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Like Beck or hate him, there is one thing I have heard him do, on the occasions that I have seen his show, that I don't think I've ever heard Olberman, Matthews, Maddow, or any other darlings of the left do. Beck said, "Don't take my word for it, look it up for yourself and do your own research!". I guess that passes for a shrewd tactic in the eyes of many....
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
I suggest you ask a Mormon. I'm not a devotee of any religion, but I do know why the Mormons "store up food", and I have ask questions about things I want to know from followers of other religions.


I have had visits from four different sets of Mormon "elders" doing their missionary work. None of these fuzzy-cheeked "elders" knew as much about Mormon history and doctrine as I do. I asked them numerous questions that pretty much dumfounded them. In particular, I showed them where the Book of Mormon condemns plural marriage and the Doctrine & Covenants (considered by Mormons as an inspired work equal in authority to the Bible)mandates every able Mormon man to engage in plural marriage, with both books citing the practice ln the Old Testamant--the Book of Mormon claiming it to have been an abomination in the sight of God and the D & C Testament asserting that the practice found no condemnation in His eyes.
When I showed each of these Mormon missionaries the conflicting passages from their "scriptures" none of them could explain the discrepancy, but each group promised to confer with someone in the church more knowledgeable than themselves and get back to me with an explanation. I never heard back from any of them.

When confronted with such difficulties, Mormons invariably will rationalize the matter by saying something essentially like this," I might not understand everything about the scriptures, but I have asked God to tell me if Joseph Smith is a true proplet of God and if the Book of Mormon is the true word of God, and God has revealed to my heart that these things are true."

Thus they rest their faith upon the emotional perception that God has come directly to them and confirmed their heresy!
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
I suggest you ask a Mormon. I'm not a devotee of any religion, but I do know why the Mormons "store up food", and I have ask questions about things I want to know from followers of other religions.


I have had visits from four different sets of Mormon "elders" doing their missionary work. None of these fuzzy-cheeked "elders" knew as much about Mormon history and doctrine as I do. I asked them numerous questions that pretty much dumfounded them. In particular, I showed them where the Book of Mormon condemns plural marriage and the Doctrine & Covenants (considered by Mormons as an inspired work equal in authority to the Bible)mandates every able Mormon man to engage in plural marriage, with both books citing the practice ln the Old Testamant--the Book of Mormon claiming it to have been an abomination in the sight of God and the D & C Testament asserting that the practice found no condemnation in His eyes.
When I showed each of these Mormon missionaries the conflicting passages from their "scriptures" none of them could explain the discrepancy, but each group promised to confer with someone in the church more knowledgeable than themselves and get back to me with an explanation. I never heard back from any of them.

When confronted with such difficulties, Mormons invariably will rationalize the matter by saying something essentially like this," I might not understand everything about the scriptures, but I have asked God to tell me if Joseph Smith is a true proplet of God and if the Book of Mormon is the true word of God, and God has revealed to my heart that these things are true."

Thus they rest their faith upon the emotional perception that God has come directly to them and confirmed their heresy!
Pardon me if I don't really believe you've been visited by Mormons (unless invited), or "stumped" them with questions. Personally I have never known Mormons to go door to door like that, and especially to the extent you'd be visited four times. I don't think you're an expert on the Mormon religion or any other. Your interest in the Mormons seems to stem from your hatred and fear of Glen Beck, and your desire to attack and discredit him. Have you taken apart other religions as well? Do you yourself follow any religion? It seems odd to me that you would devote so much time to Mormons and not all the other religions out there. Are you as well versed in Islam? Scientology? How about the Baptists, Church of Christ, Amish, Quakers, Jehovahs Witnesses, Catholics, the list goes on and on.
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
I suggest you ask a Mormon. I'm not a devotee of any religion, but I do know why the Mormons "store up food", and I have ask questions about things I want to know from followers of other religions.


I have had visits from four different sets of Mormon "elders" doing their missionary work. None of these fuzzy-cheeked "elders" knew as much about Mormon history and doctrine as I do. I asked them numerous questions that pretty much dumfounded them. In particular, I showed them where the Book of Mormon condemns plural marriage and the Doctrine & Covenants (considered by Mormons as an inspired work equal in authority to the Bible)mandates every able Mormon man to engage in plural marriage, with both books citing the practice ln the Old Testamant--the Book of Mormon claiming it to have been an abomination in the sight of God and the D & C Testament asserting that the practice found no condemnation in His eyes.
When I showed each of these Mormon missionaries the conflicting passages from their "scriptures" none of them could explain the discrepancy, but each group promised to confer with someone in the church more knowledgeable than themselves and get back to me with an explanation. I never heard back from any of them.

