I have questions for Bill - #2 the question

It's amazing to me that anyone would care what this idiot thinks.

Some days are just so much better than others!   It is such a blessing when I can get the attention of the "atheist/agnostic/secular/liberal" group and have them all together.  

When I upset this motley gang, then I KNOW I must be doing something right!   Praise the Lord!

Thank you, my Friends!  For you give me the encouragement I sometimes need to keep writing.  You really do make my day!

Bless your little old hearts!

Bill

It's a cabal!!!!!

It's a cabal!!!!!

as the "bill declared anti-christ"... and cabal member...  i declare a bump!

LOL!!!!  Bill posted a 30 paragraph response, but failed to answer the actual question.

So, here is the question, Bill.  

Leviticus and the other Mosaic books set out numerous laws that readers of the Bible are to follow.  You claim that these laws have been superseded and no longer apply to Christians.  You claim that Jesus has now "fulfilled" the laws and that that means they no longer apply (with one notable exception which is irrelevant here, so don't go off on it). 

I question your interpretation of Matthew 5:17-18.

¹⁷ “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. ¹⁸ For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Heaven and earth have not disappeared, so a literal reading of the Bible says that the laws are still in effect.  A thirty paragraph dissertation of twisted logic will not explain away this simple statement by Jesus.  He makes this statement to a mass of people, simple people, most who probably couldn't even read or write. 

You will try to point to some of Paul's writings, but let's face it, Jesus trumps Paul; and introducing conflicting verses while trying to say they don't conflict is just bad logic.

The next thing you are going to say is that Jesus "accomplished" everything when he was crucified and said "it is done".  But as you have already stated, Jesus continues to work here on earth and in heaven, so he and his work continue, all is not accomplished.

Now, just for fun, let's say that Paul does trump Jesus in your mind: 

Paul himself believed in keeping the Law:

Acts 24:14 (NKJV) "But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the Elohim of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets.

Acts 25:8 (NKJV) while he answered for himself, "Neither against the Law of the Jews, nor against the temple, nor against Caesar have I offended in anything at all."

 

Acts 18:21 (NKJV) but took leave of them, saying, "I must by all means keep this coming feast in Jerusalem; but I will return again to you, Yahweh willing." And he sailed from Ephesus.

 

Romans 7:25 (NKJV) I thank Yahweh--through Yahushua the Messiah our Master! So then, with the mind I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, but with the flesh the Law of sin.

 

Romans 7:12 (NKJV) Thereforethe Law [is] holy, and the commandment holy and just and good

So, the question is, if the Bible is to be taken literally, shouldn't you be following the Mosaic laws, just as Jesus tells us we should?  Or was Jesus wrong?

Will you ever answer the question, or are you just going to spit and drool all over the place?

An arrogant, egotistical blowhard with a god complex? There's certainly nothing "christian" about his actions that's for sure. 

No surprises here. 

Seven, my Friend,

Actually, I have begun answering Crusty's questions.   However, since Crusty rambles around so much -- I had to break his incoherent thoughts down into coherent, manageable questions.   The first was about where God is right now -- and is He actively working in our world today? 

The answer is YES and I explain that in my discussion titled "God Is Both Transcendent And Immanent" -- meaning that God is "out of this world" (transcendent) and He is "in this world" (immanent) at the same time.   The following is an except from that writing:

God Is Both Transcendent And Immanent
https://www.tnvalleytalks.com/t...cendent-and-immanent

Hi to all my Forum  Friends,

In a TimesDaily Religion Forum discussion titled "I have Questions For Bill - #2 The Question" -- a Forum Friend who tells me he is a believer, but does not trust the Bible, nor most Christians, and has not been in a church service for so long that he would be looking for the ticket window -- has posed questions to me. 

However, because his comments and questions tend to ramble, I will attempt to collect and divide his thoughts into coherent groups so that I might answer him more fully.   For clarity, this response to his comments/questions is the first of a three part response which I will space out over a short period of time.

First, he offers, "I've been ready to ask my second question of Bill in his attempt to 'tutor' me for quite a while now.   Bill finally, after much dancing around the issue,confirmed that he believes that Jesus and God continues to work here on earth and in heaven.   For some reason he equates 'working' with the passive states of omnipresence, omnipotence, and omniscience.  But, whatever." 

To get started, let me ask:  "What makes you think that God's attributes of omnipresence, omnipotence, and omniscience are passive?"

Personally I see God very active in all His creation.  There is nothing "passive" about our God, nor any of His attributes.  God is always all powerful (omnipotent), all knowing (omniscient), all places present (omnipresent) -- and YOU should be very happy that, in His grace, He is also always merciful.

That was question one.  Question two has to do with how the Old Testament and the New Testament relate to one another. 

And, the third question is related to Crusty's total lack of understanding of who Jesus Christ is and what He has done for us.   To emphasize his total lack of Biblical knowledge, Crusty declares:

The next thing you are going to say is that Jesus "accomplished" everything when he was crucified and said "it is done."  But as you have already stated, Jesus continues to work here on earth and in heaven, so (since) he and his work continue, all is not accomplished.

Not to worry.  I will answer Crusty's questions.  However, since I do not want throw his already overtaxed mind into overload -- I am spacing out my answers.  I am sure you can understand.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

I only had one question.  No rambling involved.  The rest is just you blowing hot air.  So far, no answer to the question.  But honestly, I don't care anymore.  I don't care about your latest gay rant or anything else that you might say.  I don't care, the same way I don't care about Joel Olsteen, or Pat Robertson, or Oral Roberts or any other ridiculous fundy. 

Here's your Kleenex.

You guys must live for this stuff because you are here every day, year in and year out arguing with Brother Bill.  How's that working out for ya? 

Well the guy IS total troll bait. Repeatedly. Over and over again.

Why waste a good free target?

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It can be kinda fun twisting his tail.  Though I have to admit, I'm worried I'm poking fun at a mental retard, which wouldn't be nice.

I realize that in your rambling, confused thinking, you might not realize that you had posed three questions -- but you did.

1.  Your first question basically was:  Is God active both on earth and in heaven?  Your contention being that since God is in heaven -- He cannot be working on earth at the same time.  This question merely showed that you have no concept of God's attributes:  omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence, transcendence, immanence, etc.

2.  Your second question, though not well worded was:

Leviticus and the other Mosaic books set out numerous laws that readers of the Bible are to follow.  You claim that these laws have been superseded and no longer apply to Christians.  You claim that Jesus has now 'fulfilled' the laws and that means they no longer apply (with one notable exception which is irrelevant here, so don't go off on it).

This comment/question merely shows that you have no concept of God's Law and God's Grace.

3.  And, your third question, again not well worded, was:

The next thing you are going to say is that Jesus "accomplished" everything when he was crucified and said "it is done."  But as you have already stated, Jesus continues to work here on earth and in heaven, so (since) he and his work continue, all is not accomplished.

This comment/question shows that you have no concept of why Jesus Christ came to earth as the Incarnate God -- nor what He accomplished on the cross.

I have fully answered your first question.   And, although I have other things to write -- I will get around to your other questions in time.  Just be patient.  Good things come to all who will wait.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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