I have questions for Bill - #2 the question

crust, the COC can give you the correct answer go here: http://apologeticspress.com/APContent.aspx?category=13&article=2341

Thanks QD, but I'm already comfortable in my interpretation of the Bible and am confident in my understanding of the answer to the question.  All that is happening here is showing Johhny that he is a hypocrite practicing a failed theology based on gross misinterpretations of the Bible.

Where is billie? Is this funeral day? Is this when they put Pezzotta on a boat

and set it on fire?

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

This is what we have so far:

4. If someone willfully disobeys the Bible, then they were never Christians, and still aren't.

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Good grief, ole Billy just nailed himself with #4.

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Yes, he has Chick.  He admitted that he willfully disobeys Christ's teaching concerning prayer.  I find that the louder they yell, the less Christian they really are - fundamentalist wacko nut jobs.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

This is what we have so far:

4. If someone willfully disobeys the Bible, then they were never Christians, and still aren't.

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Good grief, ole Billy just nailed himself with #4.

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Yes, he has Chick.  He admitted that he willfully disobeys Christ's teaching concerning prayer.  I find that the louder they yell, the less Christian they really are - fundamentalist wacko nut jobs.

Well I've been reading this Billieology for a good while now and I'm forced

to ask just how does billie the peeper define Christian..??

You have to be a "conservative Christian" (aka a fundamentalist) that believes the Bible is on an equal or higher level with the Holy Trinity, and have a relationship with said Bible that most other Christians find with God. 

To put it simply, you have to subscribe to the doctrine of Jesus Loves Me, But Hates Your Guts. 

Bigotry, narrow mindedness, and a capacity for self delusion are almost required.

Or in the words of one of their homosexual hating preachers, The Bible is agin it, God is agin it, and I am agin it; "it" being whatever their little, shriveled, black, hearts and minds are against at the moment.

I've got a thimble I keep handy just in case I ever need it... I started filling it with intelligent, non-boastful things the resident troll spits out... It is now just a quarter full... That's about right; it matches his itty bitty, bigoted brain...

Now watch, he'll accuse me of stupidity and childishness ... Traits that he finds in his mirror...

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Two words..............Bill Gray!

YOU ALMOST HAD IT!   Yes, two words.   But, those two words are "CHRIST FOLLOWER!"

My Friend, with all my heart I sincerely pray that you and Vic do become Christ Followers while there is still time.  For, once you breathe that last breath in this mortal body -- there will be NO second chance.  At that point, YOU have chosen for yourself, to live eternally void of the presence of God, and that will be hell!

Come on, give God a chance!  What do you have to lose -- except a miserable eternity?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Now that we know you're still here, how about answering Crusty's question?

Smokey, my Friend,

Patience, my Friend!  Haven't you ever heard the old say, "Good things come to those who wait"?

Bless your impatient little heart!

Bill

Just another way of saying "30 paragraphs of twisted logic and fallacious arguments to come".

get ready... i'm sure another topic is coming.. complete with bill's deflection from the question.

Oh, and Bill, if you want to misrepresent me over on your Facebook page again, I will come over there and shame you, just as I did before.

Please believe me, having you as a Facebook Friend does not cause me any shame.   I am proud to let folks know we are Friends.  

And, if your Verbal Diarrhea does, at times, make folks smile -- I am sure they understand that I do not discriminate against those who are intelligence challenged.

Always happy to hear from you.

Bless your challenged little heart!

Bill

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People with NPD can't be shamed. They don't have thoughts & feelings like normal people do. Bill can't comprehend how ignorant/stupid he looks/sounds to others. He's mentally unable to see the destructive damage he's causing to himself. 

Bill will shut up when I point out his hypocrisies over on his Facebook page.  He is afraid of losing the 3 people that will actually respond to him over there.

Yeah Billie's funny that way, but then Billie's funny in a lot of ways.

Sooooooooooo, was there ever an answer?

Bill can't answer this question without admitting to the hypocrisy of his failed theological position. Though he might try 30 paragraphs of smoke and mirrors and hope that everyone is as bored to death as usual and won't call him on his fallacies.

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i believe he's afraid of you. 

he's stalling.. hoping crusty forgets, i guess.

Bill was hoping this would go away.  This particular thread is 2 weeks old.  I guess his priorities include watching "Say Yes to the Dress", attending the local drag queen show, long walks in the park, pushing the women and children out of the pot-luck line at church, and trying to get people fired.

And he calls me a coward.  LOL!!!!!!

Bless his heart!!!!

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Bill is afraid of facing the fact that his theology is a failed one, and his eternal seat will be scalding.  I just point these things out.

SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT!

and now it comes to the truth.. bill thinks himself a 'martyr'.  i told you people he thought he was god.

The beauty of being a Christian believer -- is that our Lord Jesus Christ protects all of us, not just Bill Gray.  He IS our protection -- for He IS our Lord.

That alone should make non-believers such as you eager to become children of God.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

That alone should make non-believers such as you eager to become children of God.

Crash, why would anyone be eager to be like billie..??

Why would a believer think God would miss anything.

God doesn't promise anyone Heaven until they achieve Heaven.

