insurance.” Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg made the point that people who don’t participate are making it more expensive for others, that their “free choice” affects others. The “free rider” problem is thoroughly examined.

 

It was as if the court forgot that the private insurance market does not function as a normal market. If you are not employed and you want to purchase insurance in the private market, you cannot unilaterally decide to do so. An insurer has to accept you as a customer. And quite often, they don’t.

 

The Government Accountability Office studied this problem last year and found a range of denial rates that vary by state and by insurer. On average, 19 percent of applications nationwide are denied. One-quarter of insurers denied more than 40 percent of the applications they considered. These denials are not limited to deadly illnesses but include many minor reasons. Expect to be denied if you have asthma, if you take just about any prescription medication, if you are more than 15 percent overweight. Expect to be denied if a doctor has recommended any procedure for you, no matter how insignificant. Basically, expect to be denied.

 

I’m astonished that this information was not laid out in oral argument and that no questions were asked about it. I believe that lawyers on both sides of this argument, and the justices hearing the case, have always been employed and always been covered by employer-provided health insurance. Perhaps it simply does not occur to them that if they were to try to purchase insurance, they might not be able to.

 

The justices repeatedly asked: If the government can require you to purchase insurance, what else could it require you to do? What are the limiting conditions to this breadth of control?

 

The government muffed its response. To me, the answer is obvious. There are two simple limiting conditions, both of which must be present: (1) it must be a service or product that everybody must have at some point in their lives and (2) the market for that service or product does not function, meaning that sellers turn away buyers. In other words, you need something, but you may not be able to buy it.

 

Let’s test the examples presented to the high court: Can the government force you to eat broccoli? This proposition fails on both counts. Nobody must eat broccoli during their lives, and the market for broccoli is normal. If you want broccoli, go buy it. Nothing stops you.

 

The health insurance market meets both criteria. Everybody will need health services at some point. And as long as the United States doesn’t provide national health care, the only reasonable method for most people to pay for those services is through insurance. But here, the market simply does not work. Sellers of health insurance turn away purchasers, and in great numbers.

 

Short of government-provided health services or a government-sponsored national insurance plan, the Affordable Care Act is the next best shot at fixing this broken market.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...IQAqfgY0S_story.html

 

Another question not asked: “Why are private insurance companies the only option considered an acceptable source for health care coverage?”  

 

Capitalism has made of health care a big ol’ inefficient wasteful system that (when compared with other modern democracies) delivers less result for more money. Socialized medicine in France, for example, is cheaper and has better outcomes. And capitalism thrives on cost efficiency. So, in this case some degree of socialism would be the best capitalist solution!

 

Charlie Rose interviewed Bill Gates recently. Bill explained that market forces fail in two circumstances: when the cost of innovation or research is high, and when the market is poor. He said this in the context of getting drugs against prevalent diseases such as malaria. It will be very expensive to develop such a drug — so it’s unlikely that the market will lead such an effort — and the customer base for such a drug, although very large, has very limited ability to pay for it to make it profitable. The free market will not develop a malaria drug. He concluded that we need government to fund basic research and philanthropy to provide the drug innovation, the efficiency and the distribution.

 

Other commenters argue that it’s because America itself is such a weird country:

 

Nick212 sees this in laws as well as markets:

“There is little, if any, concept of responsibility for your fellow citizen in the Constitution. That was supposed to be left for your spiritual values. And indeed, 200 years ago that did seem rather a logical division.

“Under American law, you can watch a person drown without recrimination. Under English common law, that is a felony.”

 

MadiganT agrees that America is different:

“We’ve decided centuries ago to be a society of individual choices, and when those choices are bad, only the individuals are to blame, not the providers or the owners of those services.”

 

HealthcarePolicyWonk suggests a new mode of attack on the current system:

“Important to remember that most of the rest of the world controls the prices charged by physicians, hospitals, drug, and device manufacturers. Change the payment system for physicians and hospitals and you’ll get a very different (and better) result.”

 

And killroy71 says that socialism and capitalism can and do work side by side:

“In Great Britain, private insurance offers faster access to higher quality care than offered by the ‘basic’ national system. In other European countries, the govt relies on private systems to actually administer uniform policies — the health plans compete on service not price.”

