I'm glad to see it. Churches should NOT tell people how to vote. I'm glad Best agrees, even though most churches, just like the ones quoted in the article, urge people to vote Republican.

Hi O No,

Should churches, and particularly pastors, discuss issues such as abortion, gay marriage, promiscuity, and other such issues in the pulpit and in Bible studies?  

If you say yes, then most often that alone tells a person who to vote for and why.  Most often, the candidate names never have to be mentioned.

If you say no, do you think Jesus and the early apostles would have avoided such issues just to keep the secular civil leaders happy?

My Friend, which way would you have it?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Good point Bill. Just because a preacher shares his opinions does not mean he is "electioneering." Now if they were using tithes to make campaign contributions I could go along with it. This is another attempt to choke out religion by taking away revenue.

Wright, with the billions of dollars the churches have, the millions they rake in each year, how in the world would making them pay taxes "choke out religion"? I'm serious, how would that do them any harm? And yes, they push their political agendas from the pulpit. Both parties do it, the democrats just as much or more, as republicans.

taxthechurches.org

It was the fervent hope of the founders of our great nation that its government would not tresspass on the province of religion, and that religion would find neither refuge nor condemnation from a secular government. The founders' committment to this idea was unequivocal. The very first words of the Bill of Rights read:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

Whether you interpret that statement as an originalist, papist, feminist, or any other -ist, exempting religious organizations from paying taxes is a clear case of our government "respecting an establishment of religion," precisely what the framers intended to prohibit.

This is notto suggest that you abandon your church or your faith. For one thing, any religious organization that lives up to its commitments to its congregation and community would have nothing to fear from filing a tax return, just like every other non-profit. For another, when these institutions pay taxes like every other non-profit, each citizen's tax burden is significantly lessened and consequently he or she maybetter endow a worthy institution with individual support.

It is the flip side of the same coin: as your right to practice a religion must be respected by government, it may not support churches by tax subsidies or any other means.

WHY YOU CARE:

Because it's unconstitutional. It will be obvious to rational people that exempting religious organizations from paying any taxes is a clear case of government "respecting an establishment of religion." But throughout history we have seen many otherwise-lucid thinkers insist otherwise, including Supreme Court justices who uphold biblical views when their taxpayer-funded jobs explicitly require them to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America.

Because religious organizations are not accountable to the citizens who subsidize them. If churches engage in charitable work that benefits the community, do all citizens have an interest in supporting such endeavors with, say, various tax exemptions? Of course. This is the sound basis for tax exemptions for non-profit organizations, whose activities and finances are subject to IRS audit and public scrutiny. In the case of religious organizations, however, the books are closed.

Non-church groups receiving tax exemptions must annually file a detailed 990 statement itemizing where the money has gone. The IRS automatically waives the 990 requirement for churches.

So what if churches do not engage in charitable work? Or do so far less efficiently, effectively - or charitably - than the many non-profits or government programs we do not subsidize in this way? Religious organizations can and do take great advantage of their tax-free status. Many amass great wealth and vast media empires - all of it off the tax rolls. The point is that religious organizations can and do espouse doctrines of intolerance and hatred, filter funds to foreign enemies, and cause far more harm than good in their communities. They are nevertheless entirely tax-exempt, their finances never scrutinized, because they qualify as "religious organizations."

Tax-exempt status is a privilege - not a right - and churches should be held to the same standards as other non-profits - if not higher standards.

Because it is easily and routinely abused. Consider the proliferation of phony churches as a tax dodge. An IRS attorney cites a brothel "church," where sisterly love is offered to male parishioners in exchange for donations. In Hardenburgh, New York several years ago, 235 of the 239 property owners in that town were granted religious tax exemption because the properties of the owners were made branches of the mail-order "Universal Life Church." In Wisconsin, hotels, pay parking lots, farms, and communion wafer bakeries are among the church holdings that are tax exempt. Overall, at least $4.2 billion in tax-exempt religious property now exists in that state alone. And the monumental moral corruption of the Catholic Church as evidenced by the many sexual abuse scandals is particularly galling when one contemplates the vast (and covert) wealth of that particular enterprise.

