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Originally posted by JimiHendrix:
I would really like to see some evidence for the existence of God. I am not looking for what you "feel" or "believe" but some real evidence. I don't believe that there is any evidence. Someone please prove me wrong.
stick your head out the door ******* and seE what he has made for you.
Who told you "he" made that? The bible? Who wrote the bible? That would be man.

There is no evidence, never has been, just power hungry people seeking something to use to control the minds and will of others. Those gullible enough to believe are just puppets to those who know better, but use religion to support their agenda. It's the greatest scam ever invented. I will give it that.

If a god is responsible for our creation, I would be grateful, but he left no evidence that supports that claim. Their have been thousands of theologies, and many of them before Christianity. How can anyone be so shallow as to look upon one religion and claim it is the only right one? Most people believe out of fear of death and no afterlife. Many believe because it comforts them to think there is someone watching over them that has magical abilities to heal and help them through trying times in their life. Many believe because of the fear of eternal ****ation. Many believe because their parents told them so. Whatever the reason to believe, doesn't make it true. I'm not telling you that you don't have the right to believe what you want. I want to believe aliens landed in Roswell in 47, but I have no evidence to support that claim, so I cannot justifiably say that it's true.
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Originally posted by JimiHendrix:
I would really like to see some evidence for the existence of God. I am not looking for what you "feel" or "believe" but some real evidence. I don't believe that there is any evidence. Someone please prove me wrong.

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How many times has this been asked?

There is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

Prove me wrong, and not with your childish one liners you trolls

like so much.

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Originally posted by JimiHendrix:
I would really like to see some evidence for the existence of God. I am not looking for what you "feel" or "believe" but some real evidence. I don't believe that there is any evidence. Someone please prove me wrong.


Hi Jimmi, Why do you want proof there is a God? Do you want to believe? I would just leave it as it is in your life and mind. To you there is no God. Why make your life more difficult by finding out there is one? If you found out there is a God, you would have to follow all His rules, then there would be the problem of, out of the thousands of religions out there , which one is the true on having Power and Authority from God. You wouldnt want to spend your whole life in a religion just to die and find out that God dont recognize it. So, your best off staying a non believer. By the way, I would like you to explain something, without using the word SALT, describe for me HOW salt tastes. And you want me to prove to you that there is a God?
For an ever so brief moment attempt to put yourself in God's place. Which would be your chosen ones? Those who put their faith in you requiring nothing ahead of time or those who deny you and spit in your face daring you to prove yourself to them as if you owed them something.

God's ONLY manifestation or evidence to an unsaved person is during the moment of, the point of conviction by the Holy Spirit. At that time only can and will an unsaved person be able to experience the prescience of God, if they are fortunate enough to have that experience. A person makes a decision in a moment of time based upon that conviction and at the time of a persons conversion, accepting Christ, they are given, by God, the Holy Spirit and at that point no proof is needed anymore for the proof is within the believer.
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Originally posted by JimiHendrix:
I would really like to see some evidence for the existence of God. I am not looking for what you "feel" or "believe" but some real evidence. I don't believe that there is any evidence. Someone please prove me wrong.


Okay your question is also very valid for anyone that doesn't believe. You are asking for physical proof of a Spiritual entity. Let me, just as sincerely ask you.

Prove to me by evidence, not how you feel or believe, that you have dreams and what those dreams are about? Prove and demonstrate Love, fear, happiness. Prove by evidence that you have memories within your brain. You may make statements of fact about things you personally experience but that isn't proof to another person.

I, nor anyone else, can reveal God unto you sufficient enough for your doubts to be overcome. God however can do that very thing Himself and I fully believe will to those who seek Him. So off here, alone somewhere, away from anyone else pick your time and seek out God and I fully believe one day one time when you least expect it God will reveal Himself to you or anyone that ask sincerely of Him to. After that the decision of what to do with what you are presented is yours to make.
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Originally posted by gbrk:
For an ever so brief moment attempt to put yourself in God's place. Which would be your chosen ones? Those who put their faith in you requiring nothing ahead of time or those who deny you and spit in your face daring you to prove yourself to them as if you owed them something.

God's ONLY manifestation or evidence to an unsaved person is during the moment of, the point of conviction by the Holy Spirit. At that time only can and will an unsaved person be able to experience the prescience of God, if they are fortunate enough to have that experience. A person makes a decision in a moment of time based upon that conviction and at the time of a persons conversion, accepting Christ, they are given, by God, the Holy Spirit and at that point no proof is needed anymore for the proof is within the believer.


LIKE!!
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Sez Loki: just power hungry people seeking something to use to control the minds and will of others. Those gullible enough to believe are just puppets to those who know better, but use religion to support their agenda. It's the greatest scam ever invented.


