Harsh Truths Reassuring Lies

Hi all,

The "Church of the YouTube" strikes again!  Wow, can you believe it -- Deep agrees with the atheist, Carl Sagan?  Not sure, but, I am beginning to believe that Deep would even agree with something written by Richard Dawson!   Can you imagine such a thing?   Oh well, the First Amendment does support everyone worshiping wherever they want -- be it in a Baptist church -- or at the Church of the YouTube.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Not only did you not contribute anything to the discussion, you can't even get your snide remarks correct.  I'm pretty sure Richard Dawson didn't write anything of importance.  Much like you.  Why are you invoking a Hogan's Hero, Bill? 

And the survey said..... Bill's contempt for truth and beauty knows no bounds.  It really is a pity.

DF

Hi Crusty,

True, my old Friend, I did make a typo error.  Can you imagine -- my first mistake this year?  Oh, well -- I suppose that just proves that we all are human after all.  Of course, the difference being that some of us are "saved human beings" -- adopted into His family -- having believed God's Word when it tells us that, by the grace of God, we are saved through faith in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8-9) and that we must be born again of the water (Living Water, i.e., the Written Word of God) and the Spirit (self explanatory).

But, my Friend, I am curious.  Why is it that you can see through your spiritually darkened glasses to find mistakes Christians make -- but, you cannot see clear enough through them to believe God's Word, repent, and turn to follow Him?   Very strange that you have 20/20 selective vision.

However, my Friend, I am happy to refer you to my "I" Doctor (or Eye Doctor).  His name is Jesus Christ and he can guaranty perfect spiritual vision to all who will follow Him.  Care to give Him a try?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Dawkins to Dawson.  How is that a typo?  More like addled brains. 

Bill, why can't you find a true relationship with God?  When will you elevate your spirituality above Kindergarten level?  When will you get your house in order? 

Let me refer you to a psychiatrist, you need medicine.  I'm worried about you.

Crusty, you are so cute when you get upset!

True, my old Friend, I did make a typo error.  Can you imagine -- my first mistake this year?  Oh, well -- I suppose that just proves that we all are human after all. 

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No, that is NOT your first mistake this year. It's not even just your second. Wonder why you get bent out of shape at having your mistakes pointed out to you, but you delight in doing it to others that don't agree with you. You never have anything to say to the half-wits that sing your praises when they make mistake after mistake. Why is that bill? 

His name is Jesus Christ and he can guaranty perfect spiritual vision to all who will follow Him.  Care to give Him a try?

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Can he teach you to use the word guarantee?  

I'm not upset. 

I suppose for the same reason that when you write "Why is that bill?" instead of the correct, "Why is that, Bill?" -- I do not correct you.

Actually, I truly appreciate it when a Friend corrects a typo, grammatical, or spelling error.  That only makes my writing better and more effective.   When I first began writing and sending my Friends Ministry eNewsletters about 12 years ago, I was introduced to a Friend in Missouri who, at first, was rather adversarial.   But, over time, we began to realize that we had more in common than the few things where we disagreed.  We became and stayed close Friends until Marna went home to the Lord a few years back.

She was a retired school teacher and would often correct my writing when I goofed.  I sincerely appreciated it -- for it improved my writing skills.

What I did not appreciate (just joking) was when she told me that I was a fundamentalist Baptist like her husband.  She and her husband had been Baptists; he, a deacon.  Her son and daughter-in-law were in a Pentecostal church and she eventually joined them, leaving her deacon husband to attend his Baptist church alone.  She and I often joked about me being a Fundamentalist Baptist like her husband; which she would tell me when we disagreed.  But, in spite of this -- we remained close Friends until her death.

So, Jennifer, my Friend -- if you, Crusty, or any of my Forum Friends want to take Marna's place and be my Christian Friend -- I welcome you.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

So bill, you can't answer. I'm not one bit surprised.

Hi Jennifer,

Forgive me, my Friend -- but, I have seen no question from you.  I have seen comments and spelling corrections -- for which I thank you.  But, a question to be answered -- where is it? 

By the way, I am happy you have chosen to take the place of my Missouri school teacher Friend -- and help me improve my writings.   Good Friends are hard to find.  Welcome, Friend.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

 You never have anything to say to the half-wits that sing your praises when they make mistake after mistake.  Why is that bill? 