It's a racket, and it costs taxpayers even more money to monitor, uncover and fight the abuse it invites - none of which would be necessary if such unenforceable loopholes in our tax code never existed.

Because it costs you and me billions. We are not talking chump change here. Consider that for every tax dollar a religious organization does not pay, you and I pay it on its behalf. Many are among the wealthiest organizations in the world: by 1971, the amount of real and personal property owned by U.S. churches was approx. $110 billion. In New York City alone, the amount was $3 billion in 1989. A 1986 estimate showed religious income in that year of approx. $100 billion, or about five times the income of the five largest corporations in the U.S. All tax free.

Because the founders got it right.These thoughtful men were conscentious students of history, many of them witnessing firsthand the bloody devastation wrought wherever religion entangled itself with government on foreign s****s - and our own. The founders saw that without a strict separation between religion and government, the same tragedy would inevitably be replayed here.

"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these s****s the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries." -James Madison

Because it is fundamentally unjust. Not all religious organizations enjoys tax breaks, only those our government deems legitimate. Is government in the business of deciding what is or is not a legitimate religion? Doesn't every instance where government makes such a determination amount to "respecting an establishment of religion?" Should the taxes of non-religious citizens be higher to subsidize every church, synagogue, and mosque in town? Should working women pay taxes to subsidize clergy and other employees' paychecks, when such positions are overwhelmingly - and legally - restricted to men?

The current scheme is unfair and unnecessary. Churches can and should pay taxes, just like everybody else.

Because our country is not supposed to be a theocracy. It is not a new idea: tax exemption for religious organizations has been debated since the birth of our great nation. istorically, far from the accepted status quo, the subsidy of religious organizations via carte blanche tax exemptions has troubled patriots and conscientious religious citizens alike. Since our Consititution was written our nation has witnessed an overall upsurge in the deliberate mingling of government with religion, to the point that the two institutions at times have appeared nearly indistinguishable. Perhaps emboldened by the cowardice and arrogance displayed by our nation's highest court and the apathy of so many citizens, religious zealots now hold our highest offices and have infiltrated every single branch of government, upholding biblical views when their taxpayer-funded jobs explicitly require them to uphold the Constitution of the United States instead.

Because it makes no sense. To deny that tax exemption is a meaningful public subsidy is to put forth an absurd proposition: just consider what your personal financial picture would look like if you never paid any taxes. Yet it is exactly this type of ludicrous logic on which religious tax exemptions have been upheld time and again by our courts and congresses. See LAW for more.

"Unique among the nations, America recognized the source of our character as being godly and eternal, not being civic and temporal. We have no king but Jesus."
-Fmr. Attorney General John Ashcroft

"[I]ntentional governmental advancement of religion is sometimes required by the Free Exercise Clause."
-Supreme Court Justice Anton Scalia

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TAX THE CHURCHES DOES NOT WANT YOUR MONEY.
SERIOUSLY.

WE WANT YOU TO DO THIS:
The next time Congress is looking for an extra couple billion to finance a war, tell them to look no further than an income tax on religious payroll. Better yet, tell them today, and let them know you intend to VOTE accordingly.

We love our county. And our freedom. Remember freedom?
Tax the Churches.

taxthechurches.org

It costs money to run a church. There are many weeks the tithe does not cover the budget at my Church. If you levied tax on that, it would be much harder to operate churches across the nation. Not every church pulls in the money of the televangelists. I've never seen a pastor "push" a political agenda. I have seen human men, in a pastoral role, tell the congregation which biblical principles are important to him regarding his vote. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I have never seen it.

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It costs money to run anything, businesses, households etc. Less money in the "plate" would mean less taxes due. That human man in pastoral robes isn't supposed to be discussing politics and trying to influence other's votes, in his church.

I suppose we all see things differently

First, most churches do not have the "billions" of which you speak.  The majority of Protestant churches are small congregations with very little money.  Yet, we do manage to help support missionaries and do other things to share God's Gospel with the world.