This "line" has been used to death. Those who believe this are the gullible ones.
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Originally posted by Loki:
Who told you "he" made that? The bible? Who wrote the bible? That would be man.

There is no evidence, never has been, just power hungry people seeking something to use to control the minds and will of others. Those gullible enough to believe are just puppets to those who know better, but use religion to support their agenda. It's the greatest scam ever invented. I will give it that.

If a god is responsible for our creation, I would be grateful, but he left no evidence that supports that claim. Their have been thousands of theologies, and many of them before Christianity. How can anyone be so shallow as to look upon one religion and claim it is the only right one? Most people believe out of fear of death and no afterlife. Many believe because it comforts them to think there is someone watching over them that has magical abilities to heal and help them through trying times in their life. Many believe because of the fear of eternal ****ation. Many believe because their parents told them so. Whatever the reason to believe, doesn't make it true. I'm not telling you that you don't have the right to believe what you want. I want to believe aliens landed in Roswell in 47, but I have no evidence to support that claim, so I cannot justifiably say that it's true.
Wul loki, whom do you say created all this stuff? Huh?
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And God wants us to love Him through FAITH, not through evidence.


Faith is the permission we give ourselves to indulge in irrational wishful thinking. It's dishonest and without merit.

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All those on earth, above and below the earth will confess that Jesus is Lord, and every knee will bend at the name of Jesus.
This is obviously untrue. Millions of Muslims died today without bending the knee at Jesus.

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The FOOL hath said "THERE IS NO GOD".


**The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.
Fireman, yours is particularly vapid. "Matthew 5:22 "Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire."

But, as so often happens, Vic lays out the wrongness of faith.
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Prove me wrong, and not with your childish one liners you trolls
Basic philosophical Fail, and an insult to finish it with.

Jimi's question stands. Show us some proof for god, or admit there is none. Proof is not simply what satisfies yourself, but what any reasonable person must accept. Atheism does not equal unreasonableness, quite the opposite.

So, let's all regroup and try again.

Show us some proof of the gods. Something we cannot refute. Like proof of gravity, or tides, or chemistry.

We're waiting. We have open minds. Now is the time.


nsns
The thing is, I can give testimony, as can any other Christian, about how God has worked in our lives.
The key is to remember that FAITH is, by very definition, belief without evidence.
Our Lord said "Blessed is He who has not seen, yet believes".

It's up to each of us to open our hearts to the love of God. Nobody can do that for us. But if we constantly turn away, and deny Him, how can we expect that to happen?

It's a matter of keeping an open mind, an open heart. The possibility that there is "something" so much bigger than us. Something that is a mystery, and not meant for us to fully understand.

We always grow in Faith- it never stops. But we can't "test" God, or ask for signs, etc. when our hearts and minds are steel traps. Smiler
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The thing is, I can give testimony, as can any other Christian, about how God has worked in our lives.

What you say is god working in your life "happens" to others all the time. Atheists have just as many good things that happen in their lives as christians. Atheists get those "unexplainable" cures, they have problems solved, all sorts of good things. And still you have awful things that happen to good people, and wonderful things that happen to bad people.

I don't get the "turn away from him/deny him thing". Bill is big on saying a person chooses to believe or not, and loves to use his favorite "an atheist never believed to begin with" argument. He'd have you believe converts just wake up one morning and decide to believe. I don't understand how anyone can say a person chooses whether or not they believe something.
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I don't understand how anyone can say a person chooses whether or not they believe something.


THAT is the hard part to explain. You can not change your mind on a fudamental belief just because you want to, or somebody tells you to, or you would be better of for it. You can say you've changed, you can walk the walk and talk the talk, but then you are just a hypocrite.
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Originally posted by gbrk:
For an ever so brief moment attempt to put yourself in God's place. Which would be your chosen ones? Those who put their faith in you requiring nothing ahead of time or those who deny you and spit in your face daring you to prove yourself to them as if you owed them something.

God's ONLY manifestation or evidence to an unsaved person is during the moment of, the point of conviction by the Holy Spirit. At that time only can and will an unsaved person be able to experience the prescience of God, if they are fortunate enough to have that experience. A person makes a decision in a moment of time based upon that conviction and at the time of a persons conversion, accepting Christ, they are given, by God, the Holy Spirit and at that point no proof is needed anymore for the proof is within the believer.
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Originally posted by gbrk:
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Originally posted by JimiHendrix:
I would really like to see some evidence for the existence of God. I am not looking for what you "feel" or "believe" but some real evidence. I don't believe that there is any evidence. Someone please prove me wrong.


Okay your question is also very valid for anyone that doesn't believe. You are asking for physical proof of a Spiritual entity. Let me, just as sincerely ask you.

