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Georgia farmers have about 14,000 minimum wage jobs available but cant fill them because of the lack of migrant workers, leaving alot of crops in the fields to rot.  The governors idea was to use the unemployed that are on probation to fill the jobs but the positions are temporary, pay mostly minimum wage or less, and are many miles from where most live requiring transportation and housing to be provided. 

This year the state labor department has tracked 14,918 open agricultural jobs, but just 1,756 hires.

The law’s impact on farm labor was swift, said Bryan Tolar, president of the Georgia Agribusiness Council in Atlanta, which opposed the immigration law.

He said the agriculture industry considered Georgia’s law hasty, and that farmers watched in amazement when Alabama passed its version after the impact on labor was evident.

“It was like, ‘Good Lord, you people can’t be helped. Have you all not been paying attention?’” Tolar said. “As we say in the South, bless their hearts.”

 

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Unemployment has a lifetime limit of 99 weeks.  You dont actually think that people just receive a government assistance check forever, do you? 

 

Let me repeat.  The farm jobs are temporary.  The farms jobs pay minimum wage, or less.  While there may be 50,000 unemployed folks in Atlanta, there aren't very many farm jobs.   Who is going to do these jobs?  Who is going to do these jobs in AlObama?

The presence of the illegals, paid minimum wage, or less, forestalled the automation of much of this work.  When farm workers left the South for the factories of the north, cotton pickers were invented.

 

Short term, use non-violent convicted prisoners. Instead of 25 cents an hour prison wages, the farmers can pay minimum wage or better.  Then, the state can split the amount with half going to the prisoner's account. 

 

Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

Unemployment has a lifetime limit of 99 weeks.  You dont actually think that people just receive a government assistance check forever, do you? 

 

Let me repeat.  The farm jobs are temporary.  The farms jobs pay minimum wage, or less.  While there may be 50,000 unemployed folks in Atlanta, there aren't very many farm jobs.   Who is going to do these jobs?  Who is going to do these jobs in AlObama?

Let me repeat d***ohead, illegals are not the answer. What is your idea?

14,ooo huh?,, how many people on welfare?,, extended unemployment? What was it 53% don't pay taxes? It is a tuff love approach however I believe if my tax dollars stop supporting so many deadbeats there might not be a need for illegals and lower our taxes. i believe if we don't do something now the USA will become over populated.

My oh my. Who did those jobs before the illegals? Who did it before all the new equipment the farmers have now? Wouldn't it be wonderful to be able to tell a welfare leech that instead of "hanging out" today they have to go to work? What's cruel or wrong about asking someone to actually work for their money? If someone was handing me money I'd feel obligated to at least go to a park and pick up trash, something, to show I was a person of worth.

OK.  You guys are just ignorant. 

95% of farm jobs are temp jobs lasting no more than a few weeks.  The immigrants that do those jobs dont mind traveling and living out of their car.  Americans wont do that.

Plus, I think if you are on unemployment and then accept a job, even a temp job, you will no longer qualify for unemployment. 

You guys created the system, I'm just pointing out the failures, its up to you to fix it, not me. 

One of the problems is the long term checks for the unemployed. If I was drawing a check and would lose it if I went to work for basically the same pay, I wouldn't work either. It sounds a little tough but we have to force people to go to work. My mom and dad picked fruit in California when I was a toddler. I would do whatever work was necessary to feed my family. Ditto is right about one thing, we created this mess by handing out checks. We have to learn it's not our responsibility to raise everyone. There ARE jobs available. They're just not the type or pay that people are willing to take.

Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

OK.  You guys are just ignorant. 

95% of farm jobs are temp jobs lasting no more than a few weeks.  The immigrants that do those jobs dont mind traveling and living out of their car.  Americans wont do that.

Plus, I think if you are on unemployment and then accept a job, even a temp job, you will no longer qualify for unemployment. 

You guys created the system, I'm just pointing out the failures, its up to you to fix it, not me. 