Second, I personally do not believe it is the money which concerns you -- it is the fact that you hate all things related to God, the church, and Christianity.  Why?  I have no idea.   But, you have made it very obvious that is true.   Tax exemptions is not the issue, it is only the most convenient way you can find to attack the Christian faith.

And, whey you say, "That human man in pastoral robes isn't supposed to be discussing politics and trying to influence other's votes, in his church" -- thank God more rational minds than you have agreed that he can speak on the issues.

If I go into a pulpit and tell folks I am anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage -- I have that right.  No, I cannot use the pulpit to tell folks who to vote for, by name (although you are right that both parties do, especially the Democrats) -- but, if John Smith is a pro-abortion candidate, and Al Jones is a pro-life candidate; I can most certainly tell folks, from the pulpit or anywhere -- to vote FOR LIFE. 

And, praise God, the founding fathers of America gave me that right, in the First Amendment.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

I suppose we all see things differently

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So it seems. I wonder if those preachers ever stop to think they may be insulting some of their "flock" when they start politicking from the pulpit. They didn't discuss politics in the church I attended, but I still knew that the congregation was made up of both parties. I know that churches today tend to group together, the democrats find the one that pushes the democrats agenda, the republicans find the one that goes along with their political beliefs, so what happens if some new visitor/member takes offense to the political sermon being given? Are they ignored, made to feel unwelcome, kinda eased out? Face it, there is no separation of church and state, and I wonder too, why wouldn't the churches be glad to pay taxes?

 Given the way they carry on about how patriotic they all are, and again I stress that is all of them, democrats and republicans, it would seem they would be fighting to pay something back to the country they claim to love. It's not right that a few people, the taxpayers, are asked to shoulder all of the burden. Government comes to us all the time demanding more and more. It's time for fairness. It's time everyone stepped up and paid.

Great post, Jenn.

Semi, it's funny that with all the cries of "make the rich/big business pay", nothing very much is said about the churches. 

taxthechurches

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

Whether you interpret that statement as an originalist, papist, feminist, or any other -ist, exempting religious organizations from paying taxes is a clear case of our government "respecting an establishment of religion," precisely what the framers intended to prohibit.

best you don't report any monies as charity to lessen your tax obligation do you?

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I agree whole heartedly! This is the exact same argument that many of us who believe big corporations and the very rich should pay their fair share of taxes have been saying.

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I would argue exactly the opposite.  Taxation requires a law.  Lack of taxation does not.  The reason there are laws in effect regarding tax exemption for churches is to first define which organizations are exempt from laws that have been passed concerning taxation, and then to have them prove they qualify.  In fact the power to tax an organization is the power to exercise a certain amount of control over it, and that is precisely what the framers intended to prohibit.

Let's look at your idea for taxing church income.  I'm only guessing here, but I'm betting that 99.999% of churches, even if their "income" was subject to taxation, would not pay any income taxes.  Most churches, with a few notable exceptions, run on a zero based budget.  All gross revenue is generally spent.  Income tax is, generally speaking, based on net revenue, which for most churches would be zero.  Zero net revenue, zero taxable income, zero taxes. 

Churches are a subset of not-for-profit organizations.  Are you going to tax all not-for-profit organizations?  How?  They are by definition, not-for-profit.

A few minor points on the article.

A.) Property (ad valorem) tax is a state tax. Petitioning Congress will have no effect.

B.) church payroll is taxable income......on the payee

C.) churches (in Alabama) pay sales and use tax.

Those pushing for the IRS to begin collecting taxes from churches are assisting the numerous churches where preachers have overtly violated the "Johnson Amendment," the law that LBJ got passed that prohibits political activity by churches.  These churches are defying the law and notifying the IRS of their actions in hopes of getting this issue into court.  It is their aim to get the courts to declare the Johnson Amendment unconstitutional.  So, whether as a consequence of these defiant actions or of the lawsuit filed by the litigation-obsessed atheists of the FFRF, it is beginning to look more and more like this issue will get its day in court.

