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http://www.infidels.org/librar...er/homerandmark.html

 

That's a link to a review of what looks like an interesting book.  It's on my "must read" list.

 

As you know, the Gospel of "Mark" was the first Gospel, if you discount the mysterious "Q".  The other Gospels are derivative of Mark.  According to this book, many of the accounts of Jesus are plagiarized, even if reversed, from the Iliad, a book that the Greek authors of the Gospels knew well.

 

Here's a tasty video on the subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTJT67kgsfc

 

I'm not saying this is THE story of the NT, just an interesting thought.  What say you?

 

DF

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Hi Deep,

 

One day you will be able to confirm directly with God who was responsible for writing the Gospels.  But, by that time, your mind will not be on Homer, Shakespeare, or any other worldly writers.   You will have bigger issues on your mind.   But, for now, play your little games.

 

When I think of you I have trouble not thinking of the man standing in the middle of the interstate asking, "What truck?" as the 18-wheeler rumbles toward him.  

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Very interesting.

 

It's pretty hard to argue with that theory. He has definitely provided ample evidence to prove his point. I have heard something similar to this before. It was a normal thing for writers to do. Basically take old tales and retell them with their own improvements (or attempts at improvement). Its a plausible theory of Marks origins.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Deep,

 

One day you will be able to confirm directly with God who was responsible for writing the Gospels.  But, by that time, your mind will not be on Homer, Shakespeare, or any other worldly writers.   You will have bigger issues on your mind.   But, for now, play your little games.

 

When I think of you I have trouble not thinking of the man standing in the middle of the interstate asking, "What truck?" as the 18-wheeler rumbles toward him.  

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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I warned you, Bill. 

 

#9, #6

Seems like a bit of a stretch to me.  I've read Mark, The Illiad, and The Odyssey.  Never once did I think they were similar, not even close.  Thinking about it, if anything I would have compared Jesus to Hector, not Odysseus.  In the end both knew they were going to die, but both went willingly.  Both had to die for the sins or others: Jesus for everyone, Hector for his brother Paris.  Hector was the son of the king, Jesus the Son of God.  There are probably others, but lots of differences also.  Hector was a killer and could be vain, Jesus was the opposite.

 

Also, don't forget about the Book Of John.  It contains a lot of material not found in the other three Gospels.

Of course we have DF what a silly question. Keep in mind orgies and feasting were tempered with a religious  reverence of Homer. Monopoly hadn’t been invented. No doubt Mark and  any contemporary  of his,  even Jesus quoted Homer . By Homers day every  sit-com had already been invented in the Olden Testament so no big news.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

When I think of you I have trouble not thinking of the man standing in the middle of the interstate asking, "What truck?" as the 18-wheeler rumbles toward him.

And when I read your posts I think about a man driving a truck at breakneck speeds down the sidewalk, cursing "those idiot pedestrians walking in this lane of the road."  So at least there's symmetry.

Originally Posted by Aeneas:
Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

When I think of you I have trouble not thinking of the man standing in the middle of the interstate asking, "What truck?" as the 18-wheeler rumbles toward him.

And when I read your posts I think about a man driving a truck at breakneck speeds down the sidewalk, cursing "those idiot pedestrians walking in this lane of the road."  So at least there's symmetry.

Aeneaus there are those of us not comfortable with your using the term “symmetry” in such a loose manner.

quote:  Originally Posted by Alphonse:

Seems like a bit of a stretch to me.  I've read Mark, The Illiad, and The Odyssey.  Never once did I think they were similar, not even close.  Thinking about it, if anything I would have compared Jesus to Hector, not Odysseus.  In the end both knew they were going to die, but both went willingly. 

 

Both had to die for the sins or others: Jesus for everyone, Hector for his brother Paris.  Hector was the son of the king, Jesus the Son of God.  There are probably others, but lots of differences also.  Hector was a killer and could be vain, Jesus was the opposite.

 

Also, don't forget about the Book Of John.  It contains a lot of material not found in the other three Gospels.

