Hope Lauderdale County Board of Ed and Superintendent does the right thing!

Don't hold your breath. This is an "up and coming star" you are talking about. He is in the clique. This "star" will most likely get promoted to Central as is rumored to have been in the works for years. I'm sure they will word it as "part of his punishment" but we all know that game. As for the counselor, well, I'm sure they'll leave her in Waterloo helping mold lives as well. No one will be punished. The super only punishes the ones he doesn't have connections with and that make him look like he's doing his job when it is convenient.

Would this be the Principal or Asst. Principal at Waterloo you are talking about?

The last one of these 'incidents' I heard of, the man went on to be a head football coach. A greatly loved and successful coach, I do believe. I am not sure what became of the lady, but I don't think she fared as well.

This is the kind of stuff that really demoralizes those of us who behave ourselves but have not a chance of getting hired in Lauderdale County.

Homesick, its not your qualifications and education that matters, its who you know and where you go to church, as to whether you get a job you won't in the county system.

There was another thread about it as well, but it is the Head Principal and the Guidance Counselor -- both from Waterloo.

Bamacarl, you are very correct. Lauderdale County is more political than Muscle Shoals City is -- it is very sad actually. It's all what clique you are in. Sad thing is the kids are who suffers even though the "adults" want to act like things like this don't affect them.

Sadly, all of the posts on the threads listed are correct.Some feel that they can act or do whatever they want to do, without a thought of their position.I suppose this feeling of "I am untouchable" is perhaps the result of my older generation NOT holding the younger to be accountable for their actions growing up. I suppose we were too concerned with their self esteem issues to teach respect. However, the Lauderdale County Board members, and most assuredly the Superintendent, are of the generation that is supposed to uphold morality and integrity. We will see how much integrity they have by their decision on whether to penalize the principal and counselor in
question for their unprofessional and unethical
conduct, or if they look over it because they are supposedly in the "clique" in their little communities. I know there are many hardworking, God fearing young people who would love to have the chance to have a good job and have conducted themselves as good examples and are without a job right now in education due to cuts, proration, etc.It is a shame that these two educators did not value their jobs anymore than they did. As I state before, all of the board members and the Superintendent would look any voter in the eye and declare to be Christians with the best interest of the children at heart. We shall see, we shall see....

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Originally posted by Eastside:
There was another thread about it as well, but it is the Head Principal and the Guidance Counselor -- both from Waterloo.

Bamacarl, you are very correct. Lauderdale County is more political than Muscle Shoals City is -- it is very sad actually. It's all what clique you are in. Sad thing is the kids are who suffers even though the "adults" want to act like things like this don't affect them.

Muscle Shoals POLITICAL?? Surely you jest.

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Originally posted by bamacarl:
Homesick, its not your qualifications and education that matters, its who you know and where you go to church, as to whether you get a job you won't in the county system.

You're right Carl. I know that disgruntled job seekers often make this kind of accusation. But in this case, I believe it is true that you must KNOW someone or BE someone to get hired in Lauderdale County. When those openings are posted, it is just a formality to satisfy the law. The positions are filled well in advance of the postings, and often before there even is an opening someone is groomed for a certain job.

If these charges against the administrators at Waterloo are true, this would be a good opportunity for the school board to prove us wrong and do the right thing for once.

It is all who you know in Lauderdale County and unfortunately, I don't see that changing any time soon.

I just hope the board realizes the impact making the decision to "let this slide" and pretend "this is a private family" matter will bring to the county in future situations. No it isn't the first time affairs have happened, but when the board turns a blind eye that tells the adults "have fun" and in turn teaches the kids "it's ok to cheat on your spouse". If they don't stand their ground, future ones will be able to say "well you didn't do anything in this situation" and it could open them up for a lawsuit.

well that is just like at Rogers, we have the Hanky Panky Pirates nickname for a reason. The answer here has been to move the wife into a job at the school. Oh & if you aren't a member of the Church of Christ Church..... you will not get hired. It is even so bad that ever Senior picked by the teachers for spring corination was COC except 2.