This topic piqued my interest (shouldn't they all ) and I did a little perusing.

Found this article: http://churchesandtaxes.procon.org/

From within, this "nice" little reminder:

"The Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment of the US Constitution bars the US government from limiting the free expression of religion. By demanding church taxes, the government becomes empowered to penalize or shut down churches if they default on their payments. The US Supreme Court confirmed this in McCulloch v. Maryland (1819) when it stated: "the power to tax involves the power to destroy."

You keep yelling, "Churches have billions of dollars in the bank!"   Please show us proof of one Baptist church which has billions, even millions, in the bank.  Most can barely make it from month to month.  And, what we do have most often goes to support missionaries and/or charities.

As I said in an earlier post -- in my opinion, you could care less about the taxes or money.  With you it is a deeply seated vendetta against all Christians, Christian churches, and God.

Why?  I have no idea.  Maybe because some pastor, at some time, somewhere -- told you that you cannot do something because it displeases God.  So, you decided to hate God and all things associated with God -- because He told you that was a "no-no."

What you need, my Friend, is to grow up and stop blaming God.  It is not Him.  It is you -- just like it is me when I am disobedient.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

 They have the power to do that to anyone that defaults or refuses to pay taxes. No reason for churches to be treated any differently.

Somebody explain to Best that Republicans are the party that keeps saying they want to uphold the constitution. She keeps getting her atheism and her right-wingism twisted up so badly that she doesn't know whether she's coming or going!

Hi VP,

Most of those Baptist churches you see with large buildings -- were most likely built a hundred years ago.   The vast majority of Baptist churches live month to month; just like most of us.

By the way, how is the Vatican doing?  I hear they have their own bank and bankers!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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So, every time your business purchases some property, you have a profit?

There is a set of Federal Laws that define what is taxable income.  That law, and the commentary necessary to understand it, takes about ten feet of shelf space to house in its printed form.  Taxable income is defined fairly precisely.  The simple purchase of property does not normally result in taxable income.

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Leave the psychoanalysis to the professionals, Bill.  Using your logic, some gay person turned you down in the past, and now you hate all homosexuals.

We know that's not true, don't we?

I only skimmed the original post, and found many questionable things with regard to the logic used there.  But I did read this last paragraph, which tells me that the writer knows absolutely nothing about taxes. 

"The next time Congress is looking for an extra couple billion to finance a war, tell them to look no further than an income tax on religious payroll. Better yet, tell them today, and let them know you intend to VOTE accordingly."

Ubu is correct.  Payments made to church employees - just like payments made to any employee - is taxable income to the employee.  This includes all employees, the minister, the janitor, the organist, the music director, the kindergarten teacher.  If they receive salary or wages, they are taxed just as any other individual would be. Generally, church employees are subject to all the payroll taxes that everyone else is subject to.

There are some special allowances for clergy. 

At one time, and I assume that this is still in effect, clergy could elect out of the social security system.  By filing a particular form they could elect to not pay social security tax.  They would then be ineligible to receive any social security benefits.  The election was irrevocable.

From my experience, most clergy are underpaid based on the hours they put in.  There are of course notable exceptions. 

So, if you take the advice of the writer, and write to your Congressman and suggest that there be an income tax on church payroll, your letters will hit the round file, and if the Congressman keeps a list of wacko constituents, you will most likely be placed on that list.

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There you go again, Billy, showing your ignorance! Bellevue Baptist in Memphis, one of the largest anywhere in the South, was built within the past 20 years. Nondenominational (formerly Baptist) Protestant Central Church, in the same time frame abandoned (sold) it's previous facility which comfortably seated several thousand and included sports facilities and scholastic buildings. They did so in order to build more spacious and comfortable facilities in a more upscale area of the suburbs... In dothey'll they escaped a crime ridden part of the city badly in need of the word of Christ...

Justify that Billie...

That last sentence should read in part "In so doing, they..."

