Statement from DeepFat:
what4, your accusing others of pride is pretty funny.
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I have already seen the site. As a matter of fact my last post was largely in thought of this site and your previous claims.
I have done my best to expose your theory of evolution as a conclusion based on a hypothesis without proof. The whole premise, considering the odds against it, requires a remarkable stretch of the imagination times 1 billion to the billionth power to accept it. I firmly hold to my belief that life could not be created by mere chance, and then evolve by mere chance to what it has become today. Murphy’s Law would have existed then as today. The theory of evolution is far from a proven fact. You will more than likely not admit these truths. You expect people to believe you and accept your opinions without proof, but you will mock those who believe in God simply because they cannot prove to you He exists. You present scientists and chemists as if they are super human and infallible. Those who don’t agree with you are quickly demoted to being naïve simple-minded people who have just stepped out of their cave. It doesn’t take a prideful person to be willing to go up against a person such as you. All it takes is someone willing to brave the venomous insults that are sure to come their way.
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Concerning the post from GoFish,
In practice, the organism is “being patented for what it is not,” ETC said in a statement this week.
In the patent application, the scientists also discussed the possibility of creating the genes from scratch using chemical methods, then injecting these into a cell whose own genome has been removed. Whether that has actually been done yet is unclear, but “many people think Venter’s company has the scientific expertise to do the job,” said Mooney.
It appears they are taking a simple organism and removing its genome, and inserting in its place the minimal genes necessary to sustain life. When it finally gets to the place that a living organism is made from nothing but chemicals found in the natural environment, without manipulating or making use of existing genes, without making use of an already preformed membrane of an existing life form, without gathering any preexisting DNA from other life forms, or without making use of another living organism to incubate or nurse the organism to self-sufficiency, you will then have something worth taking note of. Although what they have done is remarkable, there is no evidence here that they have created this simple organism entirely from natural chemicals found in the earth’s environment. However, if this is ever done and proven that it can be done, you will have taken the wind out of my argument that man cannot create a simple living organism. However, believing that what we are today is simply the result of a series of coincidental accidents of nature, defies any logical reasoning as far as I am concerned. The odds of a one celled living organism existing by a fluke accident of nature, and then surviving for any period of time in the chaotic environment that it finds itself in without any nurture or care is overwhelming. The odds of it not only surviving but also evolving through continually progressive stages of life without regressing or dieing out are also impossibly high. The odds of complicated life existing as we know it today being only the result of a series of accidental coincidences of nature may be possible according to your understanding, but I could not put my faith in such if my life depended on it.
You consider my faith in God as existing without any reasonable foundation. I began my walk with God, pretty much as all do, with nothing more than faith. I still walk by faith, but the resulting evidence of my faith has already been manifested in various ways. God’s has backed up his word with His faithfulness. Although I would probably not be able to prove God to you, God has proven Himself to me several times. I am confident that the trust I place in God for things yet unproven, will also not be in vain.
My continued debate with you is not to belittle your intelligence, because I’m sure you are intelligent on many aspects. I’m only an average Joe, and if you succeed in making me look foolish, you will have done no amazing feat. But I feel logic does not require a college diploma, although I have one. Some of the most intelligent people in the world are farmers, electricians, machinists, etc. Many people do not have the opportunity to go to College, but that does not leave them as fools that have no right to face down a doctor when the doctor is wrong. If we get a Pulitzer Prize it is not necessarily a mark of intelligence, but rather a mark of achievement.
I suppose the battle will continue by those who support opposing point of views. But I know the One in whom I have believed and I am persuaded that my trust in Him will not be in vain. You are still looking for proof and are ecstatic when the smallest progress of science can make your theory more believable. I am not looking to prove my faith by science, so science is not where my attention is focused. What scientists accomplish will mean nothing when this life is over. You are basing all your claims on science, and for that reason, science is your only source of hope. God has proved himself to me that He exists without the help of science, and in manners that would skirt around the limitations of science. Even if mankind someday shows himself capable of making a living organism totally from chemicals, he will still not be able to disprove the fact that God exists, nor can anyone disprove that God is our Creator. You can continue trusting in a theory that has the odds stacked against it. You can continue to believe it even though you have no proof that your theory is true. I hope you understand this one thing. I have not set out against you in a battle of wits, just to put a trophy on the mantle. There is so much at stake here that I could not easily set back and watch as you continued to fly over the field and eat the seeds of faith as fast as they could be sown. My concern is for those who might hear you and be persuaded to believe your unprovable message, and in doing so miss out on the gracious gift of forgiveness and eternal life that is offered by God, and received by faith in Jesus Christ. It is not my concern to show who is the most intelligent. Intelligence is not the issue. Truth and life is the issue. Do you know more about science than I do? I would expect you would, especially since that is the only source you put your trust in. You continue to look in the science books for your answers. But in the search for the origin of life, and for the giver of life, Jesus is the answer.
God is a God of mercy and love, and our lives are far more precious to Him than that of an ant. I’m concerned for those whose lives are hanging in the balance, not knowing which way to go. And I’m concerned that your message will be the reason that many might choose to ignore God’s offer of mercy, and miss out on His saving grace.