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Originally posted by original thought:
well that is just like at Rogers, we have the Hanky Panky Pirates nickname for a reason. The answer here has been to move the wife into a job at the school. Oh & if you aren't a member of the Church of Christ Church..... you will not get hired. It is even so bad that ever Senior picked by the teachers for spring corination was COC except 2.

That's awful. Some smart math student ought to do a statistical analysis of that coronation court based on the overall church affiliation of the senior class.

It's not all COC, but they are all in with someone in some shape or fashion. It is very "who you know". Some of them are great and some of them -- yea, not so much. Just because you are with the "in crowd" doesn't mean you will be a great teacher. We'll see how much backbone the Supe and Board have tonight and if they will stand up for what is right and moral or if that only applies to people like Allen Wilson or people that funnel funds.

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Originally posted by Eastside:
It's not all COC, but they are all in with someone in some shape or fashion. It is very "who you know". Some of them are great and some of them -- yea, not so much. Just because you are with the "in crowd" doesn't mean you will be a great teacher. We'll see how much backbone the Supe and Board have tonight and if they will stand up for what is right and moral or if that only applies to people like Allen Wilson or people that funnel funds.

And they let Allen Wilson bully people for way too long before he finally snapped and they had no choice but to do something.

It really is sad.

As long as you have an elected Superintendent, you will have political hiring decisions.

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Originally posted by falcon1234:
As long as you have an elected Superintendent, you will have political hiring decisions.

That's BS. What does everyone say about the Muscle Shoals School System???? Political. Gotta know someone to get a job. Blah, Blah, Blah.

You know what they have? Appointed Superintendent.

As long as you have humans making hiring decisions, you will have other humans claiming politics, race, or someother reason for the decision.

The fact is normally only the deciding official knows all the candidates, their qualifications, and the attributes he/she is looking for.

The rest of us have to guess. And do you know what happens when we don't have all the facts? We tend to make up our own. Or see things that aren't there like politics or discrimination. It comes from our inability to see things that we have a vested personal interest in objectively.

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Originally posted by Eastside:
Lauderdale County is more political than Muscle Shoals City is

I find this very hard to believe, Eastside. And here I was thinking of pulling up camp and moving across the river.

I do not believe there is a "morality clause" that exists anymore. If so, a Colbert County teacher would have been fired several years ago for being escorted out of several local bars for being drunk and fighting. Not exactly the kind of person I want TEACHING my child.

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Originally posted by CryMeARiver:

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Originally posted by Eastside:
Lauderdale County is more political than Muscle Shoals City is

I find this very hard to believe, Eastside. And here I was thinking of pulling up camp and moving across the river.

I do not believe there is a "morality clause" that exists anymore. If so, a Colbert County teacher would have been fired several years ago for being escorted out of several local bars for being drunk and fighting. Not exactly the kind of person I want TEACHING my child.

There are still clauses, but the board/superintendents have not been doing their job in upholding the standards. They only use them when it fits a purpose or agenda or when their backs are against the wall on another issue. They try not to hold these educators to that standard because they fear they can't meet that high standard either -- and then we wonder why our schools are in such dire shape.

Muscle Shoals is extremely political and yes you do have to know someone to get a job, but Lauderdale County is right there with them. I've been watching it since the 80s and only the names have changed.

It's been my experience outside of schools that you have to "know someone" to get a job just about anywhere. Try getting a job at Florence Utilities, International Paper, TVA/Browns Ferry, or even the convenience store down the road. If a decision-maker "knows" one of the applicants, that person inherently has an advantage. It's not a practice that only occurs in our public schools.

It's our human nature to enjoy having a connection that benefits us and to complain and cry out "politics" when we don't.

So where are all your comments this morning??

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Originally posted by only14u:
So where are all your comments this morning??

I believe it's probably about right. If you believe the rumors, then you have to believe this incident cost the person in question a promotion.