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It is so refreshing to finally hear from someone that sees what I've seen from the beginning & doesn't mind saying it. Bill is one of the best in gathering souls for Satan and his audience is this forum. It's hard for me to wrap my mind around the fact that some people thinks he's a Christian & doing God's work. 

Bill is not what the Bible refers to as a Christian, & I wish people could see that.  

I hope those people that read but doesn't post that he says he wants to reach, realize that this old man is not a Christian & see him for what he is. He is nothing but a spawn of the Devil.

Court Says City Can Tax Church Room By Room

New Hampshire church loses appeal of city property tax on 40 percent of its building.

Jeremy Weber

Hello how do you do?

I was questioning my religion  to and thinking of being an atheist but after reading comments on here I have had some second thoughts because I really don't want to be self centered and become something like many of you have. I am pretty sure you all are nice but as you all have told bill to practice what he preaches I have noticed it could be said the same for you all. I guess I just dont want to have a self loving personality when I hit 40.

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I'd say you're pushing 50 and never thought of being atheist. You're

a liberal calvinist like billie and here to support him. You're deeply in

love with yourself, you have a free ticket to heaven and if you have

read much you know many of us aren't nice. You must be gingee.

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Joined 10 hours ago & made "his" first post 10 hours ago & it was in defense of old Billy boy. What does that tell you? I'm guessing another one of his step-daughters.

name one and dont say best.

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JND dog 1......hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

"Curiouser and Curiouser" as the saying goes

I just love this my first comment on here and only one nice one out of a dozen. Well to vplee123 thank you for being nice to me on here. I never cam here to defend billy but you all just assumed he dug his on whole in here but I want go the route of arguing  with which is pointless to me because the way it looks like beating a dead horse. No I will go the route of feeling sorry for if you have to get defensive and attack me an assume whom I am and insult me it is truly funny. I wanted find some comin  ground to see what I might have common ground with a few of you but you just get defensive. To the person who called me liar I already know we have one thing in common from another post. We both cant stand our current president and you calling me a liberal that's the funniest claim I have ever herd. I listen to the Great One Mark Levin and if you don't know of the mans go find out. Hey who knew atheist and people that go to church have something in common you learn something knew everyday.      

jndog, I just love that you think you can try to insult people and they'll be nice to you. That's what your first post was, an attempt to insult.  You got the responses you deserved. And semi-did I miss the announcement??

Ok, semi. She's an atheist (for now) and is one of the kindest people on the forum. My dad. He's an atheist but he would give you the moon if he could

i forgot about semi. i would say she is a kind atheist. she's a goodun.

JNDDOG1, stick around, it's a free country "they" don't own this forum. just beware i'm the only trustworthy one on here. voted for Obama. actually Bill got the religious forum started. i am his and best's idol.

That's not the way I heard it, DQ.

To bestworking yo can down me all you want but I am that one person determined to find common ground people and I got the responses I deserve huh didn't will I guess you can continue to beat the dead horse but I will not keep my mouth shut.  There is common ground  people in here I see but some choose to insult rather try to meet half way. I may have insulted you and like you said I got the reaction I deserved but I will fight for your right to be rate me call me names tell me I am an idiot a dumb ass because that is your right as an american citizen. Go ahead then call me an idiot call me a dumb ass call me a crack religious that deserves to be treated like trash but I HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK MY MIND TO AS I SIR AM ALSO AN AMERICAN CITIZEN. If I insulted you I am truly sorry their I said  SORRY take it or leave I could careless. Beat berate call me name I from here on will be your punching bag if that helps make it through your bleak day in then I did my job as one society's lighting rods.

Punctuation and proofreading are your friends.

Ok, semi. She's an atheist (for now) and is one of the kindest people on the forum. My dad. He's an atheist but he would give you the moon if he could

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Atheist believe God doesn't exist at all, I haven't gotten that far. I just really don't know anymore.

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To bestworking yo can down me all you want but I am that one person determined to find common ground people and I got the responses I deserve huh didn't will I guess you can continue to beat the dead horse but I will not keep my mouth shut.