OK, I had a bit of fun with Bill's typo.  Fair enough.

What's much sadder is his inability to recognize what Sagan was saying, or even to consider it.  That religion is the natural, if wrong, product of the pre-scientific mind.  To wit:

Creation requires a deliberate creator, because humans understand a primitive cause-effect relationship.

Heaven is a kingdom, because the people who wrote the bible were ignorant of other political hierarchies, even as much as they should have been.

The scale of the universe was defined before the microscope and the telescope.

Science demands honesty.  Bill is incapable of such.

I could go on, but the gist is this:  Rather than being born again, into a culture of lies, ignorance, and death, we would be better off simply growing up and realizing what our species has discovered.  Much more truth, beauty, happiness, and potential awaits us after that fashion.

Religion is the first, and therefor, necessarily, worst explanation for existence.  Let us give it credit as a baseline for examination, a hypothesis to be supported or rejected by evidence.  It has been rejected in every case.  Time to move on, as millions of Americans are finding out every year.

DF

It makes me feel sorry for people like Bill and 6Packk who are so enslaved by thIs ridiculos mythology. The enormous amount of willful ignorance and hubris necessary to pretend to believe this silly fairy tale is obviously very taxing mentally.

Typing isn't one of my skills either...ridiculous

I presume the question you are trying to ask is:  "You never have anything to say to the half-wits that sing your praises -- when they make mistake after mistake.  Why is that, Bill?"         

Well, if they don't throw stones at me -- why should I throw stones at them?  For the most part, the other Christians on the Religion Forum and I agree.  Yes, there are issues where we disagree; but, more -- the important ones -- where we agree.  And, even on issues where a Christian brother or sister disagrees with me -- he/she does not throw stones at me.  So, we learn to live with one another's peccadilloes.

On the other hand, my Friends in the cabal will disagree and throw stones even if I write no more than, "Good morning!"  

I will say this -- I have found and corrected many grammatical and spelling errors, lots of them typos, in virtually all of my cabal Friends posts, and in many of my Friends' posts.  Most often I will make the correction and walk on by.  Other times, when a cabal Friend is pontificating and making lots of huffing and puffing noises -- I will give him/her a (sic) just to get his/her attention.

And, I will close by saying that your "Why is that bill?" is erroneous for several reasons.  It should be, "Why is that, Bill?" to be grammatically correct.

I don't believe you do this because you do not know how to write using proper grammar.  It would appear that this is done for one of two reasons:  (1) You are too lazy to type the sentence properly, or (2) You are fulfilling your desire to insult by not using capital letters, much as you do with the name of God.

But, God will get over it.  And, so will I.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Bill, any stone throwing has always been started by you. Actually you did answer the question. You're a hypocrite.

Has no one seen the video?

Carl starts off stating that we see the universe in terms of humanity.  The gods we imagine are products of sexual congress.  Really?

The Universe was small, and we were naturally the center of it.  The stars and planets were put there to  entertain us.  What nonsense.

In other words, we extrapolated human experience to the universe as a whole.  What hubris.  What ignorance.  The ignorance, even the hubris, can be forgiven to the ancients.  It cannot to our contemporaries.

DF

I watched the video deep as I always do. I enjoyed it very much. I hope you watched it with understanding. Carl said many things that you should think about.

Given that , how about you watching this youtube video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJpEQEs-6bs&feature=endscreen&NR=1

Seems like a smart guy, Rramm.  Too bad the best he could come up with was Pascal's Wager.  Disappointing.

I had the chance to meet and have dinner with Carl Sagan at the Machinist Union Convention in Atlanta in 1988. While I can not agree with everthing he has said, I still have a great deal of respect for the man.

yeah as I've said before ole Carl's wild imagination influenced the believing public to finance space exploration as we know it today. The atheist would not have had the recources to light a firecracker.

...and by the way Carl is one of the many persons "claimed"[ he wasn't] by the atheist camp to be one. The next thing the atheists will try claiming is their grandmothers. lol

Originally Posted by: Bill Gray

if they don't throw stones at me -- why should I throw stones at them?  For the most part, the other Christians on the Religion Forum and I agree. 

even on issues where a Christian brother or sister disagrees with me -- he/she does not throw stones at me.  So, we learn to live with one another's peccadilloes.

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Could you give us the names of those Christians?