When confronted with such difficulties, Mormons invariably will rationalize the matter by saying something essentially like this," I might not understand everything about the scriptures, but I have asked God to tell me if Joseph Smith is a true proplet of God and if the Book of Mormon is the true word of God, and God has revealed to my heart that these things are true."

Thus they rest their faith upon the emotional perception that God has come directly to them and confirmed their heresy!


Any one else see the common thread??? Beter knows more than anyone else about everything.
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Originally posted by HIFLYER:
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
I suggest you ask a Mormon. I'm not a devotee of any religion, but I do know why the Mormons "store up food", and I have ask questions about things I want to know from followers of other religions.


I have had visits from four different sets of Mormon "elders" doing their missionary work. None of these fuzzy-cheeked "elders" knew as much about Mormon history and doctrine as I do. I asked them numerous questions that pretty much dumfounded them. In particular, I showed them where the Book of Mormon condemns plural marriage and the Doctrine & Covenants (considered by Mormons as an inspired work equal in authority to the Bible)mandates every able Mormon man to engage in plural marriage, with both books citing the practice ln the Old Testamant--the Book of Mormon claiming it to have been an abomination in the sight of God and the D & C Testament asserting that the practice found no condemnation in His eyes.
When I showed each of these Mormon missionaries the conflicting passages from their "scriptures" none of them could explain the discrepancy, but each group promised to confer with someone in the church more knowledgeable than themselves and get back to me with an explanation. I never heard back from any of them.

When confronted with such difficulties, Mormons invariably will rationalize the matter by saying something essentially like this," I might not understand everything about the scriptures, but I have asked God to tell me if Joseph Smith is a true proplet of God and if the Book of Mormon is the true word of God, and God has revealed to my heart that these things are true."

Thus they rest their faith upon the emotional perception that God has come directly to them and confirmed their heresy!


Any one else see the common thread??? Beter knows more than anyone else about everything.
I call it the "Big fish in a small pond" syndrome.

Big fish in a small pond
Meaning:

People who are important but only within their limited circle of influence, with limited being the key word.
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Originally posted by HIFLYER:
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
I suggest you ask a Mormon. I'm not a devotee of any religion, but I do know why the Mormons "store up food", and I have ask questions about things I want to know from followers of other religions.


I have had visits from four different sets of Mormon "elders" doing their missionary work. None of these fuzzy-cheeked "elders" knew as much about Mormon history and doctrine as I do. I asked them numerous questions that pretty much dumfounded them. In particular, I showed them where the Book of Mormon condemns plural marriage and the Doctrine & Covenants (considered by Mormons as an inspired work equal in authority to the Bible)mandates every able Mormon man to engage in plural marriage, with both books citing the practice ln the Old Testamant--the Book of Mormon claiming it to have been an abomination in the sight of God and the D & C Testament asserting that the practice found no condemnation in His eyes.
When I showed each of these Mormon missionaries the conflicting passages from their "scriptures" none of them could explain the discrepancy, but each group promised to confer with someone in the church more knowledgeable than themselves and get back to me with an explanation. I never heard back from any of them.

When confronted with such difficulties, Mormons invariably will rationalize the matter by saying something essentially like this," I might not understand everything about the scriptures, but I have asked God to tell me if Joseph Smith is a true proplet of God and if the Book of Mormon is the true word of God, and God has revealed to my heart that these things are true."

Thus they rest their faith upon the emotional perception that God has come directly to them and confirmed their heresy!


Any one else see the common thread??? Beter knows more than anyone else about everything.
I know the game he's playing. Wink
Actually, Mormons do go out door to door, just like Jehovah's Witnesses do. I have had them stop at my house a few times. It is always young people, and they go whever the church tells them to go.

Although I don't know as much about Mormonism as Beter does, I too was able to tell a couple of young Mormons some things they didn't know. I read science fiction (among other genres), and there is a very good writer named Orson Scott Card who happens to be Mormon. One of his books has quite a bit of information about what Mormons believe.