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Down you? Maybe you need to go back and read your first post. Then read my response. You can speak your mind all you want, but you might want to think before you do.

I will fight for your right to be rate me call me names tell me I am an idiot a dumb ass because that is your right as an american citizen. Go ahead then call me an idiot call me a dumb ass call me a crack religious that deserves to be treated like trash but I HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK MY MIND TO AS I SIR AM ALSO AN AMERICAN CITIZEN. If I insulted you I am truly sorry their I said  SORRY take it or leave I could careless. Beat berate call me name I from here on will be your punching bag if that helps make it through your bleak day in then I did my job as one society's lighting rods.

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As for your dramatic post about me berating you, again, you might want to read what I actually posted. Then come back and show me where I called you the names you said. You're off to a good start, doing like so many here do, attributing something to me that I never posted. Your hero is good at doing that.  And again, you can speak your mind-but as with your hero, I can choose to "listen" or not.

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So your first post was an insult to atheist yet you can't understand why those you insulted would insult you back? I think you knew what you were doing when you posted that comment. There are many good atheist, just as there are good believers. Being self loving is very healthy. You can't love anyone if you don't love yourself.  Do you not love your self right now? If not, why?

Jnddog1, me and Bro Bill have been spanking this crowd for decimonths . Hang in tough. If you need any pointers I know them like the back of my hand.  Semi is probably the most difficult. I’d like the chance to look her directly in the eye. Show up at Vicccose’s birthday party. She’ll be there. At best’s pad.

Originally Posted by Quaildog:

There's the Quail Dog I love to laugh at with. Thanks for the giggles QD.

You know what I tried to make an apology and I realized what I posted would comeback but I cant stand people ganging up on one person it sickens me in today's society when one person put in their two cent and there in the wrong for it. That being said what I said was an insult an realized and sorry for like I said love it hate it take it how you see it. I can understand were loving yourself is a good thing but I am the kind of person that still believes do good for others first then yourself. Like I said I will be the lighting rod on here so keep it up.

And like I said, I don't know if there are any atheists even posting to bill. I certainly don't anymore, haven't in weeks. As far as others ganging up, I'd say that's just posters responding to bill's incessant insults to them. If he insults everyone on here, like he does, shouldn't he get it back? How is that ganging up? Why do you think people would/should, sit back and take bill's insults? He gives as good as he gets, and if he didn't want to be ganged up on as you put it, maybe he shouldn't be so nasty to people.

Actor Jim Nabors of ‘Andy Griffith Show’ marries male partner; says he ‘just wanted it legal’

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...31670f35d_story.html

HONOLULU — Actor Jim Nabors says marrying his longtime male partner doesn’t change anything about their relationship — he just wanted it to be formally acknowledged.

“I just wanted it legal,” the 82-year-old actor best known as Gomer Pyle in “The Andy Griffith Show” told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

 

 

 

 

(Associated Press) - Jim Nabors is seen in character for his role of Gomer Pyle in this 1966 file photo. Hawaii News Now reports Jim Nabors and his partner, Stan Cadwallader, traveled from their Honolulu home to Seattle to be married Jan. 15, 2013. The couple met in 1975 when Cadwallader was a Honolulu firefighter.

Nabors married 64-year-old Stan Cadwallader in Seattle on Jan. 15. Nabors says they have been partners for 38 years.

Nabors said they flew from Honolulu just for the short ceremony and were married in a hotel room by a judge friend who drove up from Olympia, Wash.

Nabors said he’s not an activist but feels strongly that gay marriage should be a right for everyone.

“I think every person on this earth has a choice of who they want to spend their life with,” he said.

News of Nabors’ marriage was first reported by Hawaii News Now. Nabors told Hawaii News Now he’s been open about being gay with co-workers and friends but hadn’t acknowledged it to the media before. He said he’s not ashamed of people knowing, he just didn’t tell people because it was “such a personal thing.”

The couple met in 1975 when Cadwallader was a Honolulu firefighter.