Hi Alphonse,

 

Yet, there is a very large difference between the characters in The Illiad, and The Odyssey and those in the Gospels.   There is no question that characters in the first two are fictional.  Yet, the character, Jesus Christ, and those with whom He interacted in the Gospels, is far from fictional.  And, this is validated, not only in religious writings, but in secular historical writings.

 

And, it is true that all four Gospels differ to some degree -- for they were written for different audiences and to serve different purposes.  Matthew was written for the Jewish audience and basically said to the Jews, "Behold your King!"   Mark was also written for the Jewish audience and said to them, "Behold the Servant Son!" 

 

This is why Matthew has the genealogy of Jesus and shows His genealogy starting with Abraham and proceeding forward to Jesus, as was the Jewish custom.

 

And, Mark showing Jesus as the Suffering Servant who came to die for us -- gives no genealogy, for the Jews did not concern themselves with the genealogies of servants.

 

Luke, being the only Gentile writer in the Gospels, wrote his Gospel for the Gentile audience, declaring, "Behold the Perfect Man."  In his Gospel we do see a genealogy, but, done in the Gentile manner, starting with Jesus and looking backward as we do today:  From Jesus back through His earthly ancestors, all the way to Adam and God.

 

The first three Gospels are called the Synoptic Gospels for they do include a lot of the same events and material.  The Gospel of John is different for John was concerned more with showing the the deity of Jesus Christ.  That is why it begins, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"  (John 1:1).  Actually, that last phrase, "and the Word was God" when read in the Greek language says, "and God was the Word" -- which is the true sense of the deity of Christ.  He was and is God; God the Son.

 

Why four Gospels?  For the same reason we do not have only one sports reporter at the Alabama-Auburn games.  More writers gives us different perspectives of the same event.   In the Gospels, one wrote more about the parables, another emphasized His miracles and signs, etc.   Put them all together and we get a more complete understanding of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and His purpose for coming to earth in the form of man.

 

Our atheist Friends have to denigrate God, Jesus Christ, and the Bible -- for if they weakened and admitted that, down deep, they really know God to be real, they have a problem.  Admitting that God exists -- means that, in some way, to some degree, they owe Him, the Creator, allegiance.

 

By denying His existence -- they can declare themselves to be their own gods -- and Relativism to be their religious theology.   But, like all true stories where we already know the ending -- one day they will not be able to deny Him.  Then comes the time to pay the piper!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

quote:   Originally Posted by Aeneas:
quote:   Originally Posted by Quaildog:

Aeneaus there are those of us not comfortable with your using the term “symmetry” in such a loose manner.

Fair enough.  The man in the middle of the interstate wasn't claiming it was paved specifically for his own use, and no one else's.
Hi Aeneas,

 

By the way, how is that to be pronounced?   But, moving on -- the only response I can give to your statement is, "Duh!  What are you trying to say?"

 

The guy standing in the middle of the Interstate insanely declaring, "What truck?" as the 18-wheeler rumbles toward him -- is road kill whether or not he believes in trucks.

 

And, the atheist who stubbornly denies God -- is spiritual road kill whether he/she believes in God or not.

 

But, my Friend, you keep on keeping on.  I am sure you will get the point eventually.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:   Originally Posted by Aeneas:
quote:   Originally Posted by Quaildog:

Aeneaus there are those of us not comfortable with your using the term “symmetry” in such a loose manner.

Fair enough.  The man in the middle of the interstate wasn't claiming it was paved specifically for his own use, and no one else's.
Hi Aeneas,

 

By the way, how is that to be pronounced?   But, moving on -- the only response I can give to your statement is, "Duh!  What are you trying to say?"

 

The guy standing in the middle of the Interstate insanely declaring, "What truck?" as the 18-wheeler rumbles toward him -- is road kill whether or not he believes in trucks.

 

And, the atheist who stubbornly denies God -- is spiritual road kill whether he/she believes in God or not.

 

But, my Friend, you keep on keeping on.  I am sure you will get the point eventually.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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#6 #9 and jibber jabber.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Quaildog:

i easily recognize the devil here as being DF.

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Then you have no idea what the Devil is all about.

If you want to learn, read the post of Bill Gray.

Semi, Bill may be but most on here are quite comfortable ,it seems, with DF serving in that capacity.

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