Prove to me by evidence, not how you feel or believe, that you have dreams and what those dreams are about? Prove and demonstrate Love, fear, happiness. Prove by evidence that you have memories within your brain. You may make statements of fact about things you personally experience but that isn't proof to another person.

I, nor anyone else, can reveal God unto you sufficient enough for your doubts to be overcome. God however can do that very thing Himself and I fully believe will to those who seek Him. So off here, alone somewhere, away from anyone else pick your time and seek out God and I fully believe one day one time when you least expect it God will reveal Himself to you or anyone that ask sincerely of Him to. After that the decision of what to do with what you are presented is yours to make.
Read Gbrk's posts again. They are the two most truthful things I have ever read on this forum. They are beautifully written, and they reveal the beautiful truth.

Gbrk, I thank you so much for these two posts. They say all that needs to be said. May God bless you richly for allowing Him to use your voice!
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Read Gbrk's posts again. They are the two most truthful things I have ever read on this forum. They are beautifully written, and they reveal the beautiful truth.

Gbrk, I thank you so much for these two posts. They say all that needs to be said. May God bless you richly for allowing Him to use your voice!


I echo that. Smiler
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Originally posted by buffalo:
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Originally posted by JimiHendrix:
I would really like to see some evidence for the existence of God. I am not looking for what you "feel" or "believe" but some real evidence. I don't believe that there is any evidence. Someone please prove me wrong.
stick your head out the door ******* and seE what he has made for you.


I stuck my head out the door the other night and saw about 150 tornadoes running across 15 states. They are still adding up the damage and counting the bodies. It is easy to see the beauty around us, and ignore the horrible. You can't blame God for any of it.
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Originally posted by JimiHendrix:
Still waiting for something other than delusional babbling. Why do people believe in something for which there is zero evidence? Very, very strange.


Know why? I think I do.

Most people can't deal very well with the fact that life is quick, time is short and dead is dead.

Hence all the stories of angels and streets paved with gold and such stuff.

Maybe for a lotta folks-life'd be kinda pointless if it just ended like I believe it does.

Personally I live every day as hard as I can -cuz tomorrow might not come.
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Originally posted by JimiHendrix:
Still waiting for something other than delusional babbling. Why do people believe in something for which there is zero evidence? Very, very strange.


Jimi, we have TOLD you why we believe without evidence. I told you there will NEVER be "evidence" because God wants our love through faith and not through evidence. And Gbrk wrote some beautiful posts on the subject.

Can you give me evidence for love? No, you can't, because there IS no evidence for love. So I guess love doesn't exist either, and if you've ever loved someone YOU must be delusional.

So, we have answered your question. You may not like the answer, but we HAVE answered it, and although we know we haven't changed your mind, please rest assured that you will never change ours either.
Love could be a universal experience, except among the very rare emotionally damaged, and therefor needs no proof. Such as the sensation of heat. No one needs to prove to you that a stovetop is painful.

Yet, both love and sensory perception can be demonstrated in psychology labs. Shall I bore you with examples?

the question of the gods is something extraordinarily different. It's not a yes/no, on/off, zero/one question. It's a question of why god takes on the properties of the particular tribes that created and worship him. Or, perhaps, why certain tribes who accept a god axiomatically try to conform those tribes to a perceived conception of that god.

the answer is easy. People made the gods. Always did, always will. For that, there is evidence. Just look around.

"god is good". Of course he is, any reflection on a tribe should be flattering. It gets rather comical, however tragically, when the good gods kill hundreds of thousands in natural disasters, kill children with polio and cancer, and the missionaries of god actually tell poor Africans that condoms cause AIDS.

Well over 2000 years ago, Epicurus asked "If god is omnipotent, why doesn't he preclude evil? If he can, and does not, what shall we think of him? Either god is not omnipotent or he is evil, and he is not worthy of worship as a result." It hasn't been better said since, and all the fluff that pretends to reject dear Epicurus is indefensible.

You realize, of course, that I can reject a premise on no evidence whatever when it is proffered on no evidence whatever. Such is god.


nsns
First of all thank you (O & V) for your kind words about my post. It's often difficult for believers who God has blessed with His Holy Spirit to relate to unbelievers that which is undeniable within them, the Power of God that can bring and change a person from the inside and immediately. When a person refuses to consider or allow the possibility of a Spiritual realm apart from the Physical, which is there for us to see and touch, then it becomes an impossibility to convey to that person the magnitude of what we experience in Christ. They are looking for black and white two dimensional facts and evidence and want to restrict everything to just that.

This is how you come up with theories such as the "Big Bang" or Evolution. When you discount a dimension apart from the Physical that is before our eyes then you have to come up with ways that a human can understand to explain that which at times is unexplainable. Jimi can no more convince people he has dreams or what they are so, as you have said, they must not exist since you cannot physically prove them.