Nabors told the AP that Cadwallader began working for him long ago and took care of his business affairs.

“He’s my best friend,” Nabors said.

Nabors became an instant success when he joined “The Andy Griffith Show” in spring 1963. The character of Gomer Pyle — the unworldly, lovable gas pumper who would exclaim “Gollllll-ly!” — proved so popular that in 1964 CBS starred him in “Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C.”

In the spinoff, which lasted five seasons, Gomer left his hometown of Mayberry to become a Marine recruit. His innocence confounded his sergeant, the irascible Frank Sutton.

Gay marriage became legal in Washington state last month. Several other states allow it, but Nabors said he picked Washington because he didn’t want to travel too far from his Hawaii home.

“I like the weather,” he said. “Still, I froze my butt off there.”

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Of course I'm difficult, I'm a female. Being difficult is the only way to keep a man on his toes.

And who is Vicccose?

(Ladies: I don't mean to imply that all women are difficult, just me, & several I know personally.   )

Hi Chick,

When I see the amount of hatred you carry inside you, I feel bad.   Hatred such as you exhibit only hurts one person -- the person who carries it inside.  Such feelings are like a cancer -- you either find a way to get rid of it -- or it will continue to grow and eat away at you.

Over the last year or so, I have seen your hatred of me grow from an occasional disagreement -- to an all consuming fire within you.  It has gotten to the point that you cannot write a post, even when I am not in the discussion, and even when the issue being discussed has absolutely nothing to do with any issue on which I might have made a comment -- without striking out at me.  

That, my Friend, is a sickness and it can only harm you.   It does no harm to me; but, it can do harm to you, healthwise.  No one should allow such hatred to grow inside; for, like a cancer, it can consume you.  And, it is obvious that you are consumed with hatred for me.

Please, for your own sake -- get over it, let it go.  You say that you have me blocked; that is fine.  So, if you are not reading my posts -- why bother even bringing me into your thoughts and posts?

I pray that you will seriously consider what I have written, for I am very sincere about this.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

LOL, yes I remember that. Something about spreading gossip. I guess only he is allowed to do that.

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I was completely surprised about Perry Mason "Raymond Burr" being

homosexual, you never know.

Jjddog several of the chiuks on here have had the hots for Bro Bill. It’s a love hate thing.

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That's why it's funny to hear people claim homosexuality is on the rise. If people had only known then what they know now, they'd see it's always pretty much been about the same in terms of numbers. The only difference I guess, people are becoming more open about it, not hiding it anymore, or no longer suppressing their feelings. I remember my mom saying about rock hudson, "dang, now I know I really don't have a shot at him".

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I have heard the "Great One" (geat only in his own conceits) enough to wonder why you or anyone else finds his kind of behavior and demeanor to be anything other than crude and anti-social.  He is an intolerant, angry, rude ultra-rightist scumbag who harshly vilifies those who commit the atrocious offense of disagreeing with him.  He employs all the advantages of controlling broadcast content to his advantage, summarily cutting off discussion when opposing views rankle him and then literally screaming out a tirade of invective against callers who are no longer online to rebut his raving and biased tirades. He comes off pretty much as a nascent sociopath.  Any fan of Levin has a deranged sense of societal responsibility.

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Gosh! You just described Billy boy!

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I'm curious what you mean when you say "I will be the lighting rod on here"?

Most of the fighting in the religion forum goes on between the Christians. Usually when Bill starts telling another Christian that they are not worshiping their god as he believes they should. The only other atheist that I have seen in this conversation besides myself, is Best. I will not defend her, she neither wants it or needs it. I don't agree with most of what she says on here so you can't really say we are all alike.

If you were truly starting to question your religious beliefs and are interested in atheism, please feel free to ask me anything you want. As I said we don't all think alike so my view on a subject might not be the same as Road Puppy's or Best's. The only thing that all atheist agree on is a disbelief in gods. We have no doctrine or dogma. I have known atheist that are democrats and republicans, although not very many republican atheist. What might be more to your beliefs is Humanism. The basic view of Humanism is "Doing good without God". Humanist are generally involved in local charities and work towards equal treatment and rights for all humans. Since you say you like to put others before yourself, Humanism might be something that interest you.