 

PostScript does believe we’ve all just solved it:

Socialism and capitalism — two great tastes that taste great together. We want a government to save our lives after we were hit by a car on a bike lane Congress provided because it saves the country money by keeping our hearts healthy. And we want to buy physical therapy rehab in a nicer facility with shorter waiting periods so we can get back on the bike sooner.”

 

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The myth that the UK's public health system delivers care quickly and efficiently is just that a myth.  Without the parallel private system and private insurance, theirs would collapse.

 

As to Canada as the Great Northern Hope -- fuggedaboutit!

 

"On Dec. 6, 2010, the Fraser Institute issued its annual report on surgical wait times in Canada. The report indicates that these wait times have increased on average between 2009 and the 2010.

 

The report, entitled Waiting Your Turn, Wait for Health Care in Canada, 2010 Report, finds that the wait time between a patient’s examination by a general practioner and the conclusion of treatment by a specialist is an average of 18.2 weeks. This is an increase from the 16.1 weeks it took in 2009. And these waiting times are 96% longer than the time patients had to wait in 1993."


Read more at Suite101: Wait Times for Surgery Increasing in Canada | Suite101.com http://suite101.com/article/wa...317306#ixzz1zgL6i4Jv

 

Canada, long billed as a successful single payer system is not successful, as shown above.  Neither, is it a single payer system.  In fact, there are not single payer systems on the globe, unless one counts North Korea..

 

"Private Clinics

In addition to public health care providers such as primary care doctors and hospitals, many private clinics offering specialized services also operate in Canada.

 

Under federal law, private clinics are not legally allowed to provide services covered by the Canada Health Act. Regardless of this legal issue, many do offer such services.

 

The advantage of private clinics is that they typically offer services with reduced wait times compared to the public health care system. For example, obtaining an MRI scan in a hospital could require a waiting period of months, whereas it could be obtained much faster in a private clinic.

Private clinics are a subject of controversy, as some feel that their existence unbalances the health care system and favors treatments to those with higher incomes.

 

Costs in private clinics are usually covered by private insurance policies, which will typically pay around 80% of the costs."

http://www.canadian-healthcare.org/page6.html

 

 The reason the private clinics still are paid by private insurance and out-of pocket are the result of a Canadian Supreme Court decision that such privately paid clinics and hospitals may still exist as patients could not receive care on a timely basis.  Insurance companies are selling health insurance to those who desire it.

 

In Europe, we see a socialist society on its last legs.  The welfare state is breaking them.  France will be the next to be looking for any scraps of income to pay for their adult Disneyland.

 

 

Originally Posted by interventor1212:

The myth that the UK's public health system delivers care quickly and efficiently is just that a myth.  Without the parallel private system and private insurance, theirs would collapse.

 

As to Canada as the Great Northern Hope -- fuggedaboutit!

 

"On Dec. 6, 2010, the Fraser Institute issued its annual report on surgical wait times in Canada. The report indicates that these wait times have increased on average between 2009 and the 2010.

 

The report, entitled Waiting Your Turn, Wait for Health Care in Canada, 2010 Report, finds that the wait time between a patient’s examination by a general practioner and the conclusion of treatment by a specialist is an average of 18.2 weeks. This is an increase from the 16.1 weeks it took in 2009. And these waiting times are 96% longer than the time patients had to wait in 1993."


Read more at Suite101: Wait Times for Surgery Increasing in Canada | Suite101.com http://suite101.com/article/wa...317306#ixzz1zgL6i4Jv

 

Canada, long billed as a successful single payer system is not successful, as shown above.  Neither, is it a single payer system.  In fact, there are not single payer systems on the globe, unless one counts North Korea..

 

"Private Clinics

In addition to public health care providers such as primary care doctors and hospitals, many private clinics offering specialized services also operate in Canada.

 

Under federal law, private clinics are not legally allowed to provide services covered by the Canada Health Act. Regardless of this legal issue, many do offer such services.

 

The advantage of private clinics is that they typically offer services with reduced wait times compared to the public health care system. For example, obtaining an MRI scan in a hospital could require a waiting period of months, whereas it could be obtained much faster in a private clinic.

Private clinics are a subject of controversy, as some feel that their existence unbalances the health care system and favors treatments to those with higher incomes.