Non-believers are very similar, in their approach to things, as those that once believed that the world was flat. They base their decisions only on that which they can touch or see and cannot envision that maybe, just maybe, there is a realm or world apart from what they can personally touch and feel. You can only share that which you personally can attest to and leave it at that. If they blindly go, so sure they are right, denying God's existence and not caring to seek for God then they assume upon themselves the weight and results of that decision and they can live happy knowing they are right.

We can pray for our friends, loved ones and ourselves and be willing to share that which we have been blessed with and in doing that we fulfill our responsibilities for the blessings we have been given. Hopefully one day those that do not know God will have opportunity to meet God and only then will they become Spiritually enlightened. Until then they will always remain in a two dimensional reality.
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Love could be a universal experience, except among the very rare emotionally damaged, and therefor needs no proof. Such as the sensation of heat. No one needs to prove to you that a stovetop is painful.


Love is an emotion that we can experience. Dreams or thoughts or memories within the brain/mind likewise are things we cannot touch or feel yet exist. You say God is way different yet that is not so. The soul/spirit within a man/woman is also something that is debated and argued as to if it even exist but I believe it does and is one thing that is significant about being human and sets us apart from all other life/creation. The flesh is a physical entity where the soul/spirit is a spiritual entity and each will go to it's own realm upon death. Can I prove it? No however it cannot be disproved either.

You say (most) everyone has love, experiences love and other emotions and senses and yet no proof is necessary. Well millions of believers also relate a very common thing among them, that being the sense of God's presence in the Holy Spirit that is within and dwells within their physical bodies along with their soul/spirits. The difference is not everyone has that experience as not everyone is blessed by God with that because no everyone has exercised their faith and belief in Christ.

No I can't prove it, it can't be disproven but to totally discount it because you don't feel it or haven't experienced it yourself is well like those who knew the world was flat.
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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
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Originally posted by buffalo:
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Originally posted by JimiHendrix:
I would really like to see some evidence for the existence of God. I am not looking for what you "feel" or "believe" but some real evidence. I don't believe that there is any evidence. Someone please prove me wrong.
stick your head out the door ******* and seE what he has made for you.


I stuck my head out the door the other night and saw about 150 tornadoes running across 15 states. They are still adding up the damage and counting the bodies. It is easy to see the beauty around us, and ignore the horrible. You can't blame God for any of it.
Crust, it’s evident you don’t want God in on the caper so tell us where the universe came from and be careful what you say cause I’m gonna ask for proof and you read it somewhere or I heard it somewhere or all scientist agree so and so. Not good enough I want to see the demonstrated proof.
And be warned if you claim some mathematical model you better bring out the blackboard.

I’ve studied under all of the leading scientist and the background radiation model which all hats are hung upon is not homogonous or homogeneous and if it was it doesn’t provide any proof other than God knew what he was doing.

Jefferson hendrex is affected to pose such a dumb question. Get his number crust, call him and talk him down.
And crust darling, just so you don’t waste our time on here with any argument; be advised it takes about sixty hours of relentless lecture to explain any of the leading scientific theories. Sixty hours crust and that doesn’t include discussion. Sixty hours crust sixty hours. The math itself will separate all but a tiny fraction from a clue as to the truth of the matter. That tiny fraction then has to rely on several admitted assumptions so you amateur reckoners are at a decided disadvantage and don’t need to be on here posing as neck-beard apologists.

Always remember, the buffalo can spot BS at an incredible distance.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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The thing is, I can give testimony, as can any other Christian, about how God has worked in our lives.

What you say is god working in your life "happens" to others all the time. Atheists have just as many good things that happen in their lives as christians. Atheists get those "unexplainable" cures, they have problems solved, all sorts of good things. And still you have awful things that happen to good people, and wonderful things that happen to bad people.

I don't get the "turn away from him/deny him thing". Bill is big on saying a person chooses to believe or not, and loves to use his favorite "an atheist never believed to begin with" argument. He'd have you believe converts just wake up one morning and decide to believe. I don't understand how anyone can say a person chooses whether or not they believe something.


Matt 5:44 but I say unto you, love your enemies, and pray for them that persecute you;
Matt 5:45 that ye may be sons of your Father who is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sendeth rain on the just and the unjust.

Verse 5:45 points out clearly that everyone on Earth will be treated alike.
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and Jimihendrix God created the Sun at the beginning of the Earth, and you can believe ever how long you want to about the age of the Earth, what I would want of you O Enlightened One, is why after all the Millions or Billions of years you want to think that the age of the Earth is, why has the Sun not burned out? you know anything burns out after awhile. all the Fuel gone.

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