I don't know why you people hate Beter so much. I THINK it might have to do with his intelligence and eloquent writing style. Some folks are intimidated by that.

Hmm...come to think of it, there is another great man in this country who seems to cause that same kind of reaction...
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Originally posted by O No!:
Actually, Mormons do go out door to door, just like Jehovah's Witnesses do. I have had them stop at my house a few times. It is always young people, and they go whever the church tells them to go.

Although I don't know as much about Mormonism as Beter does, I too was able to tell a couple of young Mormons some things they didn't know. I read science fiction (among other genres), and there is a very good writer named Orson Scott Card who happens to be Mormon. One of his books has quite a bit of information about what Mormons believe.

I don't know why you people hate Beter so much. I THINK it might have to do with his intelligence and eloquent writing style. Some folks are intimidated by that.

Hmm...come to think of it, there is another great man in this country who seems to cause that same kind of reaction...
I don't hate him, and he doesn't have the fire power to intimidate me or anyone else I've seen posting to him. Why does an intelligent person need to keep a thesaurus at hand? If you're in awe of him that's your problem. Going to sites and copying and pasting others' comments and writings, and claiming them as your own is not intelligence. If I cut and paste I give credit to the original poster. I said I personally didn't know of any Mormons going door to door, and my question still stands, why is he singling out the Mormons? Why won't he say what religion he follows? No, this is simply what I said earlier, "Big fish small pond" syndrome. I still would like to know where his property is located in Mexico and what he wants for it. Smiler
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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
Muslims and Mormons are pretty much the same, with their plural marriages, crazy doctrines and practices. The Mormons just got a head start.


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According to the traditionalist view, the Qur'an began with revelations on Muhammad's divine revelations in AD 610. The verses of the Quran were written down and memorized during his life. Makkah was conquered by the Muslims in the year AD 630. In 628 the Makkan tribe of Quraish and the Muslim community in Madina had signed a truce called the Treaty of Hudaybiyya beginning a ten-year period of peace, which was broken when the Quraish and their allies, the tribe of 'Bakr', attacked the tribe of 'Khuza'ah', who were allies of the Muslims. Prophet Muhammad died in June 632



Mormonism is a religion practiced by members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, often called Mormons or Latter-day Saints. Most of the church's membership is localized in the Western part of the United States, especially Utah; members are also located elsewhere in the United States, Latin America, Asia, and Europe. It was reported in 1979 that the church had a worldwide membership of about 4 million. Today more than six million of the world's people are Mormons.

Joseph Smith, the son of a poor Vermont farmer founded the church in Fayette, New York in 1830.


I would say the Muslims following Mohammad had the 'head' start. As for crazy practices, all religions have those, just varies from one to the next.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
I suggest you ask a Mormon. I'm not a devotee of any religion, but I do know why the Mormons "store up food", and I have ask questions about things I want to know from followers of other religions.


I have had visits from four different sets of Mormon "elders" doing their missionary work. None of these fuzzy-cheeked "elders" knew as much about Mormon history and doctrine as I do. I asked them numerous questions that pretty much dumfounded them. In particular, I showed them where the Book of Mormon condemns plural marriage and the Doctrine & Covenants (considered by Mormons as an inspired work equal in authority to the Bible)mandates every able Mormon man to engage in plural marriage, with both books citing the practice ln the Old Testamant--the Book of Mormon claiming it to have been an abomination in the sight of God and the D & C Testament asserting that the practice found no condemnation in His eyes.
When I showed each of these Mormon missionaries the conflicting passages from their "scriptures" none of them could explain the discrepancy, but each group promised to confer with someone in the church more knowledgeable than themselves and get back to me with an explanation. I never heard back from any of them.

When confronted with such difficulties, Mormons invariably will rationalize the matter by saying something essentially like this," I might not understand everything about the scriptures, but I have asked God to tell me if Joseph Smith is a true proplet of God and if the Book of Mormon is the true word of God, and God has revealed to my heart that these things are true."

Thus they rest their faith upon the emotional perception that God has come directly to them and confirmed their heresy!


Pardon me if I don't really believe you've been visited by Mormons (unless invited), or "stumped" them with questions. Personally I have never known Mormons to go door to door like that, and especially to the extent you'd be visited four times. I don't think you're an expert on the Mormon religion or any other. Your interest in the Mormons seems to stem from your hatred and fear of Glen Beck, and your desire to attack and discredit him. Have you taken apart other religions as well? Do you yourself follow any religion? It seems odd to me that you would devote so much time to Mormons and not all the other religions out there. Are you as well versed in Islam? Scientology? How about the Baptists, Church of Christ, Amish, Quakers, Jehovahs Witnesses, Catholics, the list goes on and on.