 

Costs in private clinics are usually covered by private insurance policies, which will typically pay around 80% of the costs."

http://www.canadian-healthcare.org/page6.html

 

 The reason the private clinics still are paid by private insurance and out-of pocket are the result of a Canadian Supreme Court decision that such privately paid clinics and hospitals may still exist as patients could not receive care on a timely basis.  Insurance companies are selling health insurance to those who desire it.

 

In Europe, we see a socialist society on its last legs.  The welfare state is breaking them.  France will be the next to be looking for any scraps of income to pay for their adult Disneyland.

 

 

 

 

Sorry to burst the right wing bubble you have created for yourself, but this is what the people who have had first-hand experience with both socialism and capitalism have to say: 

 

The east has witnessed a wave of nostalgia in recent years for aspects of the old East Germany, or DDR, where citizens had few freedoms but were guaranteed jobs and social welfare. The trend is not limited to the region.

 

"We've even received inquiries from clients in western German states asking whether they could open a local account with us to get a card bearing Marx's features," Sparkasse's Wirtz told Reuters.

 

A 2008 survey found 52 percent of eastern Germans believed the free market economy was "unsuitable" and 43 percent said they wanted socialism back. 

 

http://www.reuters.com/article...dUSBRE85E0VQ20120615

 

There will always be idiots desiring a "Lost Eden!"

 

"Neo-na*zis: reaction and nostalgia
looking for someone to blame for the crisis

Dal reportage "Oltrenero" di Alessandro Cosmelli


The enemy? " Foreigners", the root of all problems. They are setting up an international network. They meet at political rallies and especially at concerts. Music and the web help them stay under the radar.  And they hope  to enter the European Parliament

 

The enemy? The banks and Europe, but above all "foreigners". Because the targets of the new right are immigrants, mainly Arabs and Muslims, but also gypsies and Jews. A cocktail of politics, ideology and historical references combine among the new international fascists, the tens of thousands of far-right extremists Europe, the neo-Na*zis, new and old fascists, "****skins", boneheads, hammerskins, nationalist separatists and a variety of loose cannons. It stretches from the north, in a Norway still shaken by the massacre of 22 July, 2011 (77 dead in Oslo and Utoya at the hands of one man, Anders Behring Breivik, 33 years old and currently on trial) to the south and a Greece taken aback by the electoral gains of the neo-**** Golden Dawn party (almost 7% of the vote and, for the first time, 21 seats in Parliament). It is a similar picture across Hungary, Russia, Serbia, Germany, Britain, Austria, France, Spain and Italy, groups nostalgic for the past, small bands of reactionaries, but above all a growing mass made up of young Europeans who support parties of hate and intolerance, are responsible for acts of aggression, beatings and killings, and come together through music and websites, often beyond ideology.

http://inchieste.repubblica.it...the_crisis-38099371/

Originally Posted by interventor1212:

There will always be idiots desiring a "Lost Eden!"

 

"Neo-na*zis: reaction and nostalgia
looking for someone to blame for the crisis

Dal reportage "Oltrenero" di Alessandro Cosmelli

 

The enemy? " Foreigners", the root of all problems. They are setting up an international network. They meet at political rallies and especially at concerts. Music and the web help them stay under the radar.  And they hope  to enter the European Parliament

 

The enemy? The banks and Europe, but above all "foreigners". Because the targets of the new right are immigrants, mainly Arabs and Muslims, but also gypsies and Jews. A cocktail of politics, ideology and historical references combine among the new international fascists, the tens of thousands of far-right extremists Europe, the neo-Na*zis, new and old fascists, "****skins", boneheads, hammerskins, nationalist separatists and a variety of loose cannons. It stretches from the north, in a Norway still shaken by the massacre of 22 July, 2011 (77 dead in Oslo and Utoya at the hands of one man, Anders Behring Breivik, 33 years old and currently on trial) to the south and a Greece taken aback by the electoral gains of the neo-**** Golden Dawn party (almost 7% of the vote and, for the first time, 21 seats in Parliament). It is a similar picture across Hungary, Russia, Serbia, Germany, Britain, Austria, France, Spain and Italy, groups nostalgic for the past, small bands of reactionaries, but above all a growing mass made up of young Europeans who support parties of hate and intolerance, are responsible for acts of aggression, beatings and killings, and come together through music and websites, often beyond ideology.

http://inchieste.repubblica.it...the_crisis-38099371/

 

Surf's up in Malibu.

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