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Hi to my TimesDaily Forum Friends,

Albert Camus, a French-Algerian author and philosopher who won the Nobel prize in 1957, wrote in one of his books, "I do not believe in God and I am not an atheist."

Yet, this same man also said, “I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't -- than live my life as if there isn't (a God) and die to find out there is.”

His first statement reminds me of one who would day, "I am not alive -- but, I am not dead!'

Your first reaction to this statement has to be, "There are only two states of being: alive and dead. How could a person be neither?"

This line of thought began today because a Friend sent me an e-mail which contained this quote, “I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't -- than live my life as if there isn't (a God) and die to find out there is” -- and she attributed it to Pastor T. D. Jakes. This made me curious, so I went looking for where the quote really originated. Not that I doubted that Jakes said it, but was he the first?

To my surprise, I found that this quote originated with Albert Camus, author, philosopher, Nobel prize winner, a man many often associated with existentialism. Wikipedia says of Existentialism: "A philosophical movement which posits that individuals create the meaning and essence of their lives, as opposed to deities or authorities creating it for them. It generally postulates that the absence of a transcendent force (such as God) means that the individual is entirely free, and, therefore, ultimately responsible. It is up to humans to create an ethos of personal responsibility outside any branded belief system."

Yet, existentialism, which correlates very well with atheism, is a belief system. So, basically, the existentialist/atheist is really saying, "I do not believe in your belief system; for I already have my own belief system."

So, Camus' first statement, "I do not believe in God and I am not an atheist" -- does not surprise me; for I see in this statement a very confused man, a man who does not really know what he believes; for he is saying: Neither God, nor atheism. Sorry, but the only middle ground between these two is the agnostic -- one who is sitting on a fence asking, "Which way should I fall? Maybe I will wait for the next big breeze and possibly that will show me."

For when you find a person who says, “I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't -- than live my life as if there isn't (a God) and die to find out there is” -- and then have that same person say, "I do not believe in God. . ." -- that is the height of contradiction.

This is analogous to a person who will say, "I know, without a doubt, that this medicine will heal my child -- but, I don't believe it will help him." Hey, buddy, if it will heal him -- that will be a great help.

I just thought I would ask my Forum Friends, what would you think if you heard a person say, "I do not believe in God and I am not an atheist"?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill Gray
billdory@pacbell.net

Alabama bred,
California fed,
Blessed by God to be a Christian American!
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Hi Clark,

Sorry, but you must go back and read the entire post -- and not just cherry pick. Camus spoke of God, the Christian God, in both his quotations:

"I do not believe in God and I am not an atheist."

“I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't -- than live my life as if there isn't (a God) and die to find out there is.”

It is very obvious he is speaking of the God of the Bible in both instances.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill
Hi Mr. Hoob,

That is my thought also. I see him as closet agnostic who wants to be really seen as an atheist -- but, without the luggage or the label.

Anyone who still hangs on to the feeling that, "I better be good, just in case" -- cannot in any way say he does not believe that God exists.

On this Forum we have a died in the wool atheist who totally denies and scoffs at God -- and we have another who, while the lights are on, will do the same. But, when the lights are off, is quietly asking, "God, are you still there -- just in case?"

We just have to pray for both -- for God has done much greater miracles -- and He is still in the miracle business.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill
Bill not knowing for sure what Albert means I would hazard a guess he is referring to a principle that was around at that time.

It is called the “Superposition Principle” a theory used in quantum mechanics and used to describe models of thought.

One such model was the yucky or tasty mouse.

“A” being the yucky “state and “B” being the “tasty” mouse.

When the cat, tastes the mouse in any “state” between A or B, the infinite numbers of states are in “Superposition” the mouse is yucky in states to a point between A,B then tasty in the rest of the states.

Only the cat knows.

Albert’s “state” is in superposition between God and no God.

Only Albert knows the properties of his state within the boundaries of what is known as the ‘Uncertainty Principle” . While he may measure the properties of “no God” in his mind he cannot measure the properties of being an atheist at the same time to any state of exactness because the act of observation of one state the properties of the other is changing.

A set of questions you could ask Albert “do you believe in God?” answer “No”

“Are you an Atheist?” answer “No”

The questions are not consistent with one another and preclude asking another question and are not decoherent meaning a definite answer to one is a superposition of a definite answer to another.

He could be mixed up. I doubt it………. He is a shrewd thinker playing a game.
Hi Rramlimnn,

That could be true -- if not for his second quote: “I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't -- than live my life as if there isn't (a God) and die to find out there is.”

This implies that he does have some level of belief that there is a God -- or at least, he is not positive that there is no God. So, when he writes in his book "I do not believe in God. . ." -- he is not being honest.

He hedges his bet -- showing himself to be most likely an agnostic.

But, what I found most interesting in this man is (1) he paints himself as an atheist, i.e., "I do not believe in God. . ." -- but, then paints a different picture (2) ". . . and, I am not an atheist." Possibly he is schizophrenic. Either way, he is an interesting study.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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