I'm not asking you to fix it. Just give me an opinion of what you would do.

It sounds to me like you want an answer but will not settle for the ones provided Ditto. You just want to complain and let everyone else make the real decisions. I certainly don't stoop to your level of being all knowing, but I have a few recommendations. First, high school kids in the summer. I worked with my hands growing up and learned from it. How about better pay for the workers? Why should we encourage an illegal activity to save a dollar an hour? I agree with interventor that prisoners, non-violent of course, be allowed to earn a wage to have money and pay restitution. These are just ideas Ditto. Maybe you have a few?

You're the ones with all the answers.  Or, did the the xenophobes pass a law without having a thorough understanding of the implications???  WHat will the implications of removing a few billion dollars from the Georgia economy?...and perhaps the same from the AlObama economy???...will having fewer illegals make life better or worse for middle class AlObamians???

 

I'm pretty sure that using prisoners for private business operations is completely illegal, and has been for 100 years.  I love it when a Repub plan comes together!!!!!!

Mr. Dittohead: What you claim to be illegal goes on everyday in America! Have you ever heard of Unicor? That's right federal prison industries. They use prison labor everyday of the year! And not only do they pay em next to nothing, but they also compete with the private sector for contracts. Since they are an arm of the US government they are allowed to see the private sector bids before submitting there own! And then pay the prisoners 20 cents an hour. Neat little business huh?

Originally Posted by renecillo7:

Mr. Dittohead: What you claim to be illegal goes on everyday in America! Have you ever heard of Unicor? That's right federal prison industries. They use prison labor everyday of the year! And not only do they pay em next to nothing, but they also compete with the private sector for contracts. Since they are an arm of the US government they are allowed to see the private sector bids before submitting there own! And then pay the prisoners 20 cents an hour. Neat little business huh?

UNICOR is the federal government selling things to itself, not a commercial, for profit enterprise. 

Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

You're the ones with all the answers.  Or, did the the xenophobes pass a law without having a thorough understanding of the implications???  WHat will the implications of removing a few billion dollars from the Georgia economy?...and perhaps the same from the AlObama economy???...will having fewer illegals make life better or worse for middle class AlObamians???

 

I'm pretty sure that using prisoners for private business operations is completely illegal, and has been for 100 years.  I love it when a Repub plan comes together!!!!!!



Ditzy,

 

Do you just post this stuff without researching? Whether you pull it out of your head, or out of your rear, as usual, you're wrong!

 

At least 37 states legalized contracting of prison labor by private corporations.  These include IBM, Boeing, Motorola, Microsoft, AT&T, etc.

 

www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8289

 

Further research would reveal that Arizona, Texas and Colorado contract out prison labor to private farms.

I was wrong, and had always been under the belief that prison labor was prohibited from competing with private industry.  Obviously the use of prison labor at less than industry competitive wages should be illegal.  

 

If prisoners are willing to do the work of illegals for minimum wage + withholding, unem, and FICA, then have at it.  They can send their paychecks to their families. 

Originally Posted by renecillo7:

Mr. Dittohead: Who do you think that does all the work at Unicor? That's right the inmates! @ .20 an hour! All right I won't beat you up anymore!! I think you get it!

UNICOR only deal with other public entities, not in the private market.  On Redstone, UNICOR provides all manner of stuff.  The UNICOR catalog is 5 inches thick. 

When, I lived in Germany, my next door neighbor was an ex-U Boat captain.  Infact, his sub went down off the Florida coast early in the war. He and his crew spent most of the war in a US POW camp.  They were guarded by an all black MP unit (Army does have a sense of humor) armed with 12-guage pump shotguns with 3-foot bayonets.

 

As an officer, he didn't work, but supervised his men as they picked cotton and other crops.  Only German I knew who spoke English with a southern accent and knew what a tow sack was.   

Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

You're the ones with all the answers.  Or, did the the xenophobes pass a law without having a thorough understanding of the implications???  WHat will the implications of removing a few billion dollars from the Georgia economy?...and perhaps the same from the AlObama economy???...will having fewer illegals make life better or worse for middle class AlObamians???

 

I'm pretty sure that using prisoners for private business operations is completely illegal, and has been for 100 years.  I love it when a Repub plan comes together!!!!!!

So I take it no one introduced you to community corrections such as work release?

Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

 

If prisoners are willing to do the work of illegals for minimum wage + withholding, unem, and FICA, then have at it.  They can send their paychecks to their families. 

NO....the paychecks should not go to their families, at least not all of it.  Portions of their paychecks should go back to the prison system to pay for their upkeep.  Why should we as tax payers fund their lodging and sustinence,  provide them with employment, and then sends their earnings back to their family?  That makes no sense at all.  And secondly, they should not be given a choice to work.  They can either work, or bust rocks for the hgighway department.  Either way, they should not be sitting up watching television while ebing served two meals a day.


 

Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

Unemployment has a lifetime limit of 99 weeks.  You dont actually think that people just receive a government assistance check forever, do you? 

 


Then why not go work for 10-12 weeks and save those 10-12 weeks for a rainy day?  There is nothing wrong with working.  There is something wrong with being paid to not work.  Unemployment assistance isn't designed or intended to pay your bills, it is intended to keep you alive, NOT comfy, NOT content, NOT in cell phone minutes, NOT current on your bills, just alive.  That's it, nothing more.

Originally Posted by LE89:
Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

Unemployment has a lifetime limit of 99 weeks.  You dont actually think that people just receive a government assistance check forever, do you? 

 


Then why not go work for 10-12 weeks and save those 10-12 weeks for a rainy day?  There is nothing wrong with working.  There is something wrong with being paid to not work.  Unemployment assistance isn't designed or intended to pay your bills, it is intended to keep you alive, NOT comfy, NOT content, NOT in cell phone minutes, NOT current on your bills, just alive.  That's it, nothing more.

Look at your pay stub.  What you pay every period is unemployment insurance, not into an unemploymnet savings rainy day fund.  People that pay into the insurance are entitled to 100% of what they're due.  Once you take a temp job, you will no longer be eligible for unemployment beneits.  There is nothing wrong with collecting insurance.  

 

And, believe it or not, there is a great big world out there that extends beyond north AlObama where there are actual migrant workers that live in their cars much of the year.  You guys are so provincial

Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:
Originally Posted by LE89:
Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

Unemployment has a lifetime limit of 99 weeks.  You dont actually think that people just receive a government assistance check forever, do you? 

 


Then why not go work for 10-12 weeks and save those 10-12 weeks for a rainy day?  There is nothing wrong with working.  There is something wrong with being paid to not work.  Unemployment assistance isn't designed or intended to pay your bills, it is intended to keep you alive, NOT comfy, NOT content, NOT in cell phone minutes, NOT current on your bills, just alive.  That's it, nothing more.

Look at your pay stub.  What you pay every period is unemployment insurance, not into an unemploymnet savings rainy day fund.  People that pay into the insurance are entitled to 100% of what they're due.  Once you take a temp job, you will no longer be eligible for unemployment beneits.  There is nothing wrong with collecting insurance.  

 

And, believe it or not, there is a great big world out there that extends beyond north AlObama where there are actual migrant workers that live in their cars much of the year.  You guys are so provincial


You are wrong on so many points, I'll take them one at a time:
Yes, many people DO receive government assistance forever (if by forever, you meant their full lifetime).  Section 8, food stamps, disability just for starters, No 99 week limit there.

Irreguardless of what your paystub might say, you pay unemployment "TAX", not unemployment insurance.  You have heard of FUTA and SUTA.  "T" is for TAX, not insurance.