Welcome to the forum.

You know Levin could careless about what a drone thinks of him. The reason I listen to Levin he dishes out to the right of the field as much he does the left have you ever herd a full program or have you turned it off because he speaks the truth about our country and its shape from time to time. Hey but when what I have herd from people like MAHER and CNBC are just hatefull to the right like Levin is to the left. It works both ways you see were I am going here. Heck this weak he hate mongered on four republican governors. He does give credit to the left though which you  probably don't here  he says the left fight more and shove it more down our throughts than his boys do.

So if he judges you he judges you why should you care heck if it bothers you that much about what he says take a deep breath and count to ten. I mean this just a post I really could careless of what people in here thank of me. I am a good person at heart and I know it so why should I care what an atheist or a christian says to one another I don't but like I said society is going down hill these days and you know it. If he is doing the work for Satan by turning people away from god than that's on him not you right.  What I am curios about though you sound like you might be worried about him betraying the very ethics he believes in am i right other wise you would not have went on this whole rant about him. Sound like someone has a moral compass and I am glad to see it.   

I guess people on here have different views on nastiness my view of  nastiness is somewhat different from yours I guess. What he did was wrong I get but adding hate to hate ant helpful either. I mean look at our politics everyone of them hate each other on capital hill right   and look whose suffering for it we are am I right? I agree some hate is needed but stacking it on top of each other is not the answer either unless we become mindless idiots like the ones running the country. 

And now the Good Ol Boy Scouts of america.

Yea just go to Mcfarland bottom and TVA resort there's your local hot spots in the shoals. Cant even fish without someone walking up and hitting on feels awkward and there goes the fishing.

That sounds like another one that claimed he couldn't go anywhere without someone hitting on him. 

Semi Fiat! Fiat! I herby without prejudice block thee.

Who's calling for a tax on religion?  You're standing to close to those gongs.

 Because if that's not what you meant, you're making less sense than Rram.  Taxing an organization isn't respecting them, and treating them the same as all other politically active organizations certainly isn't discriminatory.

It is just annoying trying to fish and that happens you don't feel comfortable anymore and it effects if your line is relaxed. You get tensed and your line is to and the fish don't bite it. Anyway I quit fishing at these locations a while back. Good spot now is up near wheeler.

No your opinion does not bother me but what does concern me is of all people in the world you think bill is the worst lol lol. Go to the white house there's your biggest hypocrite in the world now there is someone that does bother me and what worries me more he does not follow the rules set in the bible or the Constitution. See Bill is not the biggest one out there now so you see why his comments should not phase you. Now someone that has your very way of life in his hands should if your going to be angry for someone like that through it at someone that matters not some good christian trying to spread his word.

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Show me where I have ever made the comment that of all people in the world, I think Bill is the worst!!! You can't, because I've never said it. He's ONE of the worse, & since I am on the forum where he preaches his hate & judgment, I will speak up.

You believe OBama to be the biggest hypocrite in the world, & it worries you is that he doesn't follow the rules set in the bible? You think Bill Gray follows those rules?

If you have a problem with your President, write him & tell him how you feel. Your words to him will probably have the same effect as the words we all say to Bill.

Surely you're not suggesting that Bill is the "good christian trying to spread his word"?

I think hes trying to hard there's delivering the message then there's preaching bigotry. He might be close to there i ant saying hes not but if he is not following the rules he knows what awaits him. You know not all Christians are bad people, some try to see both sides of each story and try to help each side out if possible.

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If they are, then jnndog1 has become very distantly estranged from them.

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Want to try that one more time to make sure I got what you were saying?

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Who's carl?

My fault, that should be Karl....Billy Bob Thornton...."Sling Blade"

Великий, беручи постріл в мою відсутність освіти ми є? Ну, якщо будуть робити, що клямка гірчицю і печиво. 

I got that just fine.

Mustard and biscuits