To say God protect me, doesn't give you a life without some bumps in

the road even if you do whine like the lying coward you are.

If the Old Testament was built on that type of person, I'm sure the new

Testament would've been cancelled.  

what part of the way bill acts would make anyone want to be associated with 'christians'?  if all christians are like bill, condescending arrogant egotistical maniacs, who in their right mind would want to be one of them? why is that so darn hard for bill to understand.. he drives more people to atheism than he will ever 'win' for christianity.

If he would've been the only example I had, I would've been a purple spider

myself.

Vic, my Friend,

Without realizing it, while you wander in your clouded Roman Catholic trance -- you have actually raised several good questions.  You tell Crash, "Why would a believer think God would miss anything.  God doesn't promise anyone Heaven until they achieve Heaven.  To say God protect me, doesn't give you a life without some bumps in the road even if you do whine like the lying coward you are.   If the Old Testament was built on that type of person, I'm sure the new Testament would've been cancelled."

So, let's break down this rant.

First, you ask, "Why would a believer think God would miss anything?"

Without knowing it, you have just shared about the omniscience of God, His attribute which tells us that He is "all knowing."   Nothing escapes His knowing, not even the sparrow which falls (Matthew 10:29).  He even knows every single hair on your head before your went bald (Luke 12:7).

Then, you expose us to your liberal "works based salvation" Roman Catholic teaching, "God doesn't promise anyone Heaven until they achieve Heaven."

In that statement, you are telling us that a person MUST WORK his way into heaven.   Yet, God tells us:

Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast."

Who is right -- the Vatican or God?

Then, you correctly tell Crash, "To say God protects me, doesn't give you a life without some bumps in the road. . ."

That is an absolute truth.  God does not promise us a life without problems.  But, He DOES promise all believers an eternity of joy and happiness in His presence.

Then you close with this really inane declaration, "If the Old Testament was built on that type of person, I'm sure the new Testament would've been cancelled."

Maybe in the Vatican, man can cancel the Bible (at least in those men's limited knowledge of God) -- but, in God's world, ONLY God could give us the Old and New Testaments -- and ONLY God can add or take away from it.

But, then, why would God change His Written Word -- when it is already His perfect and full revelation to man?   God does not change (Malachi 3:6); that is His attribute of Immutability.

2 Timothy 3:16-17, "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work (works which follow salvation, not works which give salvation)."

Well, my Friend, being right in 1 out of 4 statements is not bad -- for someone who places the Bible on a level of authority below the Vatican and all Vatican writings, traditions, and rituals.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Bill, you are like a guy who owns a map and never goes anywhere.  Sure you have a guide to get to where you want to go, you know exactly what route you can take to get there, and you can show others what you believe to be the best route on the map.  But none of that does you any good, because you never take the trip, you never reach a destination.  You worship the map, you claim that the map answers all the questions about how to get where you are going, it is your travel god. 

To spell it out, Bill, because I know how awful you are with analogies, the map is the Bible, and in your hands it is wasted.  You can tell us all about the Bible, but while you have the guide to God in your hands, you've never actually established a relationship with God.  The map alone isn't enough.  Blind faith in the map will take you often lead you astray.  Never actually using the map for it's purpose - to guide you to God - is a waste. 

Without making the journey, you can't see the problems that are inherent in the map itself.  If someone asks you which route is the best to get from Florence to Birmingham, you would look at the map and declare it is best to go to Athens, then take I-65.  But those of us who have actually made the journey know that the best way is to go AL-157 to Moultan, then we get onto I-65.  Some of us might find a route that suits our needs even better, others might be able to reach their destination without using a map.

You will argue all day long that the Bible tells you that the correct way is your way, and that the map is the only way that you can get to your destination.  In the end, you will never actually know, because you won't make the trip.  All you will ever have is the map, you will never experience the destination. 

Crusty, my Friend,

Au contraire, my Friend.  For the past 26 years I have been preparing for a trip which I KNOW I will take one day.   And, you are right, the Bible is my road map to glory!

John 14:1-3, "Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me.   In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.  If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also."

You see, I have His promise, in that Scripture passage above -- that He is going to Rapture me one day.  Either from the grave -- or from this mortal body if I am still alive when He comes from me.

And, I realize that folks like you possibly will see that disappearance of all believers, the Rapture, and let it be a wake up call.  But, even though you can still be saved during the Tribulation, it will be a "day late and a dollar short" as far as living in the Tribulation is concerned.

My Friend, if you were half as smart as you think you are -- you would be doing everything within your power to seek and find Jesus Christ -- right now.   But, most non-believers will have to learn the hard way.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

You are confusing the map with the destination.  Without taking the trip - establishing a real relationship with God - you will still be holding the map and wondering what you are missing out on. 

But on topic, why don't you just answer the question?

Crusty, my Friend,

Isn't the wait exciting?  Almost like waiting for a promised book to be published -- or a promised movie to be released.  Wow, just imagine your thrill when I do post my response to your rambling post.

Bless your rambling little heart!

Bill

i've never seen someone so much in denial. if we're to recognize a 'christian' by their actions.. what would one call bill?