I have not been around -- what did the board decide? I'm sure I can guess

Eastside - here is the link to the article...

http://www.timesdaily.com/arti...perintendent-retires

decide for yourself what they did....

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decide for yourself what they did....

You seem to imply by tone that you disagree. Many people have opinions on what the wrong answer is but very few ever offer opinions as to what the right one would be.

If you were superintendent, what would you have done?

I fully agree with what they did... I am just wondering where all those people that spouted off about how nothing would be done have not visited and voiced their appreciation to the board for doing what was right.These type people only want to grip and complain about the superintendent and board members when things are not done as they think they should be. Notice they have not been back to praise the decision. It was a no win situation for everyone.

Only the people with all the information can know what the right/wrong decision should/could be. Most of the time the general public doesn't know the half of it.

Why would I come on here and praise the board when they did exactly what I said they would do -- ignore what he did and put him at Central under some other disguise? Same old status quo.

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Originally posted by Sam:

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decide for yourself what they did....

You seem to imply by tone that you disagree. Many people have opinions on what the wrong answer is but very few ever offer opinions as to what the right one would be.

If you were superintendent, what would you have done?

If I were superintendent my action would have been to remove him from an administrative position and make him a regular old teacher again. He has tenure so you may or may not be tied to keeping him in a job, but someone that blatantly ignores the rules and morals and what is right and wrong -- doesn't need to be in an executive position. If you break the rules how can you make others abide by them? Double standard.

Notice nothing was said about her. I'm not sure what actions could have been taken with her -- if she is a former teacher -- she would have been "demoted" as well.

Eastside - stay tuned for the next installment of this saga... it is not over.

and he didn't get a promotion... a two step demotion to the tune of about $21000. Maybe you wanted a public flogging at Dollar General??

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Originally posted by only14u:
and he didn't get a promotion... a two step demotion to the tune of about $21000. Maybe you wanted a public flogging at Dollar General??

I didn't say he got a promotion, but he did get what he wanted -- to be at Central. That's the reward/deal whatever you want to call it that has been in the works for a while now. A public flogging? No, but like I said -- one that doesn't follow the rules shouldn't be enforcing the rules.

the deal/reward that was in the works (as you put it) was he was to be the 12 month principal at Central. Yes he is at central, but he is the 10 month principal - low man on the totem pole. lots of difference.

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Originally posted by only14u:
the deal/reward that was in the works (as you put it) was he was to be the 12 month principal at Central. Yes he is at central, but he is the 10 month principal - low man on the totem pole. lots of difference.

Let's see 12 month principal at Waterloo (smallest school in the county) to Assistant Principal at Central (one of the largest probably) -- yea, such a big slap on the wrist.

At least you acknowledge there was something in the works. It really doesn't matter. The board proved exactly how they will handle these "delicate situations" again. The only ones that suffer are the kids in the end. The learn by example -- actions speak louder than words.

Eastside, all 12 month principals begin with the same base salary. Some make a little more than others based on degrees and experience. He was making close to the same money as the Principal at Brooks High and less than the most experienced like the one at LCHS. Should he have been busted to a teacher, probably. But he is the type to threaten lawsuit if he was not placed in a position like that. The best things for all is for this to stop being a topic of conversation. Call the superintendent if you do not like the way it was handled or run for office. Oh and by the way, the female involved was demoted to classroom teacher. Once again, instead of dragging this up, call and complain about how it was handled and let this rest. John 8:1-11

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Originally posted by unbelieveable:
Eastside, all 12 month principals begin with the same base salary. Some make a little more than others based on degrees and experience. He was making close to the same money as the Principal at Brooks High and less than the most experienced like the one at LCHS. Should he have been busted to a teacher, probably. But he is the type to threaten lawsuit if he was not placed in a position like that. The best things for all is for this to stop being a topic of conversation. Call the superintendent if you do not like the way it was handled or run for office. Oh and by the way, the female involved was demoted to classroom teacher. Once again, instead of draging this up, call and complain about how it was handled and let this rest. John 8:1-11