Then you've not read many of beter's posts. Whether you agree with him or not, you have to at least accept that he's very intelligent and could "stump" a Mormon with questions without a problem.

In fact, many Christians could because what's in their Book or Mormon contradicts the Bible. Beter has already pointed out quite a bit of it and it has absolutely nothing to do with Glenn Beck. Personally, I didn't even know Beck was Mormon until well after I'd heard enough of his show to convince me he's crazy.

And the Mormon's do go door to door and try to convince people that Mormonism is the one true religion. I have a good friend who's Mormon - so is her family - and I've learned quite a bit about how they operate. Beter is right when he says they rationalize what doesn't make sense by saying "God revealed Mormonism as truth" and my friend used to tell me that Christianity is all based on faith anyway, so they just have faith that Joseph Smith was not a fraud.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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Originally posted by O No!:
Actually, Mormons do go out door to door, just like Jehovah's Witnesses do. I have had them stop at my house a few times. It is always young people, and they go whever the church tells them to go.

Although I don't know as much about Mormonism as Beter does, I too was able to tell a couple of young Mormons some things they didn't know. I read science fiction (among other genres), and there is a very good writer named Orson Scott Card who happens to be Mormon. One of his books has quite a bit of information about what Mormons believe.

I don't know why you people hate Beter so much. I THINK it might have to do with his intelligence and eloquent writing style. Some folks are intimidated by that.

Hmm...come to think of it, there is another great man in this country who seems to cause that same kind of reaction...
I don't hate him, and he doesn't have the fire power to intimidate me or anyone else I've seen posting to him. Why does an intelligent person need to keep a thesaurus at hand? If you're in awe of him that's your problem. Going to sites and copying and pasting others' comments and writings, and claiming them as your own is not intelligence. If I cut and paste I give credit to the original poster. I said I personally didn't know of any Mormons going door to door, and my question still stands, why is he singling out the Mormons? Why won't he say what religion he follows? No, this is simply what I said earlier, "Big fish small pond" syndrome. I still would like to know where his property is located in Mexico and what he wants for it. Smiler


Jennifer, if you will show me where I cut and pasted and failed to give credit where credit was due, I would surely appreciate it. You have asserted that criticism against me, but you have not provided a single example. I suggest you back up what you allege with some solid proof. That is the fair and ethical way to challenge the integrity of another.

As to my allegedly keeping a thesaurus at hand, I can say this. I do have a thesaurus, but in all honesty I have not used it for MONTHS, and seldom use it at all. How would you know if I DID use one? You are merely speculationg, since you could not possibly have any certain knowledge of my use of a thesaurus.

I suspect that you are among others of my "admirers" who assume, for whatever reason, that I could not possibly produce well-worded, literate material. Well, Jenny Baby, you are just wrong about that. If you disagree, then there is one way to prove you are not wrong. Put up the goods, Jennifer. Post evidence and proof, not just raw, unproven, hostile assumptions.

And Jennifer, it was NEW Mexico that I cited as the location of that oceanfront property available to folks who can easily be persuaded to believe almost anything.
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Originally posted by O No!:
Actually, Mormons do go out door to door, just like Jehovah's Witnesses do. I have had them stop at my house a few times. It is always young people, and they go whever the church tells them to go.

Although I don't know as much about Mormonism as Beter does, I too was able to tell a couple of young Mormons some things they didn't know. I read science fiction (among other genres), and there is a very good writer named Orson Scott Card who happens to be Mormon. One of his books has quite a bit of information about what Mormons believe.

I don't know why you people hate Beter so much. I THINK it might have to do with his intelligence and eloquent writing style. Some folks are intimidated by that.

Hmm...come to think of it, there is another great man in this country who seems to cause that same kind of reaction...


You're right. Two peas in a pod.
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Originally posted by O No! I don't know why you people hate Beter so much. I THINK it might have to do with his intelligence and eloquent writing style. Some folks are intimidated by that.

Hmm...come to think of it, there is another great man in this country who seems to cause that same kind of reaction...


That there is funny, I don't care who you are! Wink

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