Insurance is something you buy to offset a catastrophic or semi-catastrophic loss whether it is home, life, auto, health, flood, boat, etc.  It is always been a voluntary purchase to my knowledge although I hear that will change soon on health insurance.

"Entitled", wow.  How about this for a system?  You can't get more out than you put in.  Forget the 99 week limit.  You can put in as little or as much as you want, BUT you can never overdraw your account.  "Entitled" is the *******g problem, some put $100 into the system, and feel entitled to draw $30,000 out of it, and complain every bit about that.

Yes I am aware that taking the temp job will temporarily cease one's unemployment benefits.  That's the purpose and point.  Wow do you really think like that?

Collecting insurance (again it isn't insurance) but if it were remember insurance fraud is a felony. 

The size of the world depends upon where you are looking from.  If you want to live in your car, knock yourself out.

I am sadly convinced your generation is the beginning of a slow, long, but hard fall.  

  

The program is part of the Department of Labor, but I will leave going to the website and discovering that it is an insurance based model for you to discover.  Of course, you will receive more than you pay in if you receive benefits, thats how insurance works.

 

I will try once more to explain the loss of benefit.  If you are receiving benefits and take a temp job, when the temp job is over and you are unemployed again, you cant go back start receiving benefits again.  So, taking a temp job means you better have a long term goal of continuing to take temp jobs or have a source of income lined up elsewhere. 

 

Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

The program is part of the Department of Labor, but I will leave going to the website and discovering that it is an insurance based model for you to discover.  Of course, you will receive more than you pay in if you receive benefits, thats how insurance works.

 

I will try once more to explain the loss of benefit.  If you are receiving benefits and take a temp job, when the temp job is over and you are unemployed again, you cant go back start receiving benefits again.  So, taking a temp job means you better have a long term goal of continuing to take temp jobs or have a source of income lined up elsewhere. 

 


Well I guess I should cancel my "Unemployment Insurance" since I don't plan on using it.  Who do I call?  My point is save your 99 weeks for as long as possible, your point is use them as soon as possible, why work when you can not work and get paid the same.  The answer is "because you are using up your 99 weeks when you don't have to".

 

You know a mannequin is a human based model, still not a human.  FUTA and SUTA are taxes, you can dress them up all you want and it still isn't insurance, it is a tax.

 

One should never take the risk of accepting a temp job.  Your boss could end up seeing you have motivation, skills, and abilities then offer you something permanant or long term.  OMG, what if you run into a guy who knows a guy who is looking for someone like you.  Geezzzzz, I could see how that might mess up that 99 week plan.

 

Never would I want to deny assistance to the unable nor the unfortunate, just the unwilling.

 

Since insurance "works" by paying out more than you pay in (according to you), I guess my home, health, and auto insurers owe me a lot of money.

 

Should I hope my employer lays me off two years before my retirement age so I can collect my "entitlement"?  Wait that would be abusing the system and its' intent wouldn't it?  I could refuse to look for another job or accept a lesser paying one and just ride that train.

 

There is a major difference in the way you (and others) think and the way I (and others) think.  There is also a reason I (and others) have what I (and others) have and you (and others) have what you (and others) have.  Don't wait your entire life to connect those dots.    

You can cancel your unemployment insurance by joining me in the ranks of the self-employed.

 

My point is, use every bit of the government benefits that you are entitled too. 

 

The topic is temporary farm work that traditionally has been done by migrant workers, so the possibility of getting a full-time position is ZERO!!!

 

"Since insurance "works" by paying out more than you pay in (according to you), I guess my home, health, and auto insurers owe me a lot of money."

How would an insurance business model work that requires the beneficiaries to pay in more than they stand to receive as compensation for their loss??? That how the Sopranos Insurance company would work. So, yes, I would assume that your home owners insurance would pay you much more than merely the premiums you paid in if your home was destroyed by a tornado.  Most policies even have automatic increases for home appreciation!!!  Do you understand how compound interest works and that a retirement fund has more value than merely the contributions you made?

 

 

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