I'm not sure what's funnier, the fact that you dissed him while trying to get me to stop stating my opinion or the fact that you want me to shut up because that "is what's best for all"? How is that best? Calling the board/super out for making decisions because they fear a lawsuit instead of based on what is right or wrong? No wonder the board is as lame as it is. With no one willing to hold them to a standard, they've been doing this for decades because of that very attitude. As for if I don't like it -- call the superintendent -- he's part of the problem. I have voiced my opinion on several occasions and it falls on deaf ears. As for if I don't like it run for office -- I don't have to run for office to change things -- I just have to cast my vote. I can state my opinion and let others decide for themselves and cast their vote. If they don't know that decisions like this are being made over situations like this -- how can they make an "informed decision" on who they vote for? Oh wait that's right -- they don't get to make an informed decision -- all they get are the talking points on roadside signs.

Just from the few posts I've seen -- she might have pretty good grounds for a lawsuit if he got "less" punishment than she did. Then again, just my opinion.

And everybody has one!

It is so easy to sit behind your keyboard with your anonymity in check, and make blatant statements about things you know nothing about...rumor mills that add a little spice to life...the decisions made in the above circumstance were not made in a vacuum...facts were presented...decisions were made....by more than one person....walk a mile in someone else' shoes before you muddy the water...how would your personal lives stand up under such scrutiny.

I can only laugh at the comments I've read. Go ahead and blame your own short comings on the Church of Christ. Why not blame it on the Pope or maybe the Amish? They all have the same control over the Lauderdale Co school system. No wait, the Masons still control the system. Get a life!

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Originally posted by Eastside:
It's not all COC, but they are all in with someone in some shape or fashion. It is very "who you know". Some of them are great and some of them -- yea, not so much. Just because you are with the "in crowd" doesn't mean you will be a great teacher. We'll see how much backbone the Supe and Board have tonight and if they will stand up for what is right and moral or if that only applies to people like Allen Wilson or people that funnel funds.

Allen Wilson should have been gone way before now. When I had him in 2005 he would blatently look up 15 year old girl's skirts in class and bully any student he didn't like. The best thing for Brooks was when Mathis left. He didn't inforce any rules and if you were a cheeleader or football player you could do whatever you wanted. The school system around here is ridiculous.

WOW... Since I read the article about a parent in Colbert County trying to appeal to the School Board about Billy Hudsons threats and gestapo tactics( and they have ignored their duties by not seeking out or reporting the truth..yet ??? Get a backbone people and do your jobs...your child could be next one unfairly punished.)
Just because no one cares to stand up to these superintendents like Billy Hudson they will continue to be rude, crude and endanger other students with his gastapo taticts toward students, parents and teachers by causing problems and false reports on school records that will follow and hurt them the rest of their lives.
I have been reading alot of Forums and your posts on here about other local school systems problems with School Board Members and and Superintendents abusing students, parens and teachers to afraid to speak up.
Why are the State Goverment Leaders and Senitors and Congressmen getting involved to resolve these matters and see justice done for our schools?

See and respond to the POLL under POLITICS and respond start one in your school district....?

OR SUPERINTENDENTS: Just get over your self admit you were wrong and start telling the truth and start setting proper exzmples for our kids and schools and our towns.

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Originally posted by JaneQPublic:

OR SUPERINTENDENTS: Just get over your self admit you were wrong and start telling the truth and start setting proper exzmples for our kids and schools and our towns.

Dream big I guess huh? For grown men to admit they are wrong? I won't hold my breath. With all of these teachers and admin that keep "getting away with things" with a slap on the wrist or a turned cheek -- it makes you wonder what they have on the "powers that be" to keep the ax from falling. Especially for all the years that some of these monsters have kept their jobs. Makes you wonder what skeletons are in which closets. Someone said "the truth shall set you free" -- wonder if that's true?